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Clyde Radcliffe posted:1980s Belfast was grim but not that grim. Compared to a lot of US cities at the time you were statistically less likely to get shot in Belfast. I can believe that, but it was also Melanie Lynskey's whole bit with the sectarian violence, informing on your neighbours, is this really still about politics or has it also become petty grudge-driven stuff etc (It's also because a while ago I saw someone say that people talk about a new American civil war coming without realising that it won't be state vs state like the last one, it'll be more like the Troubles but with way more guns and car bombs, which has stuck in my head ever since)
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nate fisher posted:It is Melanie Lynskey and she has been around for almost 30 years now. Come on, you have seen Peter Jackson's Heavenly Creatures (she is the other girl, opposite Kate Winslet's)? She is great in Yellowjackets and season 1 of Castlerock. She has been in tons of other things, some I haven't seen (like 2 & Half Men and Coyote Ugly). I am not sure what to make of her character so far, but that is not because of the acting. They seem to be trying something different with this type of character and I am willing to wait until the next episode to judge. Dumpy? So you want a female that stepped out of a RE game? That dresses like she is going to a rave not the apocalypse? Come on. She was even in It's Always Sunny. Echoing that I don't Feel at Home in this World Anymore is really good.
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Justin Credible posted:I Don't Feel At Home In This World Anymore is really good too But I'm A Cheerleader as well, even if she was supporting cast. Way ahead of its time.
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Best episode so far. Gave me exactly what i wanted: A buddy roadtrip through the apocalypse with two amazing characters. More of this please! Best parts of the previous episode were also Joel & Ellie exclusive. The "environmental storytelling" (for lack of better words) with the mass grave and the secret caches engaged me more than the "emotional" flashback hour. They acknowledged the importance of strawberries, i guess. And kudos for making the obligatory gay scene between two old dudes instead of hot females.
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Justin Credible posted:I Don't Feel At Home In This World Anymore is really good too Rewatched it and the scene at 3:28 (HBOMax) sounds suspiciously like an empty casing compared to later on 34:10 which sounded like a live round Edit: this is just me over analyzing
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jisforjosh posted:Rewatched it and the scene at 3:28 (HBOMax) sounds suspiciously like an empty casing compared to later on 34:10 which sounded like a live round It's really quite important and I want a powerpoint presentation with pie-charts.
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jisforjosh posted:Rewatched it and the scene at 3:28 (HBOMax) sounds suspiciously like an empty casing compared to later on 34:10 which sounded like a live round It has a lighter sound because I'm guessing it's on tile or something vs the other surface, but I re-listened and I agree it does sound a bit light and tinny. it doesn't sound like it bounces around tho like an actually empty shell tends to the major issue though is her immediately picking it up, and this is literally 2 seconds after it hits the floor, she bends down, and examines what fell out of the gun and holds the bullet up before putting it back in the mag
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For a couple of seconds there, when they find the hiding room up in the attic, I thought Hank was a small child. The thought of them blaming all of their problems on a small child had me giggling. I'm thinking they locked a whole bunch of infected into the basement under that building where the floor is crumbling. I'm guessing there's something BIG trying to get out.
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jisforjosh posted:Rewatched it and the scene at 3:28 (HBOMax) sounds suspiciously like an empty casing compared to later on 34:10 which sounded like a live round I did a slow-mo analysis of the scene where Joel is shooting the rifle, and I'm pretty sure he was shooting a blank and only pretending there was recoil
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Red Rox posted:Dude I think you accidentally watched a gay porn by mistake The Lust of Us
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I appreciate how desperate the fight with the amateur raiders was. Even though they're a bunch of idiot teenagers (were any of them even alive during the outbreak?), Joel still had to take them seriously. It did a good job of reinforcing the setting baseline of everything outside Quarantine Zones being dangerous.freebooter posted:I can believe that, but it was also Melanie Lynskey's whole bit with the sectarian violence, informing on your neighbours, is this really still about politics or has it also become petty grudge-driven stuff etc It Could Happen Here (https://open.spotify.com/show/3KNdniw6YDpgDuwrhcpSXw) is an interesting look at how a new American Civil War could happen. It's by the Behind the Bastards guy so I imagine most goons would enjoy it.
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Snowy posted:The Lust of Us The Lust of rear end, surely?
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Sentinel Red posted:The Lust of rear end, surely? The Lust of Bussy
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Snowy posted:The Lust of Us The Shaft of Us
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Phylodox posted:The Lust of Bussy Fungussy
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Melanie Lynskey rules. Loved the disgust in her voice when the doctor tells her "this" all has to stop and her reaction is,"Oh NOW it has to stop? It was tolerable before but now that YOU are here, NOW it has to stop?"Phenotype posted:Yeah, the first Tales from the Borderlands was great. I played the sequel a few weeks ago, and it's not TERRIBLE, but it's definitely not as good as the first. Stars a new cast of characters, one of whom I found entirely unlikable, and it almost entirely ignores the first game. It was kind of a fun Borderlands adventure, but the plot kinda falls apart halfway through, and the actual ending was unsatisfying. It changes based on your choices, but not in a way that makes sense in-universe, like "I was mean to the guard and so he decided not to help me." Instead, one of my characters died at the end apparently because I was always mean to Octavio (who sucks). Note that Octavio had nothing to do with the death -- it was caused by a spaceship crash and even if I'd been super nice to him, he wouldn't have been able to do anything to prevent it. But it's a video game, so she just dies because the OctavioRelationship variable was too low. That is.... insane! But about par for the course based on the reception it got when it came out, I guess.
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It seems kind of short‐sighted to establish that a doctor doesn’t do you any good on this particular day, so you kill him. Maybe tomorrow you’ll have an injury that he could have treated.
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Platystemon posted:It seems kind of short‐sighted to establish that a doctor doesn’t do you any good on this particular day, so you kill him. This was why I was thinking at least one of the people in the squad, particularly the kid who panicked and cried out for his mom before Joel gak'd him, was related to her. Because her walking in and executing the doctor after being told a doctor could not save him makes sense from the perspective of someone processing rage and grief and pain all at the same time and just lashing out in the most instantly gratifying, emotionally-driven way possible.
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Platystemon posted:It seems kind of short‐sighted to establish that a doctor doesn’t do you any good on this particular day, so you kill him. I understand that there was a very bad situation, and her actions are a product of her trauma, and her community's trauma, but her not just extreme but self destructive actions make it hard to understand or identify with her. This show has built up enough goodwill with the last episode that I'm totally on board for seeing how this story resolves as we get more context, but it's going to have to do some work to make that warlord seem like a person and not a caricature.
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spankmeister posted:Pounded in the Butt by a Sentient Fungus Brings new meaning to the term "mushroom head."
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Brings new meaning to the term "mushroom head." no that meaning has always been there
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The situation becomes less believable the longer the group is supposed to have operated like this. A ton of postapocalyptic fiction has this problem. It could be that they recently entered a state of collapse, and Joel and Ellie stumbled upon them before the pieces hit the floor.
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Platystemon posted:It could be that they recently entered a state of collapse, and Joel and Ellie stumbled upon them before the pieces hit the floor. I got the impression that Kathleen and Co. have only been in power in KC for a couple weeks, tops, if they're still rounding up 'collaborators'.
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bou posted:obligatory gay scene 
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LLSix posted:I appreciate how desperate the fight with the amateur raiders was. Even though they're a bunch of idiot teenagers (were any of them even alive during the outbreak?), Joel still had to take them seriously. It did a good job of reinforcing the setting baseline of everything outside Quarantine Zones being dangerous. He also wrote a book called "After The Revolution", which follows 3-4 characters on their journey through a world that has been ravaged by an American civil war. Worryingly plausible, especially following on from It Could Happen Here. It's on e-book, audio book, and he reads out in chapters in a podcast.
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Red Rox posted:I'm thinking they locked a whole bunch of infected into the basement under that building where the floor is crumbling. I'm guessing there's something BIG trying to get out. I wonder if they're going to play on the fact that fungi can have huge networks underground, and have tendrils punching through all over the place. Like this real fungus that spans over 3 square miles: https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/fsbdev3_033146.pdf If anyone wants some additional fungus-centric science fiction fun I highly recommend VanderMeer's "City of Saints and Madmen".
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I got the sense that Melanie Lynskey's brother, the one beaten to death by FEDRA, was the leader of this uprising. After he died she inherited the role but doesn't really seem ready for it.
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Chamale posted:I got the sense that Melanie Lynskey's brother, the one beaten to death by FEDRA, was the leader of this uprising. After he died she inherited the role but doesn't really seem ready for it. Well, that much is clear from the "we need to kill this guy I hate whom we know is out of food before we deal with the VERY OBVIOUSLY ABOUT TO BE A BIG PROBLEM problem" scene. I do agree that there needs to be a scene explaining why everyone's following UltraKaren, though.
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Remy Marathe posted:I wonder if they're going to play on the fact that fungi can have huge networks underground, and have tendrils punching through all over the place. Like this real fungus that spans over 3 square miles: It's almost certainly this. Which makes stuff like this: Tiggum posted:It is just another zombie show. Changing "magic" to "an infectious agent functionally indistinguishable from magic" doesn't actually make any meaningful difference, and is certainly not a new idea in 2023. 28 Days Later, which I think probably kicked off the trend, came out in 2002. I feel like it would actually be more novel to have actually magical zombies at this point. Even more ridiculous. This is literally a thing that fungi do. Take over the brain of an animal and make it do what the fungus wants. Here's the famous example which was almost certainly the inspiration for the game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuKjBIBBAL8 If you say "well yeah with insects, not mammals" then first you seem to be suggesting we live in a static universe, not a dynamic evolving one, and second that's not even necessarily true either, and here's 15 minutes of science stuff that goes into it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM5jf-8ekVA Anyway I never played many games, but one I did play was Uncharted 2, and this is such a recognisably Naughty Dog show. It's gorgeous. And the little "game" references, like when Joel watches the 2 girls go down a ladder, are great. Felt like such a bridge between mediums. Also loved Ellie saying "your watch is broken." Saying it like a snooty teenager, but the point being she noticed, like his daughter. Was a nice way to establish a relationship dynamic. The first episode really felt like it crammed a whole season worth of action into 50 minutes. BIG HEADLINE posted:explaining why everyone's following UltraKaren, though. Post-apocalyptic Katie Porter.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:This is literally a thing that fungi do. Take over the brain of an animal and make it do what the fungus wants. You might actually want to watch that video. Direct quote: quote:All of this suggests that the fungus isn't using mind control to transport itself where it needs to go, but rather, muscle control, in a full body take-over. The ant's mind may, in fact, be completely unaffected. When they did imaging of an infected ant, they found fungus all over in its body except its brain, where there wasn't any at all. All of this "mind control zombie fungus" stuff is an incredibly overblown pop-science clickbait interpretation of what is actually happening. The fungus doesn't control the ant's brain. It's not doing anything more intelligent than what you see any fungus or plant or slime mold do when they grow towards areas of more ideal temperature or sunlight or nutrient content. It gets the ant to the area of ideal temperature & humidity, then sends out its spores. If a fungus like this got into a human, maybe it could make them walk and move into an area that is ideal for the fungus, like they do with ants, but there's no evidence to believe it'd be able to force people to exhibit the intelligent behaviors that'd be required to recognize humans and try to attack them. The fungus would have to interface with the human's sensory system, like our eyes and ears, then it would have to be able to recognize the difference between a human and a mannequin, etc etc etc. A cordyceps fungus could control a human's body, but it wouldn't be able to move it in any way that requires more intelligence than what a fungus has. I've got no problem just accepting this as the premise of a silly tv show, but it's no more science based than Resident Evil's t-virus is.
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There is the issue that cordyceps can't do that, and also the fact that this is a zombie apocalypse, and zombie apocalypses aren't real. They're loving magic.Elden Lord Godfrey posted:But all this is moot, because the zombie apocalypse is not real. It's loving magic. All life, human and otherwise, lives at the edge of caloric precarity. The average adult male requires 2500 calories per day to maintain their body weight. This caloric intake is sustained in modern society by extremely complex supply chains, including cold chains requiring refrigeration of goods en route from the farms where solar energy is fixed into starchy carbohydrates, until the moment it is consumed. A zombie is a human that has lost their mind, and is no longer either contributing to the maintenance of supply chains nor utilizing them, so all their muscle is going to get catabolized as they lie there not consuming calories. Same with the human survivors, they too need access to those supply chains, canned food is expensive. If you want zombies you may as well go full magic. Like give it another premise, like the First Flame is fading and the shackles that bind Humanity in its mortal form are weakening.
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Elden Lord Godfrey posted:There is the issue that cordyceps can't do that, and also the fact that this is a zombie apocalypse, and zombie apocalypses aren't real. They're loving magic. Yeah I agree. I was mostly just annoyed 'cause that video is clearly ripping off this article from The Atlantic https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/11/how-the-zombie-fungus-takes-over-ants-bodies-to-control-their-minds/545864/ which, I suppose, doesn't have anything to do with The Last of Us, but gently caress content farms
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The zombies are fungi, they get their energy from photosynthesis. Like that guy in MGS3.
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XboxPants posted:it could make them walk and move into an area that is ideal for the fungus Everything I'm talking about is an extension of that. Apologies for the "mind" misspeak, but controlling the body to do what the fungus wants is functionally the same thing. Extending that idea to controlling the actions of a human more precisely is one of, if not the, least implausible premisses for a show like this, is the point. The question is "what's in charge of the meat bag", and it's been shown that cordyceps can usurp the"brain" of the host in that role. You can leave the "mind" intact inside these cordycep-zombies if you like, but if the body is doing what the fungus tells it to, then we have the same situation. If you argue that we are yet to see the level of "interfacing with the sensory system" required for what we see in the show, sure, that's a suspension I'm not particularly un-comfortable with.
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Rabies is closer to zombiefication of mammals than cordyceps is, but it’s been done before, so the writers couldn’t feel clever in using it.Mantis42 posted:The zombies are fungi, they get their energy from photosynthesis. Like that guy in MGS3. This is bait.
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i was about to say that cordyceps isn't some super obscure thing because i remembered mind-controlling parasites being a big "epic nerd fact" in the late 2000s/early 2010s, but turns out i was thinking of the lancet liver fluke hijacking ants. apparently the last of us game was released in 2013, so i feel like it was probably informed by that whole online milieu regardless.
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That guy in MGS3 wasn’t very fun at all! Cordyceps zombies are cool because their designs are more interesting than than normal “a bloody person” zombies and it allows for fun new rules. It’s about as “scientific” as the necromorphs in Dead Space, but hey that’s also a fun new twist on zombie rules and aesthetics.
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