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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I want more, cheaper-looking TV Give me black box theatre with actors cold-reading direct from scripts as long as it's high-concept sci-fi.
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Brawnfire posted:Give me black box theatre with actors cold-reading direct from scripts as long as it's high-concept sci-fi.
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Feb 10, 2023 19:51
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Nessus posted:It would probably be very inexpensive (but potentially very niche) to film classic Trek episodes as stage plays with different actors. I think this has actually been done with a few Original Series episodes. I've kind of wanted to try something like that akin to Shakespeare in the Park. Do "Conscience of the King" for meta points.
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Feb 10, 2023 19:53
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Nessus posted:It would probably be very inexpensive (but potentially very niche) to film classic Trek episodes as stage plays with different actors. I think this has actually been done with a few Original Series episodes. More than a few episodes could work like that. Chain of Command, Frame of Mind (  ), In The Pale Moonlight, hell you could do the Omega Directive probably.
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Feb 10, 2023 19:53
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ANd all you mfs are gonna watch it anyway smh
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Feb 10, 2023 19:56
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Arivia posted:More than a few episodes could work like that. Chain of Command, Frame of Mind ( I'm imagining using spotlighting to reproduce the part where Quark and Nog are crawling through the vents and end up in Sisko's office.
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Feb 10, 2023 19:57
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zoux posted:ANd all you mfs are gonna watch it anyway smh I may watch it, but I shan't pay for it
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Feb 10, 2023 19:58
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Nessus posted:It would probably be very inexpensive (but potentially very niche) to film classic Trek episodes as stage plays with different actors. I think this has actually been done with a few Original Series episodes. Brawnfire posted:I've kind of wanted to try something like that akin to Shakespeare in the Park. Do "Conscience of the King" for meta points. There was a group in Portland that used to stage a different episode every summer. For free too. I don’t think they’re still active but it was really cool, they drew big crowds.
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Feb 10, 2023 20:03
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No Dignity posted:I may watch it, but I shan't pay for it Your time is not worthless my friend e: what's the bottle-est ST episode of all time
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Feb 10, 2023 20:06
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zoux posted:e: what's the bottle-est ST episode of all time Shades of Gray, since it's a literal clip show.
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Feb 10, 2023 20:09
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zoux posted:Your time is not worthless my friend I think the most correct answer is the alien observers episode in season 4 of Enterprise, which has 0 guest actors, 0 new sets, practically no special effects and is even a pretty good script that uses the entire main cast creatively to tell a good sci-fi story
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Feb 10, 2023 20:10
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As far as I'm concerned, Star Trek history ends at "What You Leave Behind, pt. 2", but I'm open to accepting LD into my personal canon with open arms because it mostly seems cool.
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Feb 10, 2023 20:10
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Most bottled episode I've seen in a while was an episode of TNG I just watched: Clues. Standard sets, standard cast, one new prop and one new SFX shot of some green energy hitting the shield. I'm a little torn on the episode count thing: filming ~24 45 minute episodes seems like a misrable state of existance. But 10 episodes just seems way too short. 20 maybe?
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Feb 10, 2023 20:13
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Doing "Shuttlepod One" as a two-character dialogue, theatre-in-the-round style
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Feb 10, 2023 20:17
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The most bottle episode is Ship in a Bottle because it has bottle in the title The second most bottle episode is the one where Geordi has a ship in a bottle The third most is the blooper where Worf says he never played with boys
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Feb 10, 2023 20:18
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The Mark of Gideon is up there for bottle shows also. Mostly filmed on an empty Enterprise with two actors (Kirk and his love interest) and one other set for the Gideon council room. Season 3 TOS, probably because of its shrinking budget, had a season-long problem with "tell, don't show".
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Feb 10, 2023 20:20
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Twincityhacker posted:I'm a little torn on the episode count thing: filming ~24 45 minute episodes seems like a misrable state of existance. But 10 episodes just seems way too short. 20 maybe? Seemed to be the sweet spot for Stargate. 20 episode seasons. 10 episodes with a mid-season cliff-hanger then after the holidays 10 more episodes that end in a season cliffhanger.
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Feb 10, 2023 20:26
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Twincityhacker posted:I'm a little torn on the episode count thing: filming ~24 45 minute episodes seems like a miserable state of existence. But 10 episodes just seems way too short. 20 maybe? 14-16 sounds about right. Enough episodes to have a few time out/fun episodes, while not enough to burn everyone out completely. If it's episodic just 10 like SNW seemed to work well. There was by my count two time out/fun episodes and eight "more serious" episodes. The more light hearted general tone also worked very much in it's favor with this of course.
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Feb 10, 2023 20:28
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Brawnfire posted:Give me black box theatre with actors cold-reading direct from scripts as long as it's high-concept sci-fi. Blake's Seven often has that old-school British sci-fi thing where half the time it feels like they're just shooting a play (and the other half they're running around a quarry) if you haven't seen it already (and depending on your tolerance for hammy 70s television)
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:(and depending on your tolerance for hammy 70s television) 
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Brawnfire posted:Doing "Shuttlepod One" as a two-character dialogue, theatre-in-the-round style Waiting for Dukat A reworking of Samuel Beckett's play, but with two Bajoran workers
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Feb 10, 2023 20:36
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happyhippy posted:Waiting for Dukat The play ends with Dukat actually arriving and executing the both of them.
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Feb 10, 2023 20:37
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nine-gear crow posted:The play ends with Dukat actually arriving and executing the both of them. Please, he'd hit on the woman and mercifully sentence the guy to ten years of extra-punishing slag hauling
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Timby posted:Shades of Gray, since it's a literal clip show. TECHINCALLY correct.
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Bajoran 1: Who? Bajoran 2: Er . . . Bajoran 1: Dukat? Bajoran 2: Yes. Damar: I present myself: Damar. Bajoran 1: Not at all! Bajoran 2: He said Dukat. Bajoran 1: Not at all! Bajoran 2: You're not Mr. Dukat, Sir? Damar: (terrifying voice). I am Damar! (Silence.) DAMAR! (Silence.) Does that name mean nothing to you? (Silence.) I say does that name mean nothing to you? The Bajorans look at each other questioningly.
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No Dignity posted:When you have 10 episode season it becomes much harder to justify scripts like 'the local bar owner's brother forms a union' or 'telepathic horny old lady makes everyone else horny because of space flu' as well, the old 20-26 episode seasons were a blessing for really letting the writers get into the weeds and have some fun lower stakes digressions But I think that still falls on the quality of writing and production. Look at Mad Men, who could throw out one off stories that start and end in one episode while pushing the season arc into the B or C plot. Like The Chrysanthemum and the Sword is only tangentially related to the the season's stories of Pete overtaking Roger in importance and the emergence of CGC as a rival, but tells an interesting story about pitching a client that they know they can't win. Unlike Chinese Wall six episodes later that's all Huge Over-Plot of the Series from beginning to end.
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Brawnfire posted:
Bajorans once again expertly demonstrating why the Cardassian occupation was valid.
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I think too often the issue with serialized TV (and this is Discovery and Picard's BIG problem) and many movies is that they come up with an ending set-piece that they want to do and then back their way into it. They will also usually have a list of other set-pieces they want to do and specific character moments that they think would cool to include. Then the plot is loosely draped over that and serves only as a vehicle to get them from beat to beat. The writing and details are secondary at that point, it's mad libs to fill in the blanks to get them there. If you look at the engadget review for Picard Season 3, you can see the frustration with that approach there. Characters don't drive the plot forward with their own agency, they simply react to things as they happen and scope their ability so as to not advance the plot too far. In this case, you have characters that we know are competent dumbing down their actions so that they don't get out in front of the writers and since the plot is just a vehicle to get them to the next set-piece, there's no further thought into obstacles that would actually appropriately stymie our characters. Characters become interchangeable cutouts without their former depth (or outright character assignations). Things happen just to happen. In their quest to have a serial story, they make the majority of the season interchangeable filler.
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bull3964 posted:I think too often the issue with serialized TV (and this is Discovery and Picard's BIG problem) and many movies is that they come up with an ending set-piece that they want to do and then back their way into it. They will also usually have a list of other set-pieces they want to do and specific character moments that they think would cool to include. Then the plot is loosely draped over that and serves only as a vehicle to get them from beat to beat. The writing and details are secondary at that point, it's mad libs to fill in the blanks to get them there. I'm reading Leviathan Wakes right now - it's written in a prestige tv format, and that's fine, but this nails it 100%. Still a pretty good book. I don't plan on watching Picard to see how well it applies there, no ty.
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Burning_Monk posted:O'Brien lives of course... so does Keiko. Which O'Brien is alive anyway, seem to recall a couple of characters who were technically alternate versions of themselves with the originals dying?
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Khanstant posted:Which O'Brien is alive anyway, seem to recall a couple of characters who were technically alternate versions of themselves with the originals dying? They mentioned O'Brien, not Harry Kim.
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CPColin posted:The most bottle episode is Ship in a Bottle because it has bottle in the title
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O’Brien deliberately microwaved himself so he could see the future and then, after telling his future self what he knew, got replaced by him so he could die of massive radiation poisoning in peace
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Knormal posted:Honorable mention to the TOS episode where the Enterprise gets shrunk down and put in a little cube on a necklace. Without looking to confirm, I’d bet my life that was something you could buy from the Lincoln Enterprises catalog within a month or two of the episode airing.
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I find it hard to believe that Beverly Crusher MD has never heard of a loving head ache.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I'm not sure if the production had enough time to learn from Strange New Worlds, but you'd hope somebody at Paramount would realize that people don't actually want grim dark and pessimist Star Trek. If Strange New Worlds teaches anything, it's that people will accept any crap as long as it has the right aesthetic.
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Never liked the 60s show's aesthetic one tiny bit and I loving hate prequels, so I'm not sure how universal your hypothesis is.
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zoux posted:
In a way, the Empath, even though it didn't use any established sets. It's also the most stage-play episode.
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Angry Salami posted:If Strange New Worlds teaches anything, it's that people will accept any crap as long as it has the right aesthetic. LividLiquid posted:Never liked the 60s show's aesthetic one tiny bit and I loving hate prequels, so I'm not sure how universal your hypothesis is. SNW and mid-century design are both great
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