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What's the worst thing Dana White has ever done? Vote for as many as you want. This poll is closed. |
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| End sponsorships so fighters are completely dependent on the UFC's pay |
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62 | 10.56% |
| Ban elaborate entrances and custom gear unless you're a company favorite |
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43 | 7.33% |
| Align himself and the UFC with Donald Trump |
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53 | 9.03% |
| Abuse his wife and somehow guilt MMA media for reporting about it |
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60 | 10.22% |
| Go on a homophobic, misogynist rant about Loretta Hunt and play free speech martyr thereafter |
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48 | 8.18% |
| Compare pay-per-view pirates to Osama bin Laden |
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40 | 6.81% |
| Argue so poorly that he somehow made Jake Paul the good guy |
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46 | 7.84% |
| Allow Logan Paul to own the colors Red and Blue |
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36 | 6.13% |
| Create Conor McGregor |
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36 | 6.13% |
| Blackball the entire American Kickboxing Academy until they signed away lifetime likeness rights |
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49 | 8.35% |
| Use Marlon Vera's daughter's medical needs for advertising, then make fans crowdfund it |
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49 | 8.35% |
| Create the Power Slap League |
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54 | 9.20% |
| Post your own and then vote for it |
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11 | 1.87% |
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jack slack is right. p4p, if you're going to use it, is alexander volkanovski. i want those two to fight again so bad. and edgar / aldo 1 was closer than 2, but they were both very loving close fights and 49/46 aldo in the second is absolutely defensable. more defensable than 49/46 islam anyway.
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Feb 13, 2023 22:52
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also dan hooker is on one. calling someone a dog in australia is fighting words, unlike oval office, which is mostly a term of endearment.
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Feb 13, 2023 22:54
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i suppose where they are on the list is always highly debateable or whatever, but alex under islam on a p4p list is hard to defend when the general consensus and evidence suggests that alex would win if they were genuinely the same fighting size.
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Feb 13, 2023 22:58
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I think Alex would win a rematch. He would have won the fight on a whole fight judging metric, and he also would have won the fight if they had more rounds. Islam was getting the crap beat out of him while he had someone's back.
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Feb 13, 2023 23:02
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Mr. Nice! posted:I think Alex would win a rematch. same. he has demonstrated that rematches go very badly for who he's fighting against. and saying that with the size difference being what it is is genuinely incredible. i can't believe someone who fights that well is basically unknown outside of mma circles. also, good to see that aussie crowds are still p4p best. there was only roughly 12k watching hunt / bigfoot 1 fight and the noise was unbelievable.
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Feb 13, 2023 23:06
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Josuke Higashikata posted:but people also seem to think that if the final round is close as hell/dominant for the fighter who lost the previous 4, that means the other rounds should be re-evaluated. While I don't think there is a way to actually implement this in a sporting context, there is a part of my brain that is sympathetic to this point. If you out land or out point somebody for a majority of early rounds and then get your rear end badly kicked in the final few frames, how can we say the foregoing striking was "effective?" What was its effect? It fatigued the thrower and made them vulnerable to getting badly beaten up. That is not a desirable effect in the context of a fight, but the scoring makes it a desirable effect in the context of a match. I'm not trying to make a real warriors type of a point, just that I think it's an interesting example of the disconnect between MMA and fighting. Like most martial arts are more obvious in the ways they are abstractions of fighting (boxing: we shall wear these gloves and not kick one another, judo: we will wear the same clothes and consider the fight ended after one of us has thrown the other, and also we agree not to punch each other), whereas UFC's original tag line of "as real as it gets" entices a lot of viewers by saying that MMA rather than abstracting a real fight into a sport with rules and conventions is somehow simulating a real fight. That lack of abstraction is where a lot of the sport's appeal comes in but I think it also predisposes people to resist thinking of it as a sport in the same way they think of boxing as a sport. If we are simulating a real fight, who is winning at the end is more important than who was more active in the beginning. I don't know if that can or should be reflected in the rules, but I understand the mindset that wants that. Also I disagree that Alex wins the rematch easily. I think Islam was surprised by Alex more than the other way around so I feel like Islam has greater scope for re-adjustment. And even with that element of surprise Islam won rounds both on the feet and on the mat, so with a better idea of what he is facing I think a rematch would be very competitive.
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Feb 13, 2023 23:49
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Will Brooks is calling to step in and fight Jalin Turner on short notice and I'm down for that. His first UFC run was a bit of a dud and I'd like to see if he righted the ship.
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Feb 14, 2023 00:04
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I scored the fight as a split decision
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Feb 14, 2023 01:23
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CommonShore posted:I scored the fight as a split decision gently caress, this one bothers me the most out of all the stuff mentioned.
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Feb 14, 2023 01:27
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This is kinda out there but has there ever been AI made that can analyze video of a fight to judge the outcome Also there should be dark matches where the lights are off in the arena and the gloves light up Unperson_47 fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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Feb 14, 2023 01:30
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Unperson_47 posted:This is kinda out there but has there ever been AI made that can analyze video of a fight to judge the outcome I believe this is pretty far off from current video recognition technology. At the very least to make something like that happen you'd need the video to be from a single consistently-placed source, or have access to several such sources, and that's just for the system to figure out which fighter is which and where they are in the octagon, before even getting in to anything to do with actual judging. I think you'd probably want some kind of sensors in the gloves too, both to measure amount of strikes and force of impact, might also be helpful for the positioning problem. But then what do you do about kicks? Brut fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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Feb 14, 2023 01:51
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Unperson_47 posted:This is kinda out there but has there ever been AI made that can analyze video of a fight to judge the outcome The PFL SMART CAGE
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Feb 14, 2023 03:35
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if it means tekken style health bars over their heads i am for it
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Feb 14, 2023 04:02
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CommonShore posted:I scored the fight as a split decision
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Feb 14, 2023 04:04
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CommonShore posted:I scored the fight as a split decision lol my objective thoughts my biased assessment the results of a tarot card reading
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Feb 14, 2023 04:11
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Brut posted:
Footwraps are legal aren't they? Could use those, somehow. We also need to surgically implant something to measure torsion on muscles for submissions.
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Feb 14, 2023 04:14
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Unperson_47 posted:Footwraps are legal aren't they? Could use those, somehow. If that's how we get UFC fights health insurance then so be it.
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Feb 14, 2023 04:27
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Guys there's an easy way for a fighter to point fight superbly, and still lose. It's called getting knocked out or submitted, just ask Usman about it. If volk was going to win in rounds 4 or 5 it would have had to be a finish.
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Feb 14, 2023 05:55
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Tangy Zizzle posted:Guys there's an easy way for a fighter to point fight superbly, and still lose. It's called getting knocked out or submitted, just ask Usman about it. If volk was going to win in rounds 4 or 5 it would have had to be a finish. i'm not sure who you're talking to but sure.
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Feb 14, 2023 06:33
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Everyone at work is talking about how Volk got robbed and UFC is bullshit. I wasted a tonne of time the last few days explaining damage versus control and the MMA ruleset. A fight versus an athletic competition. I'm in sydney so that doesn't help. Either way what a great fight, volk showed he is absolutely top of the heap right now. His cardio is so far off the charts it's like cheating. I really wish we got a few more fights out of khabib. He shows up so insanely huge and strong and smothering at fight night, I don't know who'd have him tbh.
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Feb 14, 2023 06:57
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Nierbo posted:Everyone at work is talking about how Volk got robbed and UFC is bullshit .... I'm in sydney so that doesn't help. My brother in christ, what did you think was going to happen?
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Feb 14, 2023 07:00
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Benson Cunningham posted:My brother in christ, what did you think was going to happen? If you used the correct scoring method of asking Matt Hume who won instead of stupid 10 point must then Volk would have won.
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Feb 14, 2023 11:04
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Implement the eye test for all aspects. Fighter X would have won because the other dude got hosed up but he looks like a juicer so dq
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Feb 14, 2023 11:11
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go pride style with 10-5-5 minute rounds and judge the fight as a whole
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Feb 14, 2023 12:17
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ilmucche posted:go pride style with 10-5-5 minute rounds and judge the fight as a whole I believe the priority scoring criteria is how Japanese the fighter was.
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Feb 14, 2023 13:16
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cagliostr0 posted:It's just a shame that being on somebody's back doing a reverse fitching while an angry gremlin punches you over his shoulder repeatedly is considered winning. I mean volk was dominated in that position, the punches do nothing, and he avoided addressing the body triangle at all (which would have opened up the neck) to improve his dominated position, what are some worthless over the shoulder punches meant to do exactly
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Feb 14, 2023 14:19
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I believe you are forgetting some key facts: Volkanovski made faces and yelled while stuck in a body triangle.
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Feb 14, 2023 14:29
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there's only one way to settle this. one person takes the back and locks in a body triangle. the other guy punches him in the face. see who taps first.
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Feb 14, 2023 15:30
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flashman posted:I mean volk was dominated in that position, the punches do nothing, and he avoided addressing the body triangle at all (which would have opened up the neck) to improve his dominated position, what are some worthless over the shoulder punches meant to do exactly you can put this in the exact opposite way: how dominate is a position when you're sitting there not able to do anything but take (admittedly not very damaging) punches to the face? seems like a stalemate on the ground to me, but iirc islam landed more on the feet so i think he takes the round anyway.
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Feb 14, 2023 15:38
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Defense is its own reward and shouldn't be scored on its own. Position is its own reward and shouldn't be scored on its own. Punching a dude in the face and yelling and making him frown is eternal and true
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Feb 14, 2023 16:02
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ilmucche posted:go pride style with 10-5-5 minute rounds and judge the fight as a whole Hot take, but 5-5-10 and the ref can declare two man gasout.
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Feb 14, 2023 16:05
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crepeface posted:you can put this in the exact opposite way: how dominate is a position when you're sitting there not able to do anything but take (admittedly not very damaging) punches to the face? I get what you’re saying here, but being in a body triangle is, like, objectively worse than having your opponent in a body triangle, so while it’s a stalemate once defended I don’t think you can say it’s a wash for scoring.
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Feb 14, 2023 16:09
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Getting the body triangle in the first place is a nod to Islam. Holding the body triangle for two minutes should not, though, if there is nothing done with it. When Islam stopped attacking and just sat there, he should no longer get any credit for effective grappling because he wasn't doing anything but stall. Stalling, regardless of position, should not merit points especially in the face of actual aggression and strikes from the non-stalling fighter.
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Feb 14, 2023 16:23
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Willing to be in a body triangle so ineffectual that I can punch your face repeatedly and yell while doing so to see who taps first for science.
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Feb 14, 2023 16:55
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This was a fight that in places really managed to grind into some of the subjective logical seams in the scoring criteria. In some ways the argument is like "back control is threatening the sub" but idk I feel that's true in the same way that backing someone into the fence threatens a punch - yes, it's true, but it doesn't mean poo poo if nobody throws the punch. And technically, in the rules as written, position is only supposed to count if offensive damage is even. There is, however, no guideline for what "damage" is from a grappling perspective or honestly, what "damage" means at all. Anyone who has experienced it knows that there's grappling "damage" - a takedown hurts, a shoulder of justice hurts, a good mount hurts, and... a body triangle hurts. Or at least these things can hurt when applied to that end. The scoring of the fight comes down to whether or not Islam's grappling and/or Volk's over the shoulder boinks count as "damage" in the mind of a given judge. So as much as I hate to quote him anywhere, this is where Dana's "don't leave it in the hands of the judges" comes into play. There will always be a space or gap in the rules where the judge has to make a subjective call. The judges made their call.
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Feb 14, 2023 17:27
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crepeface posted:but iirc islam landed more on the feet so i think he takes the round anyway. Per all the stats I've been seeing thrown around, Volk landed more.  This is, more or less, the same stats as what I've seen albeit in different visuals. Mekchu fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Feb 14, 2023 |
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Feb 14, 2023 17:49
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I don’t mind scoring the body triangle if he is trying for subs seriously or striking, but the way he sat in it and didn’t want to trade an inch of position for more damage of more threats is certifiably a Bitch Move and shouldn’t be rewarded as a viewer.
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Feb 14, 2023 18:27
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Marching Powder posted:there's only one way to settle this. one person takes the back and locks in a body triangle. the other guy punches him in the face. see who taps first.
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Feb 14, 2023 20:26
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Stealth Tiger posted:Defense is its own reward and shouldn't be scored on its own. https://twitter.com/mikewhoatv/status/995546967383183367?t=MmQeXwYDp7ePvir1w_lTQw&s=19
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Feb 14, 2023 20:47
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“Paul Daley boos own fight” is up there with Roidtech in my MMA videos Mt. Rushmore
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