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Lib and let die posted:I want to understand how posters got their opinions
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Feb 15, 2023 16:39
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I have come more and more to the belief that your politics come from your values, which are prerational, which is why it takes moments of personal crisis in most cases for people to change them. People who change their politics because they thought real hard about it are so rare as to be a pointless consideration. If you want to change someone’s mind, make them depend on you for sex, camaraderie or regard.
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Feb 15, 2023 16:42
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selec posted:If you want to change someone’s mind, make them depend on you for sex Step 1: Demonstrate Value
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Feb 15, 2023 16:47
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RBA Starblade posted:Step 1: Demonstrate Value I'm just here to pick up the scraps
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Feb 15, 2023 16:48
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RBA Starblade posted:Step 1: Demonstrate Value One of the most consistent ways to get somebody to spy on their own nation knowingly accepting the risk of death is to have that good good. Men have thrown away entire armies for a taste of the good good.
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Feb 15, 2023 16:49
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Everyone thinks narratively. To a person. That's really one of the big problems. Politics are the narrative of how you're a good person who protects people and cares about the right things and how you do good in the world. It's just that for some people doing good is being a hero by feeding the homeless and for some it's being a hero by mag dumping into criminals.
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Feb 15, 2023 16:49
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selec posted:Like I laid awake last night for a good hour turning this over in my head: You literally stayed up because you couldn't understand why someone could realize the US government has done horrible things in the past (including the very recent past!), but still believe the EPA about contamination levels after the East Palestine derailment (after looking at the data they're collecting and publishing, and without evidence they're lying or obscuring something)? You really weren't kidding about only believing people who agree with you. Do you have special communist weather reports you listen to so capitalism doesn't influence the forecast? Gumball Gumption posted:I think the current spill is being overblown but lmao if you fully trust the EPA in these situations. Nobody's saying the the EPA should be blindly trusted, they're saying what's been published so far looks reasonable and when people say it isn't safe, what the data supporting that is. selec posted:If you want to change someone’s mind, make them depend on you for sex lol Gumball Gumption posted:This is also why you can't go into the China thread and talk about capitalism and how it would be better for them. They're a communist country so please respect that. China's big on its citizens actively discussing other forms of government.
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Feb 15, 2023 16:55
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DeadlyMuffin posted:You literally stayed up because you couldn't understand why someone could realize the US government has done horrible things in the past (including the very recent past!), but still believe the EPA about contamination levels after the East Palestine derailment (after looking at the data they're collecting and publishing, and without evidence they're lying or obscuring something)? Gumball Gumption posted:If you or someone you know was at camp LeJeune
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Feb 15, 2023 16:57
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like 10 or 15 years later coming back with "well the government reassessed and uh, things were way worse at lejeune than we initially let on, so more people are eligible for damages paid out through the court system" but hell, let's trust the EPA for sure on this one 
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Feb 15, 2023 16:58
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New York City air was safe after 9/11 and you're probably a communist if you thought otherwise. The data says it was safe
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Feb 15, 2023 16:59
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but that's the worst part, probably, is that we're not gonna know the real impact for 10, 15, maybe even 20 years down the line.
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Feb 15, 2023 16:59
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DeadlyMuffin posted:You literally stayed up because you couldn't understand why someone could realize the US government has done horrible things in the past (including the very recent past!), but still believe the EPA about contamination levels after the East Palestine derailment (after looking at the data they're collecting and publishing, and without evidence they're lying or obscuring something)? Past behavior is often indicative of future behavior, especially if there were no meaningful consequences for past failures. Sorry remembering things sucks! Once again, the curse of virginal evidencels is the belief they are capable of intellectual change. They’re not going to change their own minds looking at data, it does not work that way. So what are they looking at data for? To confirm the beliefs they already held. Such a waste of hours that could be spent raising a horse to be a steed, writing poetry or painting a picture. Whereas the Chad Pattern Recognizer can see one thing and know a thousand, ten thousand things, and still have time to make some beats. Read the Book of the Five Rings, you’re posting like a grain-dependent villager right now. selec fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Feb 15, 2023 |
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Feb 15, 2023 17:04
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lmao at trusting the EPA good lord are you a child
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Feb 15, 2023 17:05
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The EPA and ol' Tricky Dick says we shouldn't pump all this raw sewage into the drinking supply, but we know better than that, don't we folks
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Feb 15, 2023 17:08
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RBA Starblade posted:The EPA and ol' Tricky Dick says we shouldn't pump all this raw sewage into the drinking supply, but we know better than that, don't we folks Funny you mentioned Nixon, I was just listening to Dick Wolff talk about him yesterday - sounds like he put up a hell of a fight against inflation - maybe Joe Biden can learn from that guy?
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Feb 15, 2023 17:10
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RBA Starblade posted:The EPA and ol' Tricky Dick says we shouldn't pump all this raw sewage into the drinking supply, but we know better than that, don't we folks Richard Nixon did nothing wrong He did commit treason with the Vietnam peace talks, but still
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Feb 15, 2023 17:10
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WoodrowSkillson posted:lmao at trusting the EPA good lord are you a child If the President has an R next to their name the EPA are liars who are cutting regulations that will cause worse health impacts on people of color just so industry can make more money. If they have a D they're small beans working with the available data and if it's wrong later it was an awful mistake.
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Feb 15, 2023 17:10
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selec posted:I have come more and more to the belief that your politics come from your values, which are prerational, which is why it takes moments of personal crisis in most cases for people to change them. People who change their politics because they thought real hard about it are so rare as to be a pointless consideration.  selec posted:If you want to change someone’s mind, make them depend on you for sex, camaraderie or regard. 
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Feb 15, 2023 17:10
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RBA Starblade posted:The EPA and ol' Tricky Dick says we shouldn't pump all this raw sewage into the drinking supply, but we know better than that, don't we folks you do understand they want the EPA to be more strict and have more teeth as a regulator, right? I found this interesting, I don't normally like breaking points, but this segment was good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k16Nbig9vR4 It's much more related to rail and unions than the EPA.
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Feb 15, 2023 17:11
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Martha Mitchell should have been allowed to do the same things to Nixon he had done to her.
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Feb 15, 2023 17:11
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Read more history!
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Feb 15, 2023 17:11
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:you do understand they want the EPA to be more strict and have more teeth as a regulator, right? brie's right
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Feb 15, 2023 17:12
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guys you can just look up vinyl chloride and what it does to people and the environment and see right away that the response is utterly inadequate and entirely based on sweeping it under the rug ASAP.
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Feb 15, 2023 17:12
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Lib and let die posted:Funny you mentioned Nixon, I was just listening to Dick Wolff talk about him yesterday - sounds like he put up a hell of a fight against inflation - maybe Joe Biden can learn from that guy? The important thing to learn is to not leave a trace Rappaport posted:Richard Nixon did nothing wrong Richard Nixon Did A Couple Things Wrong
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Feb 15, 2023 17:12
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Lib and let die posted:brie's right I don't know who brie is or what they may be right about. I would like to know more
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Feb 15, 2023 17:14
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“. . . to see those—those monkeys from those African countries [President Nixon laughs], drat them, they’re still uncomfortable wearing shoes!” -Ronald Reagan
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Feb 15, 2023 17:14
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selec posted:Martha Mitchell should have been allowed to do the same things to Nixon he had done to her. I feel like I should have learned about this when first taught about the scandal instead of, say, right now
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Feb 15, 2023 17:14
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RBA Starblade posted:Richard Nixon Did A Couple Things Wrong He hired a bunch of morons and idiots, but that's more on his staff than him.
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Feb 15, 2023 17:15
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selec posted:Read more history! I'm not disagreeing with you, just laughing at how matter-of-fact you were being about "if you want to change someone's politics, manipulate them with sex"
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Feb 15, 2023 17:15
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RBA Starblade posted:I feel like I should have learned about this when first taught about the scandal instead of, say, right now dude selec posted:Read more history! the podcast slow burn did a pretty good overview of the Watergate scandal. Heck Yes! Loam! fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Feb 15, 2023 |
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Feb 15, 2023 17:15
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RBA Starblade posted:I feel like I should have learned about this when first taught about the scandal instead of, say, right now I caught a probe and the most-upset custom title from an obviously tilted poster by insinuating that our politics have gotten and conceivably could get this dirty again during a previous CE thread meltdown about how Manchin is scheming and smart and Sinema is a dumb woman who probably has PMS. The historical ignorance of goons is always disappointing especially when it comes to the parts that are also just hellacious good stories. Ideology trumps entertainment value, even, for a lot of folks.
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Feb 15, 2023 17:17
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Judgy Fucker posted:I'm not disagreeing with you, just laughing at how matter-of-fact you were being about "if you want to change someone's politics, manipulate them with sex" Or money and camaraderie! And esteem and regard! The point is you figure out what they’re horniest for and serve it up on a platter, and they’ll be breaking every oath they ever made for a taste. This works on all humans.
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Feb 15, 2023 17:18
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Feb 15, 2023 17:18
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should have used the Leslie Neilson version.
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Feb 15, 2023 17:20
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:should have used the Leslie Neilson version. The USA doesn't deserve that comparison. It's too good for them.
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Feb 15, 2023 17:21
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Judgy Fucker posted:I'm not disagreeing with you, just laughing at how matter-of-fact you were being about "if you want to change someone's politics, manipulate them with sex" Selec is just following CIA doctrine
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Feb 15, 2023 17:21
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WoodrowSkillson posted:lmao at trusting the EPA good lord are you a child If someone were pulling up the EPA data and pointing out where it was wrong, or not consistent with international standards, etc. I'd be very interested. What I've seen is people posting data and saying "this seems reasonable so far" and others saying "capitalism ruins everything" and "someone on Twitter is posting about dead fish". It's data vs. tummyfeels. Blindly trusting the EPA is dumb, so go through the data or talk to an expert in the field who has and see what issues there are. Gumball Gumption posted:Selec is just following CIA doctrine #bothsides
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Feb 15, 2023 17:21
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selec posted:Or money and camaraderie! And esteem and regard! The point is you figure out what they’re horniest for and serve it up on a platter, and they’ll be breaking every oath they ever made for a taste. This works on all humans. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV6XTMpWU8Y
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Feb 15, 2023 17:22
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DeadlyMuffin posted:If someone were pulling up the EPA data and pointing out where it was wrong, or not consistent with international standards, etc. I'd be very interested. So is the EPA trustworthy under a Republican administration? 100% the same institution and no doubts?
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Feb 15, 2023 17:22
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You could also use the ghost blowjob scene to make this point. Ghostbusters as a lens into the functions of propaganda and persuasion by forces larger than you, whose workings are opaque and possibly even supernaturally evil would be a fun video.
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Feb 15, 2023 17:24
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