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Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004


This is confusing but if someone sat down and took 5 minutes to explain it to me I'm sure it'd make perfect sense.

In fact my wife is a 4/5th grade math teacher, she probably teaches this exact way

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Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
newtons method is easier. just do that

Zvahl
Oct 14, 2005

научный кот

Cuttlefush posted:

newtons method is easier. just do that

the wikipedia page scares people

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017




"Everyone has to like the same things".

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
that bio is pure fandom brain

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

The last good superhero movie to come out was the last Dragon Ball Super movie

Zvahl
Oct 14, 2005

научный кот

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

"Everyone has to like the same things".

no no no

not at all

it's that even thinking of them as 'superhero movies' is you doing a no growth

superhero movies are all movies! every last genre, every last time, all of them should have superheroes, and if you don't like it, it's because YOU'RE the closed-minded one

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp

Zvahl posted:

the wikipedia page scares people

there's some fucker who runs around wikipedia changing all the notation and formatting on math pages to the most hosed up form possible. which is unfortunate because it used to be a fine first stop for a lot of stuff

it comes and goes

PsychoInternetHawk
Apr 4, 2011

Perhaps, if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque.
Grimey Drawer
Every movie is either a Marvel movie or DC movie, including ones made before either of those companies existed. Great Train Robbery? DC. Modern Times? Marvel. Also Singin' in the Rain is part of the Snyderverse, no I will not be taking any questions thank you.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

"Everyone has to like the same things".

it's even more incredible when you realize his argument is "they aren't all superhero movies because they incorporate token elements from other genres, so really, what you consider superhero movies run the gamut across all genres"

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


Milo and POTUS posted:

He's got a podcast now

conan abhors sorcery in all forms, I don't believe you

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012





vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

it's even more incredible when you realize his argument is "they aren't all superhero movies because they incorporate token elements from other genres, so really, what you consider superhero movies run the gamut across all genres"

I would be sympathetic to an argument that many genre movies are basically superhero movies because a lot of pop culture storytelling tells stories about superhuman people, like a cursory glance at Fast and Furious movies, James Bond, Star Wars, westerns where the hero is the fastest gunslinger in the world, martial arts movies where the hero can fight a hundred people at a time, and so on, those are basically superhero stories and can be subject to the same criticism. But no, this person goes the complete other direction.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

vyelkin posted:

I would be sympathetic to an argument that many genre movies are basically superhero movies because a lot of pop culture storytelling tells stories about superhuman people, like a cursory glance at Fast and Furious movies, James Bond, Star Wars, westerns where the hero is the fastest gunslinger in the world, martial arts movies where the hero can fight a hundred people at a time, and so on, those are basically superhero stories and can be subject to the same criticism. But no, this person goes the complete other direction.
i'm not sure bond really fits here. the general rule for bond action sequences as i recall them is that he generally only comes out on top by fighting dirty/being lucky/his opponent leaving him an opening by gloating at bond being weak. and of course he also just convinces people not to fight, because he knows he'd get his rear end kicked.

i suppose he might be deemed super human for being a jack of all trades though

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011

A Buttery Pastry posted:

i'm not sure bond really fits here. the general rule for bond action sequences as i recall them is that he generally only comes out on top by fighting dirty/being lucky/his opponent leaving him an opening by gloating at bond being weak. and of course he also just convinces people not to fight, because he knows he'd get his rear end kicked.

i suppose he might be deemed super human for being a jack of all trades though

?

Bond has tons of scenes where he just barrels in and takes out dozens of armed men single-handedly

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
ok but you're gonna have to go around calling seagal movies superhero movies too. probably lots of other action movies

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



Plenty of action movies are ostensibly about a regular guy against overwhelming odds, but through sequelitis you get something like Rambo IV where he singlehandedly kills a dozen soldiers using a machete. I think it's disingenuous to call that a superhero movie though, because that genre has pretty clear parameters and you don't need to exaggerate how common they are now.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
It's a superhero movie if the most embarrassing people alive throw a fit when you tell them it's boring, formulaic pablum for manchildren, next question

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp
^

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Red and Black posted:

?

Bond has tons of scenes where he just barrels in and takes out dozens of armed men single-handedly
shooting up people who aren't even aware that you're there falls under fighting dirty. as does shooting up people fleeing a collapsing villain lair or whatever else he does to rack up his bodycount.

selec
Sep 6, 2003

the thing that kills me about superhero poo poo is there’s a lot of potential for “what if society had super humans appearing in it” that isn’t cape poo poo but it’s all left on the work table because the inherent understanding is that these are children’s products.

the boys really has their number, it’s just that there’s such a What’s Water issue with people that they don’t see themselves in the series as the people being abused and killed by these superhumans. a marvel fan watching the boys and being like “hell yeah, more cape stuff” is probably why the show thrives though.

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
Pornography is a superhero movis

RandolphCarter
Jul 30, 2005


tokin opposition posted:

Pornography is a superhero movis

I feel shame after watching either of them so this tracks

Lib and let die
Aug 26, 2004

selec posted:

the thing that kills me about superhero poo poo is there’s a lot of potential for “what if society had super humans appearing in it” that isn’t cape poo poo but it’s all left on the work table because the inherent understanding is that these are children’s products.

the boys really has their number, it’s just that there’s such a What’s Water issue with people that they don’t see themselves in the series as the people being abused and killed by these superhumans. a marvel fan watching the boys and being like “hell yeah, more cape stuff” is probably why the show thrives though.

there's a short arc in My Hero Academia where the bad guy (literally, Hero Killer Stain) ostensibly takes on the 'Hero-Industrial Complex' (misguidedly, of course - going after individual heroes rather than the systems administrators that dictate how the system functions) that I thought was pretty good

Lib and let die has issued a correction as of 18:30 on Feb 15, 2023

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

tokin opposition posted:

Pornography is a superhero movis

I don't feel like a complete mark when I watch pornography.

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Oct 15, 2012

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vyelkin posted:

I would be sympathetic to an argument that many genre movies are basically superhero movies because a lot of pop culture storytelling tells stories about superhuman people, like a cursory glance at Fast and Furious movies, James Bond, Star Wars, westerns where the hero is the fastest gunslinger in the world, martial arts movies where the hero can fight a hundred people at a time, and so on, those are basically superhero stories and can be subject to the same criticism. But no, this person goes the complete other direction.

There was a time when this argument looked like it might have legs. Back with the first Ant-man where Disney hired Edgar Wright and was still pretending that they let the directors have free reign and you had Winter Soldier as political thriller and Ant-man as a heist movie--still fundamentally superhero movies but ones that were willing to be a bit more experimental about the genre, but ultimately none of that went anywhere and Disney really started taking direct control of the creative process

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

lol. the half-celestial, ent, greenskin, and alien superassassin aren't superheroes you fool

e: rereading it, believing that superheroes aren't "sci-fi characters" is maybe the dumbest part of this thread

indigi has issued a correction as of 18:45 on Feb 15, 2023

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Lib and let die posted:

This is confusing but if someone sat down and took 5 minutes to explain it to me I'm sure it'd make perfect sense.

In fact my wife is a 4/5th grade math teacher, she probably teaches this exact way
It's just breaking up a number that's hard to divide by 2 into numbers that are easier to divide by 2 then adding them back up.

So if you notice that 92 = 40 + 40 +12
Well what's 40/2 + 40/2 + 12/2
It's 20 + 20 + 6 right

Ok add those back up and you're done: 46

Practice and you can do it in your head

Or you can do long division with carrying and poo poo but unless you're really good at visualization you're going to have to write it all out every time.

Flesh Forge
Jan 31, 2011

LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT MY DOG
Batman isn't even "super" he has like NO POWERS :mad:

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

VitalSigns posted:

It's just breaking up a number that's hard to divide by 2 into numbers that are easier to divide by 2 then adding them back up.

So if you notice that 92 = 40 + 40 +12
Well what's 40/2 + 40/2 + 12/2
It's 20 + 20 + 6 right

Ok add those back up and you're done: 46

Practice and you can do it in your head

Or you can do long division with carrying and poo poo but unless you're really good at visualization you're going to have to write it all out every time.

I agree with the point "why would you do 40 + 40 + 12" rather than "80 + 2." but then again I can do four digit long division in my head so this just seems like extra legwork

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Flesh Forge posted:

Batman isn't even "super" he has like NO POWERS :mad:

Batman is propaganda designed to make people think billionaires are superheroes

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Flesh Forge posted:

Batman isn't even "super" he has like NO POWERS :mad:

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Some people get mad about it because they just had long division drilled into them by rote memorization and repetition, and it seems easy to them now because they're used it, but they don't understand where the procedure comes from so asking them to understand another method seems like pointless extra work. Learning is hard, doing what I know is easy, so it must be the same for my kid (who hasn't learned yet), if it's harder for me it's harder for them.

Like that lady said (and respect for admitting it), not understanding their kid's homework makes them feel stupid.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness
please, that's Most Excellent Superbat of the Super Young Team

(that was a good cut.)

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

indigi posted:

I agree with the point "why would you do 40 + 40 + 12" rather than "80 + 2." but then again I can do four digit long division in my head so this just seems like extra legwork

Well the point isn't "you have to do it this exact way every time", the point is to get kids to think about how you could break it down so they notice things like "oh actually I know what 80/2 is so I could write 80+12 instead if I wanted"

Long division might be more efficient for some numbers I agree. But not all. If someone asked me 1018/2 I'm going to do 1000/2 +18/2, I'm not going to sit there and imagine setting up long division and bringing down zeros etc but ymmv

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

VitalSigns posted:

Well the point isn't "you have to do it this exact way every time", the point is to get kids to think about how you could break it down so they notice things like "oh actually I know what 80/2 is so I could write 80+12 instead if I wanted"

Long division might be more efficient for some numbers I agree. But not all. If someone asked me 1018/2 I'm going to do 1000/2 +18/2, I'm not going to sit there and imagine setting up long division and bringing down zeros etc but ymmv

that's totally fair. I think my discomfort is less from thinking I'm stupid/do it "wrong," but rather realizing that despite being good at math through college I may not be able to help my nephew with his 5th grade homework lol

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp

indigi posted:

that's totally fair. I think my discomfort is less from thinking I'm stupid/do it "wrong," but rather realizing that despite being good at math through college I may not be able to help my nephew with his 5th grade homework lol

the little "wtf is this math now??" blurbs generally leave out the instructions (or textbook) that shows how to use whatever method the wtf picture is about. it's a good way to get comfortable with numbers but the format is usually all hosed up. kids can use parentheses and write stuff in line. way too many workbooks have their own clever way of laying out the same general kind of number chunking. chunking is good. laying things out in a way that helps you do it is good. formats that change every year when lesson plans get redone is annoying as hell and probably confuses a lot of kids/parents more than the actual math does.

math notation in general has some really dumb splits and variations that account for some not insignificant portion of people hating math before they get a chance to like it. ussr had the right idea on teaching it

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Cuttlefush posted:

ussr had the right idea on teaching it

if you feel like elaborating on this I'd appreciate it

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Cuttlefush posted:

the little "wtf is this math now??" blurbs generally leave out the instructions (or textbook) that shows how to use whatever method the wtf picture is about. it's a good way to get comfortable with numbers but the format is usually all hosed up. kids can use parentheses and write stuff in line. way too many workbooks have their own clever way of laying out the same general kind of number chunking. chunking is good. laying things out in a way that helps you do it is good. formats that change every year when lesson plans get redone is annoying as hell and probably confuses a lot of kids/parents more than the actual math does.

math notation in general has some really dumb splits and variations that account for some not insignificant portion of people hating math before they get a chance to like it. ussr had the right idea on teaching it

Yeah the dumb thing is when you grade kids on following the format rather than following the method.

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VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

indigi posted:

that's totally fair. I think my discomfort is less from thinking I'm stupid/do it "wrong," but rather realizing that despite being good at math through college I may not be able to help my nephew with his 5th grade homework lol
Yeah and that's an issue right, if you teach a kid something their parent was never taught, they're not going to be able to help their kid unless they can learn it themselves. So you need a solution for that.

One solution might be well gently caress them parents figure it out then. Easy on the school, but probably a bad plan.

Another solution might be to never teach kids anything new. Easy on the parents, but also maybe not great.

Others might be providing free tutoring for the kids or offering a class for the parents but those cost money so

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