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HootTheOwl posted:I did hear it second hand, but also isn't there agacha mobile game? there is. It's completely unrelated to engage, though that didn't stop some very bad dooming from people who completely misread the trailers and would confidently claim it was a port of the mobile game
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Supremezero posted:Sure. Yeah, every time you go up a material level, forging becomes exponentially more materials-intensive. The Liberation is sort of an in-between track between Iron and Steel, being a little better and more expensive than the former but notably cheaper than the latter, which makes it very efficient to upgrade early to carry yourself with. There's a lot of weird sweet spots for forging returns relative to cost. Silver weapons ram incredibly hard into diminishing returns after +2, for example, because the cost jumps from 1 silver per level to 3 and then 5.
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Feb 16, 2023 05:13
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Male Alear has a similar problem to male Corrin where he looks like he’s in toddler clothes despite being a grown man and (at least in the dub) has an annoying whiny voice. So they’re cringy and their naïveté comes off more like being a titanic moron with zero social skills. The girl versions come off a lot better because they look a lot younger so them being naive doesn’t feel like idiocy and more like being young. and they have much better fashion sense that doesn’t immediately make you cringe (well FemAlears hair color still does but what can you do?).
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Feb 16, 2023 05:19
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Male Alear has real good VA though?
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Feb 16, 2023 05:21
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Alear is a teenager who cares a lot, perhaps a little too much, and both actors are pretty good at getting that across. Good casting for both VA imo
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Feb 16, 2023 05:23
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The big reason to keep Libération as Alear's main weapon, other than the Engage bonus, is that it's a solid weapon that can be upgraded for cheap, while everything else you forge can be given to other units. I never bothered giving them anything else, because I didn't even have one forged weapon per unit until like the third act, at which point Alear's most important combat skill was their avoid.
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Feb 16, 2023 05:27
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Einander posted:It feels weird as hell to drop a Prf in a no-durability game, but... There's really no reason to keep using Alear's Liberation sword after they promote, is there? Compared to Liberation+3, a Steel Sword+3 is +3 Might, -5 Hit and +5 Crit in exchange for 7 Weight, and if you stick one of the -Weight engraves on it then Alear hits that 7 Build requirement on promotion even without forges. The ability on Liberation isn't that good, either, or at least I never noticed it making a serious difference on my Hard playthrough. I thought meter was "number of turns until they can re-engage" which made Liberation's special ability look a lot stronger. The meter's more discrete than that.
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Just to confirm, there's nothing I can do with all the reject gacha rings, is there?
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Suddenly I'm seeing why so many people called Alear a meh combat unit. They're force deployed every map, toss em a forged killing edge and let them shred bad guys like you would with any other unit that you want to one round with. Their personal sword doesn't scale well at all. Yeah, it's cheap to upgrade, by why not spend that cheap tossing a couple weapons worth using a +1 instead?
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Feb 16, 2023 05:34
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I'm playing the early game of my reclass everyone run and every time Boucheron crits I keep saying "the bouche is loose" to myself
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Bruceski posted:Just to confirm, there's nothing I can do with all the reject gacha rings, is there? You can technically fuse them together to make higher ranks of that particular ring but it's too expensive and there's no point.
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Harrow posted:I'm playing the early game of my reclass everyone run and every time Boucheron crits I keep saying "the bouche is loose" to myself dafuq
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Bruceski posted:Just to confirm, there's nothing I can do with all the reject gacha rings, is there? You can merge duplicates to upgrade to higher tiers, but that gets expensive quickly, and unless you are looking for specific S ranks it's a dubious investment since you will probably get enough decent ones as-is.
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More like Doucheron.
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Harrow posted:I'm playing the early game of my reclass everyone run and every time Boucheron crits I keep saying "the bouche is loose" to myself lol
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FoolyCharged posted:Suddenly I'm seeing why so many people called Alear a meh combat unit. They're force deployed every map, toss em a forged killing edge and let them shred bad guys like you would with any other unit that you want to one round with. Their personal sword doesn't scale well at all. Yeah, it's cheap to upgrade, by why not spend that cheap tossing a couple weapons worth using a +1 instead? Forged Liberation holds up for a very long time, and as said above it costs a bit cheaper to forge to similar Mt as a Steel Sword. Even when you start getting Silver Swords Liberation's low Wt keeps it relevant. Also Divine Dragon is mediocre as a combat class, but when reclassed to something like Griffin or Wyvern Alear performs well, on the same level as Chloe. As a Divine Dragon you're basically committing to a support role the longer the game progresses.
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Alear has more strength than any of my units except for Panette and top 5 in speed. Very strong dude.
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Harrow posted:I'm playing the early game of my reclass everyone run and every time Boucheron crits I keep saying "the bouche is loose" to myself Been saying this for a while
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galagazombie posted:Male Alear has a similar problem to male Corrin where he looks like he’s in toddler clothes despite being a grown man and (at least in the dub) has an annoying whiny voice. So they’re cringy and their naïveté comes off more like being a titanic moron with zero social skills. The girl versions come off a lot better because they look a lot younger so them being naive doesn’t feel like idiocy and more like being young. and they have much better fashion sense that doesn’t immediately make you cringe (well FemAlears hair color still does but what can you do?). Also this is weird, MAlear is great
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Would I be a terrible person if I just didn't Second Seal Alear when they hit 20 to keep skirmish scaling managable?
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No, but you would be a coward. 
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sucks that a lot of the s-rank weapons are boring vanilla sticks with almost no exciting crit or avoid or at least a small unique feature
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Maybe it's not viable on maddening but on hard Alear with Tikki tanks good and tears up stuff good as a dragon.
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Bruceski posted:Would I be a terrible person if I just didn't Second Seal Alear when they hit 20 to keep skirmish scaling managable? My Alear hit 10/20 after chapter 20 and the skirmish I got was Advanced Level 10, so I feel like there must be a cap of some sort
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Avalerion posted:Maybe it's not viable on maddening but on hard Alear with Tikki tanks good and tears up stuff good as a dragon. Pretty much anyone can with Tiki early on. +5 to all stats is pretty absurd and for Alear at least its basically pure upside since if you're keeping them as a Divine Dragon they're functionally melee locked anyways. Tiki does fall off towards the end of the game even on hard though, enemies and effective weapons scale up a lot.
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blizzardvizard posted:My Alear hit 10/20 after chapter 20 and the skirmish I got was Advanced Level 10, so I feel like there must be a cap of some sort yes, the cap being that that your Alear stopped leveling after 10/20, which corresponds to Advanced Level 10, because it scales off Alear's internal level and assumes that you promote at level 20
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FoolyCharged posted:Suddenly I'm seeing why so many people called Alear a meh combat unit. They're force deployed every map, toss em a forged killing edge and let them shred bad guys like you would with any other unit that you want to one round with. Their personal sword doesn't scale well at all. Yeah, it's cheap to upgrade, by why not spend that cheap tossing a couple weapons worth using a +1 instead? There are a half-dozen other swordies that can do everything Alear would do with a Sword but on par/better, but there're only two units in the game that can abuse Dragon Vein/Max Range Dreadful Aura and Spectrum Rally Dance, and Alear is one of them.
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FoolyCharged posted:Suddenly I'm seeing why so many people called Alear a meh combat unit. They're force deployed every map, toss em a forged killing edge and let them shred bad guys like you would with any other unit that you want to one round with. Their personal sword doesn't scale well at all. Yeah, it's cheap to upgrade, by why not spend that cheap tossing a couple weapons worth using a +1 instead? Roughly comparative resource investments: Liberation +5 is 12 mt, 115(!) hit, and 5 crit for 5 wt for a total of 250 iron, 10 steel, and 3 silver. If you skip the final upgrade, you lose 1 mt, 5 hit, and 5 crit but save 70 iron, 4 steel, and 1 silver. Steel Sword +4 is 13 mt, 95 hit, and 10 crit for 7 wt for a total of 260 iron, 10 steel, and 2 silver. Silver Sword +2 is 14 mt, 95 hit, and 0 crit for 11 wt for a total of 150 iron, 15 steel, and 2 silver. Killing Edge +4 is 13 mt, 75 hit, and 45 crit for 10 wt for a total of 150 iron, 15 steel, and 2 silver. This one's a little deceptive because the game doesn't give you the ability to straight up buy a killing edge for a little while, so if you want one early you need to tack on the cost of upgrading a steel to it. The difference in weapon power for the same investment is not big even if you completely ignore Liberation's passive. Liberation's accuracy is also a huge boon on maddening. Kanos fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Feb 16, 2023 |
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FoolyCharged posted:Their personal sword doesn't scale well at all. Yeah, it's cheap to upgrade, by why not spend that cheap tossing a couple weapons worth using a +1 instead? The Liberation doesn't scale as well as other weapons into the late game, but it's fairly cheap to upgrade and the +5 is the same damage as a Silver Sword at less than half the weight, with more accuracy and crit, and I had a Liberation+5 very early in the game, I'm pretty sure well before I even had frequent access to steel weapons. Since Alear is the one mandatory deployment on every map, it makes a lot of sense to upgrade their special sword when it's that cheap, IMO.
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Why not just forge a Steel Sword +3 instead of the Liberation +5, though? Because you can do that just as soon as you can forge the Liberation, and the Steel Sword can eventually go to +5 for 15 Might and you can hand it off to someone else. The Hit is useful on Maddening, but handing off the sword when Alear gets to the part where they start doing dragon things most turns is even more useful. I guess immediately forging up the first Steel Sword does delay you getting the Levin Sword, but you don't really need that before post-chapter 8, when Diamant shows up carrying a second Steel and the third one pops up in the shops.
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I assume you're still going to want your Alear to have an actually functional weapon for turns where they're required to actually fight, so you'd need to budget the cost of whatever weapon you replace the steel sword with when you hand off the upgraded steel into the equation.
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It's the hit rate for me personally, and also because I actually planned to make Alear into a combat unit. If you're just gonna make them do dragon emblem stuff though then yeah there's no real need to forge up a Liberation
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I just engraved Liberation with something that gives them more evasion because that's mostly when i need Alear to do - not die.
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I'm gonna be honest, I only realized until the third playthrough where I'm using all the rejects that Micaiah actually does let non-healers use staves because I always put her on a natural staff user.
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My Alear was massively blessed but she did some work with Liberation. I probably should've swapped to a silver sword, but I like using prfs tbh, and it's not like Silver weapons look particularly good aside from the axe. Still Alear was easily my mvp in my hard run. 
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Tae posted:I'm gonna be honest, I only realized until the third playthrough where I'm using all the rejects that Micaiah actually does let non-healers use staves because I always put her on a natural staff user. Did you think Yunaka was a trickster or something?
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Hellioning posted:Did you think Yunaka was a trickster or something? I never healed with her outside of great sacrifice until this run when I can't use Framme or Jean
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Hellioning posted:Could have sworn her intro chapter made her heal.... It focuses on the only “who gives a poo poo” part of her kit: the fact that Shine works like a torch
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