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Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters
Also while we’re at it Kerensky was a coward and a moron who made things worse in both the short and long term. gently caress ‘im.

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PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Captain Oblivious posted:

Also while we’re at it Kerensky was a coward and a moron who made things worse in both the short and long term. gently caress ‘im.

This is not an opinion, it's just objectively correct.

Buschmaki
Dec 26, 2012

‿︵‿︵‿︵‿Lean Addict︵‿︵‿︵‿
I always wonder if there was a shift in how the factions were handled because I've experienced Battletech just from wiki articles and the games, but it's cool how Sun Tzu Liao is like the first new Star Lord at the time of the Clans' defeat and while he didnt really do anything still strengthened the Capellan Confederation in a way that makes them no longer seem like the punching bag of the setting. It'd be cool if there were books set in that period if there are any recs

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

Captain Oblivious posted:

Also while we’re at it Kerensky was a coward and a moron who made things worse in both the short and long term. gently caress ‘im.

Every so often I click this thread and think I clicked into the MilHist thread by mistake.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Captain Oblivious posted:

Also while we’re at it Kerensky was a coward and a moron who made things worse in both the short and long term. gently caress ‘im.

Kerensky: *Watches as the glorious Space Empire he is fanatically loyal to falls apart, due first and foremost to an idiot failson exemplar of how inherited nobility is a poo poo way to run a government.*

*A single tear rolls down his cheek.*


Also Kerensky: "Oh well. At least my kids will be perfectly competent, and won't do anything completely idiotic. Like for example turn my new nation into a bunch of genocidal militarist furries who run an insanely regressive and lovely society, while excusing their own actions based on a semi-mystical savior complex."

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Kerensky: “Fratricidal civil wars are horrible! I’m going to take the army and go far far away so this can never happen again!”

*ignores private armies of despotic absolute petty monarchs. 200 years of even worse civil war ensues*

*dumps his army in the middle of gently caress off nowhere. Resource scarcity and politics leads to . . . fratricidal (occasionally genocidal) civil war. *

*heirs of his offspring return to inner sphere. Begin what is arguably another civil war.*

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

No way to prevent this says Sphere where this regularly happens

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

RBA Starblade posted:

No way to prevent this says Sphere where this regularly happens

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Buschmaki posted:

I always wonder if there was a shift in how the factions were handled because I've experienced Battletech just from wiki articles and the games, but it's cool how Sun Tzu Liao is like the first new Star Lord at the time of the Clans' defeat and while he didnt really do anything still strengthened the Capellan Confederation in a way that makes them no longer seem like the punching bag of the setting. It'd be cool if there were books set in that period if there are any recs

There tends to be a cycle in the writing where something comes along to disrupt the IS balance of power (FedCom, Clans, Jihad) and then the writers get scared and bring the situation back to some kind of status quo. Sun Tzu Liao was the writer's way of brining the fiction back to something resembling the 3025 situation. (only to break it again with the WoBies)

Polaron
Oct 13, 2010

The Oncoming Storm

Buschmaki posted:

I always wonder if there was a shift in how the factions were handled because I've experienced Battletech just from wiki articles and the games, but it's cool how Sun Tzu Liao is like the first new Star Lord at the time of the Clans' defeat and while he didnt really do anything still strengthened the Capellan Confederation in a way that makes them no longer seem like the punching bag of the setting. It'd be cool if there were books set in that period if there are any recs

Hell, haven't the Capellans conquered the Davion homeworld in the current fiction era?

EDIT: Wait, no, that was the Draconis Combine.

Rorahusky
Nov 12, 2012

Transform and waaauuuugh out!

Polaron posted:

Hell, haven't the Capellans conquered the Davion homeworld in the current fiction era?

EDIT: Wait, no, that was the Draconis Combine.

Indeed, and as of Dominions Divided, that is no longer the case, as Davion managed to take back their territory thanks to a combination of it being an untenable situation (The worlds they took were surrounded on all sides and were basically impossible to defend) and Draconis Backstabbing Fuckery (The Coordinator knew the situation was untenable, so they basically cut off the invasion force from reinforcements and spun a propoganda campaign to make the entire thing seem like the conquering general's idea, so that when things went pear shaped, he would eat the lion's share of the blame instead).

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

PoptartsNinja posted:

This is not an opinion, it's just objectively correct.

It is but a lot of the older writing very much implicitly agreed that he was an uWu so principled and honourable warrior Kerensky-senpai.

Which in turn bled into a lot of the fans being primed at the pump to accept the Clans’ rhetoric completely uncritically. Masturbating constantly to Natasha Kerensky and Wolf’s Dragoons didn’t help.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

RBA Starblade posted:

No way to prevent this says Sphere where this regularly happens

gotta be a new title

Warad
Aug 10, 2019



I mean to be fair to Kerensky, the Star League was a hosed up institution from day 1 and the Great Houses were too dug into their traditions to have an epiphany over it after Amaris gets capped. He was too old and far from the right man for the job to even hope being able to fix poo poo. A really kickass general, but that's all, a general. He wasn't going to pull off some Frederick the Great master-politicking to stop the Great Houses from nuking each other. Sure he could have stuck it out and thrown his weight behind someone who had the chops to keep things together, but no one was volunteering, and the few compromises he offered just got the House Lords to laugh in his face.


so something something, the only winning move is not to play, game was rigged from the start, etc, gently caress it I'm leaving.

Psycho Landlord posted:

the great thing about battletech is you don't have to be fair to anybody

And that's how you get Tukayyids.

Warad fucked around with this message at 05:39 on Feb 16, 2023

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

the great thing about battletech is you don't have to be fair to anybody

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
I ran into a weird AI bug that someone in the thread described. A mech in my lance would stop moving and not engage in combat at all. If I switched into that mech, then Mason's mech stopped moving. The other two seemed to be working just fine. How did you fix that before?

Also the weird cone map didn't go away when I disabled von Biomes, so I guess it's from the main game somehow.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

Ensign Expendable posted:

I ran into a weird AI bug that someone in the thread described. A mech in my lance would stop moving and not engage in combat at all. If I switched into that mech, then Mason's mech stopped moving. The other two seemed to be working just fine. How did you fix that before?

Also the weird cone map didn't go away when I disabled von Biomes, so I guess it's from the main game somehow.

Cone map sounds like you need to validate files - the mission you described wouldn't be touched by any of the biome mods and its def working for me. You're missing something important in your install.

That AI bug was allegedly fixed in the big DLC patch, are you running that ttrulez AI mod by chance? If so that poo poo's even more busted than usual and shouldn't be used.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
No, I'm not running the AI mod, the only mod I have that affects pilots is Pilot Overhaul. I'll try validating local files, thanks.

Insert name here
Nov 10, 2009

Oh.
Oh Dear.
:ohdear:

Psycho Landlord posted:

the great thing about battletech is you don't have to be fair to anybody
The Battletech universe is basically a forever rotating succession of the "you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"" dril tweet.

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters
Hey Rasalhague and Canopus are basically fine.

…That’s all I got.

Warad
Aug 10, 2019



Insert name here posted:

The Battletech universe is basically a forever rotating succession of the "you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"" dril tweet.

Hell there's some questionable decisions in the background of the vanilla campaign that can make you side-eye Kamea sometimes.

Honestly that's why the sane thing to do is just getting into the Merc mindset of "The good guys are the ones who are paying my bills this year."

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters
Kamea is about as good as it gets when hereditary monarchy is the completely unquestioned norm :shepface:

Honestly my main beef with the campaign is there’s no option to retire into the service of the Aurigan state. Being a merc is for suckers when there’s an alternative like that around.

Much like staying a Shadowrunner if you don’t have to is a sucker’s deal.

Rorahusky
Nov 12, 2012

Transform and waaauuuugh out!
Battletech as a setting is about the ambitions of powerful men and how they usually result in one of three things happening to them and their ambitions.

Result A) Complete and total failure. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 C-Bills. Watch as all your hopes and dreams burn in the fires which you wrought. The Stefan Amaris Ending.

Result B) Get what you want, but in the absolutely worst way imaginable for you. That shiny bauble you vied for, betrayed for, even sold your soul for is now nothing more than a constant reminder of your hubris that will haunt you to the end of your days. The Monkey's Paw Ending.

Result C) Get what you want, but in doing so, plant the seeds for complete and total disaster later down the line, either for yourself or for your successors. Your prize is now a ticking time bomb, just waiting for the most appropriate and/or ironic time to go off. The Landmine Ending.

Catzilla
May 12, 2003

"Untie the queen"


Warad posted:

I mean to be fair to Kerensky, the Star League was a hosed up institution from day 1 and the Great Houses were too dug into their traditions to have an epiphany over it after Amaris gets capped. He was too old and far from the right man for the job to even hope being able to fix poo poo. A really kickass general, but that's all, a general. He wasn't going to pull off some Frederick the Great master-politicking to stop the Great Houses from nuking each other. Sure he could have stuck it out and thrown his weight behind someone who had the chops to keep things together, but no one was volunteering, and the few compromises he offered just got the House Lords to laugh in his face.


so something something, the only winning move is not to play, game was rigged from the start, etc, gently caress it I'm leaving.

And that's how you get Tukayyids.
I think if Kerensky had stuck around he would probably have been capped by one of the great housesComstar

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
Goddamnit. I've played the Mystery Machine mission like five times and it's bugged. Every time it lands me on the background image of the briefing room and nothing else.

Marx Headroom
May 10, 2007

AT LAST! A show with nonono commercials!
Fallen Rib

RBA Starblade posted:

No way to prevent this says Sphere where this regularly happens

PoptartsNinja
May 9, 2008

He is still almost definitely not a spy


Soiled Meat

Warad posted:

I mean to be fair to Kerensky,

He really expected to be named Star Lord after taking Terra. He was regent before Amaris and he thought the Great Houses would back him.

When they didn't he took his army and went home.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Man there's a load of stuff to do in MW5 with the new dlc but it's still kind of a lot of the same lol

The rival mercs are fun though

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

PoptartsNinja posted:

He really expected to be named Star Lord after taking Terra. He was regent before Amaris and he thought the Great Houses would back him.

When they didn't he took his army and went home.

Reading it that way means he's an even more incompetent politician though.

He'd just fought a massive civil war and got zero help from the Great Houses. They just sat back and watched the Terran Hegemony burn down. If he thought they actually liked being the junior members of the Star League, subordinate to the Hegemony in every important matter but face, that should have dissuaded him.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

I dunno that i ever got the vibe kerensky wanted to be star lord but he was a deeply unintelligent man when it came to anything that wasn't dropping orions on periphery empires

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug

RBA Starblade posted:

Man there's a load of stuff to do in MW5 with the new dlc but it's still kind of a lot of the same lol

The rival mercs are fun though

What's that? Is that like the Nemesis system in Shadow of Mordor?

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Ensign Expendable posted:

What's that? Is that like the Nemesis system in Shadow of Mordor?

Depending on where you go, there are spheres of influence where other merc companies operate, with their own sets of mechs. If you drop in a mission there, depending on who you're fighting for (or against), they have a chance to show up and support or oppose you. The game warns you of their compositions in advance so you can be aware that this little baby difficulty mission might have an assault mech drop on your rear end if you're unlucky

There also seems to be a rep rating with each one but I haven't looked at that too closely yet

Insert name here
Nov 10, 2009

Oh.
Oh Dear.
:ohdear:

Ensign Expendable posted:

What's that? Is that like the Nemesis system in Shadow of Mordor?
That would actually be cool, so no

Instead mercs just crash the party sometimes when you're on a mission inside their operating circle on the map, that's it

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

Nah they'll drop to help you out too, there's a bit more nuance to it than just "more enemies."

Also they ignore mission difficulty modifiers so fuckin around in the territory of one of the bigger and better equipped merc companies is actually something to be concerned about because the dragoons might drown you in annihilators if you shoot the wrong client

It's not as bad as it could be, but it could be better, which is basically vanilla MW5.txt

Insert name here
Nov 10, 2009

Oh.
Oh Dear.
:ohdear:

Psycho Landlord posted:

Nah they'll drop to help you out too, there's a bit more nuance to it than just "more enemies."
That counts as crashing the party too; I never specified they would be enemies :v:

Psycho Landlord posted:

It's not as bad as it could be, but it could be better, which is basically vanilla MW5.txt
Yeah I ended up picking up MW5+DLCs during the sale for the latest DLC and while I am enjoying it well enough to keep playing because it scratches a specific itch it really is a monument to mediocrity

I'm glad I went in with the expectation that I'm going to mod the game because otherwise I'd probably be very disappointed

Warad
Aug 10, 2019



Another neat thing about rival mercs is you can farm Wolf's Dragoons for Marauder IIs and Annhilators. :black101:

Hopefully mods start expanding the system after a while, more merc companies, (seeing Snord's show up as a good source for Royal Mechs as one example) maybe expanding the feature to certain house units and maybe even letting Comstar show up to ruin everyone's day every once in a while.

Warad fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Feb 16, 2023

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

Insert name here posted:

That counts as crashing the party too; I never specified they would be enemies :v:

Yeah I ended up picking up MW5+DLCs during the sale for the latest DLC and while I am enjoying it well enough to keep playing because it scratches a specific itch it really is a monument to mediocrity

I'm glad I went in with the expectation that I'm going to mod the game because otherwise I'd probably be very disappointed

install the poo poo outta some mods. YAML and its ilk help a lot.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
For me the War FX mod was what turned MW5 from World of Tanks with less slurs to a game where it feels like I'm actually operating a massive vehicle that can walk through buildings.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Ensign Expendable posted:

For me the War FX mod was what turned MW5 from World of Tanks with less slurs to a game where it feels like I'm actually operating a massive vehicle that can walk through buildings.

Does it work with the DLC? Looks like the guy hasn't updated it in forever.

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Insert name here
Nov 10, 2009

Oh.
Oh Dear.
:ohdear:

Psycho Landlord posted:

install the poo poo outta some mods. YAML and its ilk help a lot.
Oh yeah let me be clear that I installed YAML on like, hour 2 of playing. I was actually going to try going vanilla at first (I like to play games without major mods first in order to get an idea of what I'd like changed) but let's just say the game left me feeling... distinctly unimpressed.

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