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https://twitter.com/SaamiCouncil/status/1626247612092252162 Somehow I don’t think SE is gonna give a drat, if they even notice.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Somehow I don’t think SE is gonna give a drat, if they even notice. One of the frames (why is it a GIF?) says Square Enix already dismissed them in a letter, which I guess is why they're going this route now.
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quiggy posted:I play with God's own Japanese VA mods???
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Aphrodite posted:One of the frames (why is it a GIF?) says Square Enix already dismissed them in a letter, which I guess is why they're going this route now. Oh I didn’t even realize it was a gif, mobile client must be getting funky again.
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Feb 16, 2023 21:47
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ive never heard "cultural property" before and it seems like a really weird concept to me
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Feb 16, 2023 22:18
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last time I clearly remember something like this coming up is when they added the native american headdress glam to the game. I think there's been a few others but it shows how much I've paid attention in that I don't know if anything came from it.
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Kerrzhe posted:ive never heard "cultural property" before and it seems like a really weird concept to me They're a marginalised people who have a strong cultural identity which includes their traditional clothes. Depictions of said clothes without the rest of the culture is something they find insensitive because their culture is already being threatened anyway. As a counterpoint, I believe they were happy with Klaus portraying their people in full.
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Feb 16, 2023 23:28
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Feb 16, 2023 23:34
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i better go buy it before it's taken off the store
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Lord_Magmar posted:They're a marginalised people who have a strong cultural identity which includes their traditional clothes. Depictions of said clothes without the rest of the culture is something they find insensitive because their culture is already being threatened anyway. that makes sense. i guess the weird part about it to me is bringing intellectual property law into it.
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KoB posted:mods??? no i think you can do it natively in the game
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Feb 17, 2023 00:13
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i think itd be fine if it was just a costume in game since you could make the argument it's so players of that culture can use the clothing, but selling it in the cash shop does feel a little off.
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Kerrzhe posted:that makes sense. i guess the weird part about it to me is bringing intellectual property law into it. Companies don't care about cultural identity feelings, they do care about intellectual property rights.
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I'm genuinely curious if there's any legal precedent here, but the only citation in the Saami Council article is an agreement (specifically a "Non-confidential Ceremonial Version") with Disney for a dub of 'Frozen 2'. They are very insistent that there are intellectual property laws that apply here, but they don't name any specific laws, or even any courts where they might apply.
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Maximum Tomfoolery posted:I'm genuinely curious if there's any legal precedent here, but the only citation in the Saami Council article is an agreement (specifically a "Non-confidential Ceremonial Version") with Disney for a dub of 'Frozen 2'. They are very insistent that there are intellectual property laws that apply here, but they don't name any specific laws, or even any courts where they might apply. I imagine it's akin to something like fair trade labeling, where it's more about a moral imperative than a legal one. You don't really wanna be a company defending your right in court to make a buck off the culture of a historically marginalized people, even if you're legally allowed to.
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Maximum Tomfoolery posted:I'm genuinely curious if there's any legal precedent here, but the only citation in the Saami Council article is an agreement (specifically a "Non-confidential Ceremonial Version") with Disney for a dub of 'Frozen 2'. They are very insistent that there are intellectual property laws that apply here, but they don't name any specific laws, or even any courts where they might apply. I don't know if it would be considered related, but one I'm aware of is the Zia in New Mexico, whose symbol was stolen for the state flag a hundred years ago. I believe agreements have recently been arranged with the State and a couple of merchants have gotten permission to use it, but I don't know the details and whether it was legal stuff or they managed to find a senator with a conscience.
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Maximum Tomfoolery posted:I'm genuinely curious if there's any legal precedent here, but the only citation in the Saami Council article is an agreement (specifically a "Non-confidential Ceremonial Version") with Disney for a dub of 'Frozen 2'. They are very insistent that there are intellectual property laws that apply here, but they don't name any specific laws, or even any courts where they might apply. The Seminole tribe of Florida licenses their name and image to Florida State but the Seminole tribe of Oklahoma doesn’t like it.
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To be clear, the article linked very loudly insists that real and binding laws are definitely in play here, but it doesn't elaborate. That's what's baffling me. edit: To directly quote the article, "This is not about sensitivity or whether the depiction is appropriate. These elements are Sámi cultural property and Square Enix has infringed on our rights, says President of The Saami Council, Áslat Holmberg. " Maximum Tomfoolery fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Feb 17, 2023 |
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Maximum Tomfoolery posted:To be clear, the article linked very loudly insists that real and binding laws are definitely in play here, but it doesn't elaborate. That's what's baffling me. If all parties agree that real and binding laws are in place and act accordingly, but no actual law exists, do they in effect make the law exist?
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Feb 17, 2023 01:48
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You need a judge for that.
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I know a place just south of Doma that's full of them
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I don't think the Sami people want to have a court case to decide if it's legal to culturally appropriate cause that's not gonna go down the way they want
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It's kinda weird that they gunned straight for the US store; is this outfit also being sold on international MogStation versions too?
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I would assume so. Maybe they think they have better standing with the US?
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Finally took the time to get this done. For reference I had a single scale+. It was a tedious night but I am now done
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Level 69: Level 70:  I wanted to start putting together ShB glams. Honestly, Blood Red feels like it would make the coat match the hat better, but Metallic matches the weapon better.
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Lord_Magmar posted:They're a marginalised people who have a strong cultural identity which includes their traditional clothes. Depictions of said clothes without the rest of the culture is something they find insensitive because their culture is already being threatened anyway. It's really hard to feel sympathy here because, at least in Finland, they are also known for making giga-racist public statements about blood purity (literal nazi poo poo), gatekeeping the identity ("you are not a real Sami because your grandpa learned Finnish under immense pressure from the government, even if literally all you descend directly from Sami families"), etc. I don't know whether it's motivated financial/power motives (being "officially Sami" gives a whole bunch of rights) or by straight-up racism, but I personally know people who suffer from their attitude of "we'll right the century old wrongs by further wrongs now."
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Loezi posted:It's really hard to feel sympathy here because, at least in Finland, they are also known for making giga-racist public statements about blood purity (literal nazi poo poo), gatekeeping the identity ("you are not a real Sami because your grandpa learned Finnish under immense pressure from the government, even if literally all you descend directly from Sami families"), etc. I don't know whether it's motivated financial/power motives (being "officially Sami" gives a whole bunch of rights) or by straight-up racism, but I personally know people who suffer from their attitude of "we'll right the century old wrongs by further wrongs now." I know in the US protected indigenous identities are purely gatekept for financial reasons (tribes get kickbacks/casino money and want to keep the pool of recipients as small as possible) and can be just as strict as the Sami if not more so (lookup blood quantum sometime) as people are denied tribal membership for things like having too many white ancestors even if their descent is from the original tribal rolls, which considering the historical preponderance of sex crimes and outright abduction amongst the tribes inflicted by white people, is hosed up. Not saying the Sami don't have the right to police their heritage, but that sounds bad.
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You'll probably want to be clearer that some tribes do that. The Mohegans for example use simple lineage, despite all members getting a stipend because of the Mohegan Sun.
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https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/08c262868e21e1a27e73981ebf185639c4f9783e Fanfest ticket purchases shifting from fcfs to lottery. Need to have an active sub to apply, and if you win you can grab up to two tickets. If there's any left over general sales will open. Also note that fanfest is in a larger venue this year.
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Predictably, people are already flying off the handle about it, ignoring that there'll be general sales after the exclusivity period, etc. I can't really see a reason to be mad that the first physical fanfest in years gets tickets prioritized to active players in that region, but I guess I do not have an enormous Content Creator™️ brain.
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Are people mad about active subs or about a lottery? Because the former seems good and the latter seems at best lateral and probably bad.
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Countblanc posted:Are people mad about active subs or about a lottery? Because the former seems good and the latter seems at best lateral and probably bad. They're mad about "who loving region locks a fanfest". I dunno, as someone who was enough of an idiot to try and buy Blizzcon tickets several times in the past and never was able to get them due to technical bullshit or "you were in line at 10:01 and all the tickets were gone by 10:00:17" poo poo, a lottery is a lot more palatable. Still not great, of course, but it's like the housing situation - anything's better than E: And even then there's still a general sales, FCFS period afterwards.
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I'm waiting for the "you did not win your fanfest ticket lottery, the winning number was...0. Your number: 1" messages with a 4-week fix after.
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one other change from previous years is that pre-sales let you buy a maximum of two tickets, down from four. fcfs buying four tickets ate up way too many imo.
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Kyrosiris posted:They're mad about "who loving region locks a fanfest". I'm seeing way more people mad about the lottery than the region lock. And, yeah, I don't get it. It was a game of chance before, too, this one just doesn't require you to enter the game at a specific time.
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With both housing and fanfest tickets, the existence of the lottery turns 'you might not get what you want' from an unspoken element to an explicitly stated one. So if you either don't have any idea how competitive that purchase is or just think you'd get it anyway, a lottery takes away your rightful purchase (that you were probably not getting anyway).
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