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V. Illych L. posted:i get the impression that hersh has a serious enough ego that even if he knew of an instance where this was true, he probably would not admit it
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pangstrom posted:One thing I'd like to hear Hersh talk about is being "used". Sometimes it's a way to find out something true and a cost of doing business, and sometimes it's something somebody wants out there but it's a lie, etc., how to suss that out, or maybe even somebody would want Hersh specifically to eat poo poo. I'm sure he would be coy to some extent because it's source-adjacent but he's been around long enough that I'm sure he could talk about something from the 1980s or without being super specific, or maybe the source was lovely and burnable enough that basically they're the story at that point. one thing i'd like to know is how hersh gets his stories out without the propaganda machine running against it well in advance or his sources not burned, like surely there's a lot of Eyes on this guy espescially after syria.
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mila kunis posted:one thing i'd like to know is how hersh gets his stories out without the propaganda machine running against it well in advance or his sources not burned, like surely there's a lot of Eyes on this guy espescially after syria. i think saying he's a crank is easier and more effective than being heavy-handed
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Feb 16, 2023 23:13
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the people who go to hersh probably have slightly better op sec than reality winner
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mila kunis posted:one thing i'd like to know is how hersh gets his stories out without the propaganda machine running against it well in advance or his sources not burned, like surely there's a lot of Eyes on this guy espescially after syria. edit: Bryter posted:He interviewed John about it last year pangstrom has issued a correction as of 23:50 on Feb 16, 2023 |
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Feb 16, 2023 23:32
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Bryter posted:He interviewed John about it last year wtf, john is bald? im not sure if i can listen to this show anymore.
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Feb 17, 2023 00:12
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Phone posted:the people who go to hersh probably have slightly better op sec than reality winner *disgruntled senior cia official flips the PRISM switch to "off", sends email*
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Feb 17, 2023 01:01
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:listened again, hilarious to end with ‘the debt is paid’ from hersh. I wonder how Mark took that. If it was me I'd feel so down lol.
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Feb 17, 2023 01:17
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net work error posted:I wonder how Mark took that. If it was me I'd feel so down lol. really made me feel bad for him tbh
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Feb 17, 2023 01:31
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Haven't listened yet but it sounds like he's an rear end in a top hat? Has there been any independent confirmation of his nordstream story yet? I know in the past at least parts of his big stories got verified.
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Feb 17, 2023 02:10
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seymour hersh is very nice. i have no idea why people think he was being mean.
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kneelbeforezog posted:What are some of yalls favorite episodes so I can make a curated list? \ the episode with the blowback boys is good. i also like the episodes about the NED carl zha taiwan eps assange ep with that icelandic guy bjohnhangsons nde4462whghfiaeg at the time, i thought the eps about ukraine and pipelines with ben aris were really good, but his recent appearance makes me question how accurate it was
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Ben aris is a neoliberal business journalist, I think his views are consistent with that outlook and one shouldn’t be surprised that he isn’t a socialist or something. the thing that’s good about him is he is a neoliberal business journalist without being a US patriot which is pretty unique.
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:Ben aris is a neoliberal business journalist, I think his views are consistent with that outlook and one shouldn’t be surprised that he isn’t a socialist or something. the thing that’s good about him is he is a neoliberal business journalist without being a US patriot which is pretty unique. Riley from Trashfuture noted: if you want to understand what the capitalists really want FT and the like are your friend
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Feb 17, 2023 03:15
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yeah I remember Chomsky saying something about financial media being the most reliable mainstream news because they have to have some connection to reality to make money.
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crepeface posted:at the time, i thought the eps about ukraine and pipelines with ben aris were really good, but his recent appearance makes me question how accurate it was love when goons have these little meltdowns over Problematic Content
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Recent non-civil war episodes I've really enjoyed were: 282 and 283 -- Bangladesh Genocide 271 - Burma's Ethnic Militias 344 - Iraq Invasion of Kuwait 319 - Escape from Kiev Also love Annibale, Aamer, Isa Blumi, and Josh Landis as guests.
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his assessment of the oil and gas sanctions was that they would have been far more effective if they had been instituted before the russians had had time to find alternative export markets. this is self-evidently true. his additional comment that they would have been effective enough to cause widespread protests, bring down putin, etc etc is a lot more arguable, but is obviously secondary to the central point. it's extremely goony to miss that and to get fixated on such a minor part of the whole.
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The episode about the Dhofar Rebellion is wild too. They made mention of this BBC doc about mercs in Oman - or maybe someone posted it on a discussion page? Either way there's some great reporting here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGMX_oBpDKQ
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Jonah Galtberg posted:his assessment of the oil and gas sanctions was that they would have been far more effective if they had been instituted before the russians had had time to find alternative export markets. this is self-evidently true. his additional comment that they would have been effective enough to cause widespread protests, bring down putin, etc etc is a lot more arguable, but is obviously secondary to the central point. it's extremely goony to miss that and to get fixated on such a minor part of the whole. didn't read
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Sci Fi and Fascism is a good one. Really, any book episode is good because it's a good source of book recommendations
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Yeah the Jack Vance & Gene Wolfe episode got me reading some of their wildly uneven stuff.
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Isentropy posted:Riley from Trashfuture noted: if you want to understand what the capitalists really want FT and the like are your friend this is dumb and i have no idea why the mythology of it has been so persistent other than "a podcaster said it and those people are my totally real friends" syndrome
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brugroffil posted:Haven't listened yet but it sounds like he's an rear end in a top hat? there's been reports that a (norwegian) plane with the capacities hersh describes was in the area around the time of the explosion. i do not remember if it's the precise type hersh alleges. an alta-class ship did participate in the exercise hersh alleges was used as cover, but it's not obvious how it would deploy a team of divers without getting noticed - from available data, it doesn't seem to have stopped and waited for them to get back up directly over the pipeline which would presumably be the most straightforward way to do it. mostly, though, there's just been crickets. i've seen very little serious follow-up beyond some medium-effort attempts at debunking. for something like this to be actually confirmed you'd need further leaks from the relevant services, parlimentary inquiries or someone in the press taking this very seriously indeed, and none of this seems to be forthcoming. this is why the attempt to discredit hersh personally makes sense - if the source can be dismissed, so can the allegations, and you can assume that they're wrong without substantively engaging with them. most people would agree that if there's even a fairly small chance that this is true it should be taken very seriously indeed, so this a priori has to be obviously false, which leads to a number of interesting cognitive exercises. people really do not want this to be true and so will interpret any incongruities they can find to be fatal to the overall story, to the point where in their mental calculus simply entertaining the idea that it might in some part be true is more damaging than committing to a serious investigation of some sort
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Cuttlefush posted:seymour hersh is very nice. i have no idea why people think he was being mean. Yeah but I think me and others are reacting more to how assertive he was and controlled the flow of the interview
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they seemed a little timid with him until the end. did they have an agenda or something he bowled over? i thought they were just chillin vOv
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Nah wouldn't go so far as saying chilling, friendly sure but Mark seemed on his toes like trying to impresse some elder figure he admires
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V. Illych L. posted:there's been reports that a (norwegian) plane with the capacities hersh describes was in the area around the time of the explosion. i do not remember if it's the precise type hersh alleges. an alta-class ship did participate in the exercise hersh alleges was used as cover, but it's not obvious how it would deploy a team of divers without getting noticed - from available data, it doesn't seem to have stopped and waited for them to get back up directly over the pipeline which would presumably be the most straightforward way to do it. I saw at the end of the Jacobin interview they asked about the Norwegian plane, and he just hand-waived it away. Wasn't exactly confidence-inspiring. quote:FABIAN SCHEIDLER
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brugroffil posted:I saw at the end of the Jacobin interview they asked about the Norwegian plane, and he just hand-waived it away. Wasn't exactly confidence-inspiring. I don't know what the plane osint bros are saying, but as far as the article goes the plane is supposed to have dropped one sonar emitter that triggered three bombs. So a minimum range of, what, 50 km? No idea what the max range would be. Also, presumably they failed to trigger a fourth explosive, so they probably didn't operate under ideal conditions. And I somehow doubt that civilian flight trackers somehow put an absolute limit on the position of literal spy planes. Wonder what happened with the bomb that didn’t go off. Was it even planted?
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Hersh just seems like a terse old man? Ames just sounded like he was awestruck by meeting one of his heroes.
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AnimeIsTrash posted:Hersh just seems like a terse old man? Ames just sounded like he was awestruck by meeting one of his heroes. it was sweet
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Trimson Grondag 3 posted:Ben aris is a neoliberal business journalist, I think his views are consistent with that outlook and one shouldn’t be surprised that he isn’t a socialist or something. the thing that’s good about him is he is a neoliberal business journalist without being a US patriot which is pretty unique. He's great precisely because he's all in on supporting Ukraine and how Putin is evil. If you follow him on twitter he's 99%: "Slava Ukraini and all guy's but it's kind of bothering me that the economic outlook for Ukraine is catastrophic and Russia is doing pretty well despite the sanctions." I really get the feeling he's telling you what he thinks is true despite what he'd like to be true.
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crepeface posted:hersh on democracy now no disrespect but he comes across a lot more bumbling and less cogent here than in the RWN inteview
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:no disrespect but he comes across a lot more bumbling and less cogent here than in the RWN inteview awestruck and intimidated by amy goodman
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crepeface posted:hersh on democracy now lmao the inappropriate content warning
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paul_soccer12 posted:lmao the inappropriate content warning it's to protect amy from being attacked by russian bots
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