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Looking at the lineup please Gerard, please put Kravtsov back in and make the 4th line Motte-Goodrow-Vesey.
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WeaponX posted:Motte is an effective 4th liner, Gauthier is useless in that role. He is built like a brick shithouse and can skate real fast but doesn’t defend well, has zero hockey sense, cant line up hits effectively and has hands of stone. He has one move, crash the net and cut across and 90% of the time he fires it right over the top bar. Unless he puts it together and becomes a middle-six scoring winger, Motte is far more useful to NYR at this point. Their 4th line has been a black hole all season. Gauthier’s 9 points is 2 less than the 11 that Watson/Kelly/Gambrell have in a combined 136 games lol
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i'd never ever thought I'd say this but it's a bit bittersweet to see Gauthier go. he still has some ways to develop, but this is the first season in which he's looked like an actual NHLer. He's like a (very) poor man's Michael Grabner--not exactly the prototypical bottom sixer, but has enough speed and individual skill to produce goals by himself. he's certainly an NHLer now, and he could still develop into a more useful one if he's consistent. he's also really really good at drawing penalties. I would imagine the logic for Drury was something like "Motte is more consistent, can play outside the fourth line in a pinch (Gauthier absolutely cannot. And I mean cannot like cannot more than almost any other player I've seen. he's a line killer), and can kill penalties".  I was going to say especially that it's bad a little to lose Gauthier's very good ability to draw penalties especially given our power play talent...but drat it looks like Motte is actually somehow even better and like almost McDavid-level at that this season? Matt Zerella posted:Looking at the lineup please Gerard, please put Kravtsov back in and make the 4th line Motte-Goodrow-Vesey. I think that ship has sailed and they seem to like Goodrow more on the wing than at center. Vesey has been legit great in a top 9 role and deserves to be there too IMO. I'd rather get some type of useful 4th-line center, try to keep Kravtsov for depths/injuries and go: Kreider-Zibanajeda-Tarasenko Panarin-Trocheck-Vesey Laf-Chytil-Kakko Goodrow-(useful 4th line C)-Motte ex: Kravtsov Bjugstad seems like a nice target IMO. DO YALL WANT A BOXC fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Feb 19, 2023 |
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Feb 19, 2023 20:30
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rex rabidorum vires posted:Ron Hainsey rental literally helped them win a cup lol. I was more referring to moving lots of picks and prospects and it eventually coming home to roost The Pens won their cups so I regret none of it but this is the end result of all of that
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DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:Kreider-Zibanajeda-Tarasenko 4 more years on that Goodrow contract, yuck
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Feb 19, 2023 20:49
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The Dirty Burger posted:4 more years on that Goodrow contract, yuck It's a really tradeable contract though
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fawning deference posted:It's a really tradeable contract though Speaking of tradeable https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1627396363943088133?s=46&t=l0Ehgaaunb0RIvbdAvUi8Q
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Feb 19, 2023 20:59
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Gauthier is fast and good at transitioning the puck sometimes and often looks like “drat if he could just put that last piece together” but he seems unable to Maybe if he’s forcefed minutes he’ll produce some but I doubt it’ll be efficient But he’s not bad really just maybe still Not the “ideal” fourth liner Would rather they ditch letsytian or however it’s spelled but gauthier isn’t a big loss either so eh
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Feb 19, 2023 21:07
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Matt Zerella posted:Loved him last year. I'm happy to have him back and he PKs too. Problem is they got Leschyshyn entirely (besides being a nepo-baby) to win faceoffs and he is good at that. Of course as you know, he is completely useless at anything else. Goodrow is abysmal at faceoffs so I think we are stuck with this guy unless they find a new option at 4C. Brodzinski is in the org, is decent at FOs, and is better than Leschyshyn but for some reason they refuse to play him at center when they call him up. The Dirty Burger posted:Gauthier’s 9 points is 2 less than the 11 that Watson/Kelly/Gambrell have in a combined 136 games lol Hey if you can give him consistent middle six minutes and find a system that works for him, he is a decent gamble. Has all the genetic and physical advantages, could maybe figure it out. Just no spot on NYR except as a Gallant-4th-line-shutdown-winger which he is his absolutely not suited for despite his size. WeaponX fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Feb 19, 2023 |
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Feb 19, 2023 21:10
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St Louis’ goalies are a literal nazi and Jordan Binnington, good lord
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More than a little surprised that an NHLer acknowledged long covid as a thing and that only a small minority of the comments blame ~the vaccines~. A quick search only reveals articles from a year ago about Brandon Sutter taking ivermectin to try to cure his long covid, which I guess didn't work for some reason.
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The Dirty Burger posted:St Louis’ goalies are a literal nazi and Jordan Binnington, good lord a giant angry shrieking manchild and Thomas Greiss
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Shame to see it happen to one of the 100 greatest players of all time but 3 time cup winner, triple gold, smythe, and $114 million career earnings... I think I'd be wanting to focus on health over a game at that point, too.
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fawning deference posted:https://twitter.com/cmasisak22/status/1627414578283053056?t=JRlX5Ra1ORJTq6o_v3tsQw&s=19 uh huh sure trade-related upper body injury
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Ginette Reno posted:I was more referring to moving lots of picks and prospects and it eventually coming home to roost Holding on to picks now doesn't make a lick of difference. The Pens traded for their last NHL level 1st rounder in Kapanen and look how that's going. I don't think anyone in WBS is really worth much of anything either. Everyone that has gotten a look on the big team thus far has been bad. There is nothing of value. Fix the bottom 6. Run it back. Whatever lets go.
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eXXon posted:More than a little surprised that an NHLer acknowledged long covid as a thing and that only a small minority of the comments blame ~the vaccines~. A quick search only reveals articles from a year ago about Brandon Sutter taking ivermectin to try to cure his long covid, which I guess didn't work for some reason. I legit forgot about Brandon Sutter until you mentioned him, and I’m a Canucks fan
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rex rabidorum vires posted:Holding on to picks now doesn't make a lick of difference. The Pens traded for their last NHL level 1st rounder in Kapanen and look how that's going. I don't think anyone in WBS is really worth much of anything either. Everyone that has gotten a look on the big team thus far has been bad. There is nothing of value. Fix the bottom 6. Run it back. Whatever lets go. Yeah anything should be on the table but that said picks do turn into prospects and prospects have trade value too.
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Mike Works posted:I legit forgot about Brandon Sutter until you mentioned him, and I’m a Canucks fan Would you rather remember Brandon Sutter?
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Realistically it doesn't matter what the Penguins do because they're an 8 seed battler with the oldest roster in the NHL and no prospects in the AHL. If cleaning out the last forgotten pack of crackers in the far dusty reaches of the cupboard in a last effort to maybe if everything breaks right reach the second round really turns you on then cool I guess. It doesn't do anything for me, the team is about to totally collapse and at this point I'd rather they keep their draft picks to start rebuilding with. I do understand that they probably have an understanding with the geriatric stars they just re-signed that they are going to continue to Go For It. But another couple years of picks-for-vets is going to push the most optimistic time horizon to the next contending Penguins team to drat near a decade. Crosby/Geno/Tanger era was A++++. It's over and it's time to get the rebuild started IMO.
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I don't care what he makes, thank God for Jeff Skinner. Lmao https://mobile.twitter.com/BuffaloSabres/status/1627390060122480640
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Eric the Mauve posted:Realistically it doesn't matter what the Penguins do because they're an 8 seed battler with the oldest roster in the NHL and no prospects in the AHL. If cleaning out the last forgotten pack of crackers in the far dusty reaches of the cupboard in a last effort to maybe if everything breaks right reach the second round really turns you on then cool I guess. It doesn't do anything for me, the team is about to totally collapse and at this point I'd rather they keep their draft picks to start rebuilding with. You can't do a rebuild as such with all the veteran players they have signed to long term deals. You could do a retool where you hold onto most of your picks and prospects while still ostensibly trying to win. That seems to be the route they've chosen where Hextall isn't going to move most of their top assets unless it's for a player they feel can help them in the future. First rounders or top prospects for rentals seems like something Hextall does not want to do.
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Eric the Mauve posted:Crosby/Geno/Tanger era was A++++. It's over and it's time to get the rebuild started IMO. I’m sure it’ll be easy to move 30 year old Rust & Rackell’s 6-year contracts for assets
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If you're asking me whether I'd rather have a semblance of fun now or a cabinet full of Owen Pickerings, let me have the fun Crosby, Malkin, Guentzel, and Letang are still super good players, arguably top 10 in their positions still (Maybe not Malkin and Letang but eh) there is never a guarantee you will have a roster that can make a go of it in the future, regardless of how many draft picks you have. You've got to try while you can Good Soldier Svejk fucked around with this message at 23:54 on Feb 19, 2023 |
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The Pens can't trade anything because they are cap strapped. You would have to trade what little prospects you have (on a team tied for last place in their division in the AHL) along with a 1st and second to dump salary from someone like Dumo to hope you maybe get slightly better.
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Everyone in the NHL other than maybe Carolina or Vegas and now potentially Colorado is in a money in money out situation. That's a dogshit excuse. There is a litany of bottom 6 upgrades sub 3 million dollars before half retained for any number of teams to shop for. Teddy Blueger makes 2.2 million. Archibald is north of a million. Kapanen is 3.2. Heinen barely plays and makes a million. Assuming 50% retained on any rental and you can start by looking at the above players and double their salary. Of course that's before discussions on the draft picks going the other way. I would consider moving Petterson and playing Smith. Who knows what that might net you.
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Dumo has a strong enough NTC that he isn't going anywhere, even in the event the team wants to move him (which all available evidence is they don't). Carter also has a full NMC. The only tradeable players on their roster making significant money are Kapanen (they'd probably have to attach an asset to move him), McGinn (see Kapanen), Blueger, and Pettersson (no way in hell they can move him unless it's part of a trade for a better LD). Realistically any trade for a vet is almost certainly going to include Blueger going the other way. Dumo and Zucker are both coming off the books this summer totaling $9.6M of space. They will presumably let Dumo walk so as to carve out the space to re-sign Jarry who is also a pending UFA, and try to re-sign Zucker. Or maybe it'll be the other way around I dunno the vets really adore Dumo. The Pens are one of many teams that bet hard on the cap significantly rising in the coming years, but with the bursting of the RSN bubble that isn't happening anytime soon. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Feb 20, 2023 |
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Simplex posted:The Edmonton Oilers are loving embarrassing. no you see this year is different
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The Pens are on tract for 7th not 8th and the glaring issue to paper over all the cracks is a 3C that doesn't suck rear end. Which has always been an issue going back to Bonino leaving. Great news. He's available and cheap in terms of cap $. If I wanted to ask for a pony on top of that it would be an actual 3rd line wing contributor that doesn't suck loving rear end instead of Kapanen. Move Kapanen for a Hagelin clone that actually gets zone exits and drives play. There you go now you don't notice Dumo 'cause he isn't in his own zone. Add a 3c that ACTUALLY loving SCORES BECAUSE HOLY poo poo CARTER AND BLUEGER HAVE SOME OF THE ABSOLUTELY WORST SCORING NUMBERS IN THE LEAGUE and bingo bango team fixed. Like compare the suppression numbers of Carter/Blueger 5v5 and they're fine. Middle of the league. Their goals for split is abysmal because they can not for the life of them score. Kapanan was retained, I assume, because people think because he's 'fast' he can skate for other players. These people are wrong. Kapanen is a vampire of offense. He sucks alllllllllllll of the life out of the play and maybe scores. Years past his xG has been 'fine'. This year it's awful because the other players he has been playing with can no longer provide for him. The biggest thing the Pens need is a Evan Rodrigues type player. If they add 2 of that type of player the transformation will be night and day. Don't even need to touch the defense. Just tell them to chip the puck off the glass on zone exits and have the forwards chase. Problem solved where is my loving check Hextall you gently caress.
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East playoff race is looking pretty fun. TB and NYR have 10 point leads on the 4th place team in each division, but there’s 7 teams that appear to be realistically competitive for the two wild card spots. Isles have the WC2 right now, but they’re only 1 point up on both Washington and Florida, with about the same numbers of games played. Meanwhile, the Sabres, Wings, and Senators are all only 3-5 points back, but each of those teams has 4 or 5 games in hand on the Isles.
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bub spank posted:East playoff race is looking pretty fun. TB and NYR have 10 point leads on the 4th place team in each division, but there’s 7 teams that appear to be realistically competitive for the two wild card spots. The East is so lopsided. Six legit good teams and the rest of the conference sucks. I feel like whoever makes it to the top of the poo poo heap for the wildcards is just going to get run over by Boston and Carolina.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:The East is so lopsided. Six legit good teams and the rest of the conference sucks. I feel like whoever makes it to the top of the poo poo heap for the wildcards is just going to get run over by Boston and Carolina. This is prime territory for one or both of Boston and Carolina to get swept.
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Hand Knit posted:This is prime territory for one or both of Boston and Carolina to get swept. Yeah I thought about that too. Everyone remembers the Blue Jackets doing that to the Lightning, but the Blue Jackets were a 98 point team. They were underdogs for sure, but not bad. The wild card teams this year are legit bad. There's a bigger gap between Boston and the Islanders than there is between the Islanders and the last place Blackhawks.
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