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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:I watched Nemesis for the first time the other night and tbh I didn’t hate it. It’s not good, but none of the TNG movies are except for First Contact. It certainly wasn’t worse than Generations or Insurrection. At this point with our collective expectations lowered, and the damage to the franchise already being done, yeah, it's probably not terrible. I think it's still extremely fair to see it as a nail in the coffin for that era, though.
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First Contact was the only TNG movie that managed a villain that anyone gave a poo poo about. Star Trek VI: the crowd hooting and hollering in celebration when Chang finally gets a torpedo to the face Star Trek Nemesis: some guy shouting "Uh oh, better get Maaco!" in the theater and everyone laughing when the Ent-F comedically rams the Cloakyship. Nemesis writers watching Picard S3 and kicking themselves for not having made Shinzon Picard's secret love child, Jock Crusher.
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Feb 24, 2023 15:55
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How is it possible that we have endless Star Trek reboots and nobody has thought to launch a series with a fake out where we think that O'Brien is a ship's captain in the opening screen.
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Feb 24, 2023 16:07
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He would never; he works for a living.
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Feb 24, 2023 16:14
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Prurient Squid posted:How is it possible that we have endless Star Trek reboots and nobody has thought to launch a series with a fake out where we think that O'Brien is a ship's captain in the opening screen. this is less plausible than moriarity returning
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Feb 24, 2023 16:17
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Beeftweeter posted:this is less plausible than moriarity returning Have….have you seen the trailers for S3?
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Feb 24, 2023 16:20
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HD DAD posted:Have….have you seen the trailers for S3? unfortunately they seem to be setting it up with the whole "fleet museum" thing, so i guess it makes sense if you ignore the enterprise-d saucer crashing into a planet from orbit
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Feb 24, 2023 16:28
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Museum ship with a reproduction saucer. If you go to see the Brig Niagara from the Battle of Lake Erie, you get to see a literal ship of Theseus.
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Feb 24, 2023 16:36
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I'm watching the Red Letter Media Nemesis review and I've got to the part with the shot by shot comparisons of Shinzon and Dr Evil.
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Feb 24, 2023 16:37
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Sash! posted:Museum ship with a reproduction saucer. that could make sense too, but then how did the holoprogram survive? in TNG they just trap moriarity in a battery basically, he doesn't actually leave imo the only explanation that makes something resembling sense is that the saucer survived and was recovered, but that seems... also very unlikely, given what we are shown in generations (but it's been a while since i've seen it and paramount pulled it from plus, so)
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Feb 24, 2023 16:47
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It'd be a hell of a thing to leave lying around for the pre-warp people to stumble on. They probably sent some Starfleet MiB to scrap it and rake over the big gouge it left.
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Feb 24, 2023 16:51
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CPColin posted:It'd be a hell of a thing to leave lying around for the pre-warp people to stumble on. They probably sent some Starfleet MiB to scrap it and rake over the big gouge it left. lol yeah that's actually a pretty good point but given that the dominion war kicks off shortly(?) afterwards, and starfleet gets their poo poo thoroughly wrecked, it doesn't seem like a plausible explanation to me. why spend time and effort restoring what is essentially just another galaxy class ship? if they were to do that i think they'd put it into service considering the manpower shortage (and later utopia planetia blowing up) yeah yeah it's a tv show and matalas wanted everyone on the great space liner of the galaxy, but it at least used to make logical sense, even if it was contrived
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Feb 24, 2023 17:12
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Beeftweeter posted:but given that the dominion war kicks off shortly(?) afterwards, and starfleet gets their poo poo thoroughly wrecked, it doesn't seem like a plausible explanation to me. why spend time and effort restoring what is essentially just another galaxy class ship? if they were to do that i think they'd put it into service considering the manpower shortage (and later utopia planetia blowing up) There's a bit more than two years between the crash of the Enterprise-D and the evacuation of DS9 and beginning of the Dominion War. I could see them reclaiming the saucer immediately, but then just leaving it in mothballs as efforts move toward preparing for, and then being in, the war. Pressing it back into service might be harder than just building a new Galaxy-class from scratch, since you'd need to build a new stardrive section to begin with and then rebuild any part of the saucer that's no longer spaceworthy.
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Feb 24, 2023 17:18
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disaster pastor posted:There's a bit more than two years between the crash of the Enterprise-D and the evacuation of DS9 and beginning of the Dominion War. I could see them reclaiming the saucer immediately, but then just leaving it in mothballs as efforts move toward preparing for, and then being in, the war. Pressing it back into service might be harder than just building a new Galaxy-class from scratch, since you'd need to build a new stardrive section to begin with and then rebuild any part of the saucer that's no longer spaceworthy. yeah, thinking about it more recovering it is not much of a stretch of the imagination in a universe where transporters exist. it just seems like an answer to a question nobody asked though — we're given three entire movies to show that the D is gone and everyone has essentially moved on to the E. it kind of feels like, "whenever picard and riker are on screen, people should be asking 'where's the enterprise D?'" at the same time this seemingly gives geordi something to do (presumably after he also retired, but who knows) and is a convenient plot device, but still
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Feb 24, 2023 17:29
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There should have been a couple Galaxy stardrive sections whizzing around during the Dominion war, having either dumped off their saucers or had them destroyed in battle
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Feb 24, 2023 17:38
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CPColin posted:There should have been a couple Galaxy stardrive sections whizzing around during the Dominion war, having either dumped off their saucers or had them destroyed in battle I'm with you, although IMO we shouldn't have seen nearly so many Galaxies in the first place
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Feb 24, 2023 17:53
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CPColin posted:There should have been a couple Galaxy stardrive sections whizzing around during the Dominion war, having either dumped off their saucers or had them destroyed in battle since saucer separation is supposed to be routine in emergency situations, this makes sense to me. i think it also makes sense that they'd just bolt a (presumably pretty old!) saucer on to a stardrive section they found with the crew dead or whatever if they had a shortage in wartime. why just keep it mothballed?
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Feb 24, 2023 17:54
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Do you suppose Galaxy class ships ever swap saucers with each other in an attempt to "spice things up" when their continuing missions have gotten a little too comfortable and beige?
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Feb 24, 2023 18:07
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Powered Descent posted:Do you suppose Galaxy class ships ever swap saucers with each other in an attempt to "spice things up" when their continuing missions have gotten a little too comfortable and beige? Self-destruct authorization party
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Feb 24, 2023 18:08
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Utopia Planitia probably made all the latching points unique to each ship so rowdy captains wouldn't get any ideas
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Feb 24, 2023 18:09
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Powered Descent posted:Do you suppose Galaxy class ships ever swap saucers with each other in an attempt to "spice things up" when their continuing missions have gotten a little too comfortable and beige? "Okay, everyone drop your command codes into this fishbowl when you beam in."
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Feb 24, 2023 18:18
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Sash! posted:The Ferengi are the only ones actually having any fun in life because everyone else has a tritanium rod up their rear end, is a space Nazi, or both. Everyone we see on the show is inherently some kind of doofus, needy weirdo, or otherwise has something Up with them that they would choose a toiling life in space over eating replicated gourmet meals and doing whatever the hell you want in your playstation holo room... Where you could still toil in space if you wanted to.
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Feb 24, 2023 18:32
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Khanstant posted:Everyone we see on the show is inherently some kind of doofus, needy weirdo, or otherwise has something Up with them that they would choose a toiling life in space over eating replicated gourmet meals and doing whatever the hell you want in your playstation holo room... Where you could still toil in space if you wanted to. The people that have it worked out are the research academics that get to hitch a ride on Federation ships, they get all the good bits of exploring strange new worlds or whatever with far less pointless military poo poo and risk of disintergration.
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Feb 24, 2023 18:44
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Beeftweeter posted:unfortunately In LDS they already showed the ship museum with Ent-D saucer fished out from the planet and refitted to age-appropriate secondary hull. They also had a replica of Ent-A that Kirk blew up.
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Feb 24, 2023 18:53
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Without the saucer you're losing out on two big phaser strips though.
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Feb 24, 2023 18:55
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The Ferengi are the only people that are like "hello, can I interest you in some gambling and drinking? If that doesn't, can I suggest some drugs and interactive porn? Hookers? Guns?" Basically, their nation anthem should be Welcome to the Jungle, assuming Guns N' Roses survived the atomic wars.
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Feb 24, 2023 18:56
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I'm sure there's a plenty of young roguish captain out there to be blasting whatever buttrock jams of the past, no band left behind
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Feb 24, 2023 19:22
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Der Kyhe posted:In LDS they already showed the ship museum with Ent-D saucer fished out from the planet and refitted to age-appropriate secondary hull. They also had a replica of Ent-A that Kirk blew up. Wait, what episode did we see that in?
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Feb 24, 2023 19:41
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Boxturret posted:Without the saucer you're losing out on two big phaser strips though. I don't think it was ever stated in the show that bigger strip = better/more powerful. Was that even mentioned in the TNG tech manual? I feel like that's one of those fanon things
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Feb 24, 2023 19:42
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Der Kyhe posted:In LDS they already showed the ship museum with Ent-D saucer fished out from the planet and refitted to age-appropriate secondary hull. They also had a replica of Ent-A that Kirk blew up. Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Wait, what episode did we see that in? lol i also just assumed i missed this. admittedly i hadn't really given lower decks my full attention while i was watching it this is the weekend however 
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Well I've watched the entire first series of TOS. It was terribly interesting, but way too much time has passed since its initial broadcast and its impact on the intervening time is too enormous to accurately judge it on its merits or flaws, I think. It was wildly uneven, and I was surprised by a number of things - how much of it is reused in movies and TNG, that Chekhov wasn't there from the start, how much Shatner hammed it up from scene one... I feel lucky to have watched TNG first when I was young, as now it feels like that was the "let's do this show but properly this time" version of TOS. I also have come to the conclusion that the only possible reading of Kirk and Spock's relationship is that they are lovers. Look forward to start the second series, but I'll take a break for now.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Wait, what episode did we see that in? Actually, that is a very good question. I am 100% certain that one episode started at a ship exhibit in a museum starbase, where different historically important ships some Enterprises included, were parked on the dome rim. But now that I am trying to find it there is no evidence it exists. I even remember seeing pre-episode teaser tweets of it in Twitter. Did I Mandela effect myself or what the hell is going on?
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Obviously, you've come across from a parallel timeline. Please go back, get copies of the LDS episodes from there, and bring them back for us.
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Feb 24, 2023 19:49
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I don't think it was ever stated in the show that bigger strip = better/more powerful. Was that even mentioned in the TNG tech manual? I feel like that's one of those fanon things
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Feb 24, 2023 19:58
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Obviously, you've come across from a parallel timeline. It is actually a bit alarming because if I could draw for poo poo I would draw that publicity photo I have in mind, where they were towing the last ships to place. I remember also a discussion here somewhere over if they have Ent-C included, and someone identified it from a nacelle that was maybe fifty pixels in that picture, almost out of frame. Probably was just some Star Trek day promo picture for LDS I am misremembering. Anyway, being alternative timeline, shouldn't I bring back the Good TNG movies, and excellent versions of Disco and Picard instead? If this works how it usually does, LDS is poo poo there and everybody wants SNW to die after the first season.
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Der Kyhe posted:Actually, that is a very good question. That sounds more like Picard S2E1 than anything in Lower Decks
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Obviously, you've come across from a parallel timeline. Apparently the source is a commemorative plaque in the background of an episode of Picard Season 2. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Fleet_Museum
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Der Kyhe posted:Anyway, being alternative timeline, shouldn't I bring back the Good TNG movies, and excellent versions of Disco and Picard instead? If this works how it usually does, LDS is poo poo there and everybody wants SNW to die after the first season. Look, I think its nice you want to find the universe of the good disco and picard, but don't you think its a bit morbid to go sliding around every which way just to find the universe where JJ Abrams fell down a mystery hole and died as a kid?
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Penitent posted:Apparently the source is a commemorative plaque in the background of an episode of Picard Season 2. Ah, so it was Picard all along. I really should have paid more attention on watching that, but then again I would have paid attention watching PIC season 2. Anyway, they fished out the disc of Ent-D from Veridian III and even with PIC not LDS it is still canon.
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Der Kyhe posted:Ah, so it was Picard all along. I really should have paid more attention on watching that, but then again I would have paid attention watching PIC season 2. I don't even think the D's plaque was on screen in Picard Season 2, and if it was it was probably visible for like three seconds and not from an angle that any of its text would even be legible anyway.
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