Irony Be My Shield posted:

I don't know but I'm still leaning Russia, as an attempt to drive a wedge between NATO allies. If Putin just let the US destroy his pipeline with no response then he's far more cucked than any European

Jimlit posted:

Nah we just think of Russia fire bombing whole cities in Syria and it evens out.

Budzilla posted:

How did I defend the QE? I pointed out how woeful Russian military procurement is. I thought using a ramp based non-nuclear carrier that fields the runt of the F-35 litter to be a good example of how much Russia sucks at modern equipment.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Lostconfused posted:

Oh and the other thing Murz talked about is how the russian army is "too wasteful".

That their artillery crews would just leave some unspent shells lying around when leaving their positions. So some officer from LNR would go around collecting them in the morning because well the militias are always low on everything.

Jimlit posted:

Nah we just think of Russia fire bombing whole cities in Syria and it evens out.

Al-Saqr posted:

where was the f-35 tested in actual dog fighting combat for you to make this claim.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Budzilla posted:

non-nuclear carrier

Budzilla posted:

"artisanally-made western military materiel" wtf?

I came into this thread a week ago to see posters here getting harder than granite over Russian aircraft like the Su-57 and Su-75 and how great they are and I poo poo it up by pointing out that

https://twitter.com/AlexHollings52/status/1576003763675856896

Get this. The F-35 has an availability rate of ~55%(lol). Let's just say an even 50%. The QE aircraft carrier can carry 36 F-35Bs at any 1 time. This means that on average there are 3 less F-35s that are available to fly on a single carrier at this very moment than Su-57 Felons(only 21 made including prototypes) in existence. This is assuming that the Su-57 has a 100% availability rate. So a single QE carrier can go toe to toe with the entire Russian 5th Gen fleet. The F-35 is a mass produced product that is very complicated to produce.

The F-35 might suck rear end and a lot of it. But compared to other military projects in Russia there is something to show for it. Look at the T-14. Russia was expecting to field 2000+ T-14s mid this decade and they have been reduced to putting commercially available thermals on T-62s. Doesn't this tell you something?

AnimeIsTrash posted:

speng31b posted:

your gimmick works best when you're making deranged comparisons to slavery imo, you should think up more of these

Irony Be My Shield posted:

In the same way that the American Civil War was about states' rights (specifically, the right for states to allow slavery) the Russian War of Aggression is about NATO expansion (because NATO membership would prevent Putin from achieving his imperial ambitions in Ukraine).

fanfic insert posted:

It tells me that Russia doesn't sink endless amount of money into its military projects because they don't plan to conquer and dominate the world, like the US does, and only engages in conflicts in their proximity which they find vital to their own, or their allies, independence, while also not having a for-profit military industrial complex but rather a mostly state owned one originally meant to mainly be a deterrence.

Frosted Flake posted:

New great book about this I have on order. Would it shock you to know there's a lot of race science and orientalism at work in how Sun Tsu is (mis)understood, even among western staff officers?

Regarde Aduck posted:

I move that we consider jimlit to be gbs's best and brightest

Isizzlehorn posted:

Better hope the QE delivery* to Ukraine full of F35's gets bankrolled by the IMF I guess

*pending dry weather

VorpalFish posted:

Kinda seems like that's not true, as they are actively engaged in trying to conquer and dominate the world right now.

Jel Shaker posted:

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace recently admitted that the Army had been “hollowed out”, after claims from an American general that the UK was no longer a top-tier fighting force.

According to Sky News, the US general privately told Mr Wallace: “You haven’t got a tier one — it’s barely tier two.”

France has also raised concerns about the state of the British Armed Forces, saying budget cuts were causing alarm among Nato members.

The UK has donated a large amount of weapons to Ukraine for its fight against Russia, including Sea King helicopters, artillery shells and 14 Challenger 2 tanks. Most recently it became the first country to commit long-range weapons.

Lord West said the war in Ukraine had affected worldwide munitions supply chains but the government had settled into a policy of ordering weapons when they were needed to save money.

“‘Just-in-time’ is the mantra because it means you can cut right down on other things,” he said.

“The problem is you have absolutely no resilience whatsoever. If something goes wrong, if something changes, you’ve got a real problem.

“That’s been the problem. It has been just enough, just-in-time, and that’s not a very clever way of doing stuff within the military.”

1stGear posted:

ukraine is not the world

kronix posted:

I too get my information about the F35 from Esquire articles from half a decade ago.

kronix posted:

Show me a country with a Roma population in Western Europe and I’ll show you a country that treats them like poo poo. Show me where you advocate the US cutting off ties with France or Spain? Two countries with absolutely abysmal records of abuse that continues to this day.

I do give a poo poo about all of it, it’s just fun to call out hypocrites that can’t shut the gently caress up about Azov but don’t have nearly as much Enthusiasm about the Wagner group.

kronix posted:

You do realize that a lot of Ukrainian refugees are immediately employable and already speak English right?

I’m not saying that there isn’t a bit of white refugees good, brown ones bad but if you don’t think there’s a massive difference between a farmer from Afghanistan and Ukrainian refugee who was up until 2 months ago working for a tech company I dunno what to tell you.

Irony Be My Shield posted:

I don't know but I'm still leaning Russia, as an attempt to drive a wedge between NATO allies. If Putin just let the US destroy his pipeline with no response then he's far more cucked than any European

Dreylad posted:

never been in the military and only rubbed elbows with a few staff people ever but it always struck me that a lot of the worship around military philosophers like sun tzu tends to be post-hoc rationalizations of stuff they already believe or want to push anyway based either on their own personal ideas about warfare or actual combat experience, not the other way around.

I guess that's what the book is arguing so it's good to see someone else point it out, because sun tzu and co rarely seem to come up when it comes to actual operational planning let alone the guys working on the troop transport timelines or some poor NCO in a trench.

Regarde Aduck posted:

Well where do we get information about it now?

VorpalFish posted:

Kinda seems like that's not true, as they are actively engaged in trying to conquer and dominate the world right now.

Regarde Aduck posted:

Well where do we get information about it now?

VorpalFish posted:

Kinda seems like that's not true, as they are actively engaged in trying to conquer and dominate the world right now.

gradenko_2000 posted:

The LazerPig youtube channel

Regarde Aduck posted:

Dude think of all the unsecured pipelines and communication cables all over the planet

The reason countries don't gently caress around with these all the time is because of repercussions, not because they have little underwater guard posts

And I mean natural repercussions, like wrecking cheap access to a resource that your ally relies on for most of its industry. Luckily for the US the EU is not currently rational and either doesn't care or doesn't know its being cannibalised by the hegemony.