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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

GSV gently caress Your God posted:

I laughed in particular at this:

In response to Maidan and losing a state which it viewed as being within its sphere of influence, Russia seized parts of Ukraine and created this enemy (an enemy that would alter prove intractable when they went for the whole pie) on its doorstep. I view this point as politely saying "our ally was disastrously stupid".

It’s also forgetting that Russia also views it as giant culture clash too. Half of their poo poo are just my chud uncles Facebook screeds about gay people or blacks or permissive satanic media.

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RDM
Apr 6, 2009

I LOVE FINLAND AND ESPECIALLY FINLAND'S MILITARY ALLIANCES, GOOGLE FINLAND WORLD WAR 2 FOR MORE INFORMATION SLAVA UKRANI

GSV gently caress Your God posted:

I laughed in particular at this:

In response to Maidan and losing a state which it viewed as being within its sphere of influence, Russia seized parts of Ukraine and created this enemy (an enemy that would alter prove intractable when they went for the whole pie) on its doorstep. I view this point as politely saying "our ally was disastrously stupid".
Yeah, this war has so many geopolitical equivalents of "but did you see how Ukraine was dressed".

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

RDM posted:

Yeah, this war has so many geopolitical equivalents of "but did you see how Ukraine was dressed".

I wish this was an oversimplified comparison but after rereading a bunch of the invasion apologism between the invasion and now ... it's bizarrely on point

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

Nenonen posted:

They're thermobaric rocket launchers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPO-A_Shmel

e: here's a video showing it in action in Mariupol. There's no visible gore on the video, but I recall that in another video they showed the results from close up - a group of Russian footmen who were between the BMP and the stone fence all died, so be warned :nws:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A1FzlHBWPU

Shmel is a Russian favorite for resolving hostage situations

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

fatherboxx posted:

Shmel is a Russian favorite for resolving hostage situations

Shmels like teen spirits!

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Owling Howl
Jul 17, 2019

RDM posted:

Yeah, this war has so many geopolitical equivalents of "but did you see how Ukraine was dressed".

And "He's no angel".

Coquito Ergo Sum
Feb 9, 2021

Nenonen posted:

They're thermobaric rocket launchers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPO-A_Shmel

It comes up every once in a while, but they do have incendiary pyrogel warheads in addition to the thermobaric ones.

Quixzlizx
Jan 7, 2007

ronya posted:

https://twitter.com/niubi/status/1629874706764447748

Full court press on the hegemony thesis - mostly rehashing the same themes

The only chance the authoritarian powers had of driving a permanent wedge between the US and Europe that wasn't the result of a catastrophic Trumpian tantrum was the "economic interdependence will inevitably lead to peace and stability" theory, which Putin nuked from orbit. And even if Putin hadn't, China would've once they invaded Taiwan.

Does the CCP not realize that liberal democracies (regardless of how self-righteously hypocritical one finds them) see it (and Putin's Russia) as ideologically abhorrent? I don't think "ackshually, the US are the real baddies in Ukraine" is going to do anything other than preach to the choir, unless this article is meant for global south and not EU consumption.

bad_fmr
Nov 28, 2007

fatherboxx posted:

Shmel is a Russian favorite for resolving hostage situations

Also carfentanil.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

Russian AWACs plane had a mysterious mishap in Belarus.

https://twitter.com/Hajun_BY/status/1629892963596742660

the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

Deteriorata posted:

Russian AWACs plane had a mysterious mishap in Belarus.

https://twitter.com/Hajun_BY/status/1629892963596742660

Some Russian channels are reporting this mishap was Ukraine's action and Belarus must respond accordingly.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

the popes toes posted:

Some Russian channels are reporting this mishap was Ukraine's action and Belarus must respond accordingly.

I'm sure Luka will respond similarly to the other 800 calls for action against Ukraine.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

the popes toes posted:

Some Russian channels are reporting this mishap was Ukraine's action and Belarus must respond accordingly.

Luka: I promise to go to total war with Ukraine until they do not have a single airborne early warning aircraft of their own left. Also, mission accomplished, the war is now over.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Deteriorata posted:

Russian AWACs plane had a mysterious mishap in Belarus.

https://twitter.com/Hajun_BY/status/1629892963596742660

According to Pravda, this was a drone attack by local partisans, in the works for months. https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/02/26/7391117/

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



cinci zoo sniper posted:

According to Pravda, this was a drone attack by local partisans, in the works for months. https://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2023/02/26/7391117/

Luka: I can’t help with Ukraine right now, I’ve got partisans to deal with!!!

Seriously though, the man has danced on the world’s thinnest tightrope for a year now re: Ukraine.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
How many such AWACS planes does Russia have?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Discendo Vox posted:

How many such AWACS planes does Russia have?

A few dozens manufactured, but less than a dozen A-50U modernized variants. If this were an A-50U, there would be some incredibly angry people out there today.

kemikalkadet
Sep 16, 2012

:woof:

Discendo Vox posted:

How many such AWACS planes does Russia have?

9 according to that Pravda article.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




kemikalkadet posted:

9 according to that Pravda article.

To be noted, they're the only one's pronouncing that number – one of their Belarus sources more specifically. I'm not sure where that number is from, and I can't find anything to confirm their numbers for how many are in use (instead of manufactured total, which is a bit more accessible and allows us to guess a fair upper cap), or that the serial number they mention corresponds to an U model.

Deteriorata
Feb 6, 2005

cinci zoo sniper posted:

To be noted, they're the only one's pronouncing that number – one of their Belarus sources more specifically. I'm not sure where that number is from, and I can't find anything to confirm their numbers for how many are in use (instead of manufactured total, which is a bit more accessible and allows us to guess a fair upper cap), or that the serial number they mention corresponds to an U model.

Wikipedia says they have 15. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Russian_military_aircraft

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013





Hmm, that seems to be A-50, A-50U, and A-100 combined, and the source is some kind of Embraer marketing. Why not, I guess, cheers. Some is pissed then even if this isn't A-50U.

confused
Oct 3, 2003

It's just business.

Icon Of Sin posted:

Luka: I can’t help with Ukraine right now, I’ve got partisans to deal with!!!

Seriously though, the man has danced on the world’s thinnest tightrope for a year now re: Ukraine.

He does seem very adept at doing that. Besides threatening to invade, what other hooks does Putin have in him? Like what material support does Russia supply his government?

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

Owling Howl posted:

And "He's no angel".

Considering the "anti-imperialists" saying these sorts of things, my more favored comparison is something along the lines of "You support Palestinians? Well, how about that Hamas :smuggo:"

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008


The non-U versions were introduced in 1985, and 6 at that list are one-offs intended for some specific role or export versions. Regardless of if its modernized or not, someone is getting fired for storing a working condition plane in an airfield where drone attacks can happen, partisans or not.

vvvv so far only Ukrainian government media and C-tier news sites have reported the loss of plane, or explosions at the airfield. Remains to be seen if this actually happened, and if something did explode, what it was.

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Feb 26, 2023

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Deteriorata posted:

Russian AWACs plane had a mysterious mishap in Belarus.

https://twitter.com/Hajun_BY/status/1629892963596742660

Yeah, I just heard about this, but wasn't sure if this guy was legit, despite having a legacy blue checkmark and being an advisor to Belarus' exiled President.

https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1629940348515500037?s=20

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>
https://www.president.gov.ua/documents/1132023-45961

hard to not notice the timing of that, but who they replace him with will be the more revealing thing

je1 healthcare
Sep 29, 2015

GABA ghoul posted:

Hell, same. You can say a lot of things about GBS posters but none of them think the abduction and murder of my family members during the great terror was funny and well deserved. And I respect that in people. It's a strong sign of a non-sociopathic personality.

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Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


Young Freud posted:

Yeah, I just heard about this, but wasn't sure if this guy was legit, despite having a legacy blue checkmark and being an advisor to Belarus' exiled President.

https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1629940348515500037?s=20

the pro-RU telegram channel 'fighterbomber' which has confirmed Russian aviation losses in the past (and also been the source for some footage not found elsewhere) initially said that no A-50s were harmed today, but later amended his post

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

cinci zoo sniper posted:

A few dozens manufactured, but less than a dozen A-50U modernized variants. If this were an A-50U, there would be some incredibly angry people out there today.

Also some very happy ones. That is a smart target if you only have one shot at an airbase.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Ynglaur posted:

Also some very happy ones. That is a smart target if you only have one shot at an airbase.

That goes without saying, there are no small or unimportant AEW&C assets.

Paracausal
Sep 5, 2011

Oh yeah, baby. Frame your suffering as a masterpiece. Only one problem - no one's watching. It's boring, buddy, boring as death.
Further investigation and exhumation regarding Russian war crimes are revealing the depth of brutality visited upon innocent people.
https://twitter.com/Lyla_lilas/status/1629906366163742720?t=yNFibdK9TXGtMc1lOFyJsQ&s=19

Absolutely shameful.

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

This one? (It starts with avocados, but eventually meanders over to the mining machines that ended up being outsourced to the Czech Republic.)
https://twitter.com/kamilkazani/status/1501360272442896388?lang=en

That was it and lol what a ride, especially with the whole element of "tiers of things a mafia can do versus what it can delegate"

GSV Fuck Your God
Aug 27, 2003

small-l liberalism
Also, from that Global Times article was this line, which was, in euphamism, lamenting that the Ukrainian people had as much popular will to defend themselves as they do:

quote:

For a year, the people of Ukraine and Europe have been suffering, but the rising calls for a cease-fire have not deterred the US from insisting on "fighting to the last Ukrainian." The harsh reality in the past year has given the world a clearer understanding of the US' hegemonic narrative.

Gee whiz, wonder why that could be:

Paracausal posted:

Further investigation and exhumation regarding Russian war crimes are revealing the depth of brutality visited upon innocent people.
https://twitter.com/Lyla_lilas/status/1629906366163742720?t=yNFibdK9TXGtMc1lOFyJsQ&s=19

Absolutely shameful.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
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He does seem very adept at doing that. Besides threatening to invade, what other hooks does Putin have love to expand the union state but you know I really must also play to Europe for the economy... but if perhaps you could help a bit..."

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

cinci zoo sniper posted:

There's been a lot of recent coverage about the 1-year anniversary of this war, including a fair bit of great photography. All links are :nms: for reasons ranging from corpses and wounds to the sheer desolation of the war, but I can only recommend sitting down with all of this for a cup of coffee or two, if you've followed the war closely.

https://www.lsm.lv/raksts/zinas/arzemes/ukrainas-kara-52-nedelas-52-fotografijas.a498029/
https://www.ft.com/content/2cb05b02-a9dc-497c-b926-51bb291e7d3b
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2023-02-23/russia-s-invasion-of-ukraine-a-political-year-in-photos

the Roman Bordun ones are insanely good

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
Lev Parnas has an article in TIME. No new information, but it's interesting to see the messaging he's putting forward on himself (from prison, no less):

How My Work For Trump and Giuliani Sought to Make Ukraine Defenseless

Sorry, no quotes; I've got the print version onhand, and I don't have a clear way to log into my TIME account atm.

edit: and a few pages later, a much more in depth report, a special investigation of the treatment of the population of Yahidne as Russian prisoners- 360 people kept in the basement of a local school, a story we've heard before.

Inside the Basement Where an Entire Ukrainian Village Spent a Harrowing Month in Captivity

The TIME site also has video from inside the basement.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Feb 27, 2023

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

GSV gently caress Your God posted:

I laughed in particular at this:

In response to Maidan and losing a state which it viewed as being within its sphere of influence, Russia seized parts of Ukraine and created this enemy (an enemy that would alter prove intractable when they went for the whole pie) on its doorstep. I view this point as politely saying "our ally was disastrously stupid".

Its pretty odd the way that these articles don't really give much weight to the notion that in the event that the West was creating some kind of Wile E. Coyote Acme trap to goad the Russians into invading Ukraine so they can drop an anvil on them, the surest way for the Russians to avoid such a dastardly plan is to... simply not invade.

But then maybe this is why I'm not in charge of the most powerful countries on Earth.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

khwarezm posted:

Its pretty odd the way that these articles don't really give much weight to the notion that in the event that the West was creating some kind of Wile E. Coyote Acme trap to goad the Russians into invading Ukraine so they can drop an anvil on them, the surest way for the Russians to avoid such a dastardly plan is to... simply not invade.

But then maybe this is why I'm not in charge of the most powerful countries on Earth.

There's a strange "leftist" school of thought that states only America truly has agency in world politics and every other government essentially only ever reacts to American stimulus. It's not phrased this way but that's what, when you strip away all the cruft and phraseology and caveats, they're actually saying. The arguments you're talking about come from this school of thought.

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

There's a strange "leftist" school of thought that states only America truly has agency in world politics and every other government essentially only ever reacts to American stimulus. It's not phrased this way but that's what, when you strip away all the cruft and phraseology and caveats, they're actually saying. The arguments you're talking about come from this school of thought.

I think it comes from looking at aspects of hardcore realism and saying "ah, neat, this serves my purposes" without checking the WARNING: BASICALLY FASCISM label.

Mixed in with the usual fact that lots of Americans don't actually examine the problem with our baked in exceptionalism so much as just turn it on it's head and go from there.

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the popes toes
Oct 10, 2004

khwarezm posted:

Its pretty odd the way that these articles don't really give much weight to the notion that in the event that the West was creating some kind of Wile E. Coyote Acme trap to goad the Russians into invading Ukraine so they can drop an anvil on them, the surest way for the Russians to avoid such a dastardly plan is to... simply not invade.

But then maybe this is why I'm not in charge of the most powerful countries on Earth.

I believe the framing is Mr. Putin had no choice. Indeed, he warned the West many times against this political adventure, and so unheeded, he did what he said he would do. The West didn't necessarily trap him as wantonly challenged him. The reasons for the West's goading are various and none of them make the least bit of sense.

All of the notions completely reject Ukraine's agency (the US forced Maidan by machinations) and utterly ignore Ukraine's desire to prosper via a euro model instead of the Russian one. All mentions of sovereignty are brushed aside by the claim that Ukraine is doing the bidding of the US who completely control Ukraine's choices. It's clear, in that framing, that the US interrupted Ukraine's initial peace talks with threats so as to implement their fully developed plan to weaken Russia because "the West wants our x".

It would all be so laughable if people weren't dying by the scores daily and deeply depressing there are US citizens of some influence who no longer believe that democracies challenged by authoritarian brutality should be challenged.

the popes toes fucked around with this message at 02:46 on Feb 27, 2023

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