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UB does lead to kind of awkward situations like not being able to use Hobbit as a creature type because it'll be in the Magic comp rules for the rest of human history
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The Wicked ZOGA posted:UB does lead to kind of awkward situations like not being able to use Hobbit as a creature type because it'll be in the Magic comp rules for the rest of human history Nah, they used Tyranid as a creature type in the 40k one. I imagine it's because there's already halflings from AFR
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Feb 27, 2023 12:22
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I dunno, it feels like GW could have gave permission for that but the Tolkien estate not. I think the number of people who sincerely care about Halfling tribal is probably pretty small
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Feb 27, 2023 12:27
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In LOTR, Halfling is literally the name name for Hobbits used by Men. It's way more good for the game to create tribal synergies than to create yet another narrow creature type that will have only a handful of cards.
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Feb 27, 2023 12:29
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Assuming those are even real--and acknowledging it's a minor convenience sample--I wouldn't mind the LotR set sucking, any downward pressure on price for what's otherwise probably gonna be a pretty high-demand set is fine by me. It'll probably be the first paper product I've bought in 20 years. I like the riddle mechanic on Gollum, seems pretty flavorful. The Frodo is interesting not just in revealing the "tempt" mechanic, but I've been really curious as to how the color pie is gonna be divvied up amongst the characters. To me, "hobbit=green" seems pretty obvious, but considering the outsized presence of Hobbits in LotR, it doesn't seem feasible for about half the cards in the set be green. Judgy Fucker fucked around with this message at 13:45 on Feb 27, 2023 |
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Feb 27, 2023 13:41
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Any half decent curve out from the toxic deck seems fairly unbeatable for mono U. The deck’s just too slow getting on board. Rot priest means your bounce is getting you poisoned, and regardless it’s hardly gaining tempo when all their creatures are so cheap. Plus one drops will very likely get in under your counters. Can’t really complain about the deck, though, cause it was really cheap to craft, and I still have a pretty good win rate overall. The toxic deck just seems pretty popular.
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Feb 27, 2023 14:06
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Judgy Fucker posted:To me, "hobbit=green" seems pretty obvious, but considering the outsized presence of Hobbits in LotR, it doesn't seem feasible for about half the cards in the set be green. Unless they're going heavily into tertiary characters there's 5 hobbits (Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin) compared to about twice that many major humans (Aragorn, Boromir, Faramir, Isildur, Denethor, Eomer, Eowyn, Theodin, Grima, technically the Ring-Wraiths, not actually but in general knowledge Gandalf and Saruman)
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Feb 27, 2023 14:11
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Unless they're going heavily into tertiary characters there's 5 hobbits (Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin) compared to about twice that many major humans (Aragorn, Boromir, Faramir, Isildur, Denethor, Eomer, Eowyn, Theodin, Grima, technically the Ring-Wraiths, not actually but in general knowledge Gandalf and Saruman) Right. Now compare the space the hobbits are given in the books compared to the rest of the characters. Quite literally half of Two Towers and Return of the King are devoted to just two of those five (three if we wanna splash Smeagol as still a hobbit).
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YggdrasilTM posted:The main point of a calzone it is that it is Sounds like a control deck.
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Judgy Fucker posted:Right. Now compare the space the hobbits are given in the books compared to the rest of the characters. Quite literally half of Two Towers and Return of the King are devoted to just two of those five (three if we wanna splash Smeagol as still a hobbit). Yes, no one disagrees they're given the most narrative space and time, dude with a Middle-Earth avatar. However, that isn't generally how MtG sets construct their various casts of characters - unless you think Skrelv, Defector Mite has a ten page backstory devoted to him. R&D will come up with a bunch of different legends and it'll be fine, you won't get 5 different versions of Merry like this is a 90s Decipher CCG.
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as someone who read through the two towers and return of the king, i think frodo and sam could have done with a little bit less narrative space
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Arivia posted:unless you think Skrelv, Defector Mite has a ten page backstory devoted to him. Has or should have
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Who will be a planeswalker in the LotR set
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Kashuno posted:Who will be a planeswalker in the LotR set The Istari + Sauron, maybe
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Kashuno posted:Who will be a planeswalker in the LotR set Either the wizards like Gandalf, or it'll be like 40k and just not have any.
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YggdrasilTM posted:In LOTR, Halfling is literally the name name for Hobbits used by Men. It's way more good for the game to create tribal synergies than to create yet another narrow creature type that will have only a handful of cards. Correct. In the LotR LCG from Fantasy Flight, they use both terms for the same character, and clearly have license for Hobbit. 
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Arivia posted:Yes, no one disagrees they're given the most narrative space and time, dude with a Middle-Earth avatar. However, that isn't generally how MtG sets construct their various casts of characters - unless you think Skrelv, Defector Mite has a ten page backstory devoted to him. R&D will come up with a bunch of different legends and it'll be fine, you won't get 5 different versions of Merry like this is a 90s Decipher CCG. There are cards besides creatures in Magic sets, you know. Instants, sorceries, enchantments, artifacts, lands and battles? Can also reference characters, which circles back to me wondering how the color pie is gonna be divvied up. Also I have no idea how M:TG lore is written, I don’t pay attention to any of that poo poo, I have no idea whether a given legendary has a bunch of story or not, all I know is the flavor text I read on cards. I never would’ve thought “I wonder how they’re gonna handle colors with this totally new to M:TG setting” would’ve resulted in someone trying to low-key dunk on me but oh yeah it’s the Magic thread lol
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Judgy Fucker posted:There are cards besides creatures in Magic sets, you know. Instants, sorceries, enchantments, artifacts, lands and battles? Can also reference characters, which circles back to me wondering how the color pie is gonna be divvied up. Representing a situation involving characters of a given colour doesn't necessarily mean that the associated non-creature spell needs to involve that colour - for example, Gideon is a mono-W planeswalker, but story beats that feature Gideon don't necessarily have to involve white. Rather, it's set by balance and the colour pie which in context is the sort of "essence" of the action. The card "Lead by Example" puts a +1/+1 counter on up to two target creatures. The art features Nissa (G) and Gideon (W). It does a green effect, so the story beat involving Gideon isn't really important. "Unlikely Aid" features Gideon (W) and Rakdos (BR, indeed the definitive BR), but is itself mono-black. The cards with the whole of the Gatewatch on will be either 4 or 5 colours depending if Liliana has gotten involved yet, but stuff like Zendikar Resurgent is still mono G. On top of that, while S+F are present for about 50% of the time in the second and third volumes, a lot of the time the stuff that's happening is being done to them - eg, when they're taken by Faramir that could easily be represented by an O-Ring-like effect, which has generally been mono-W.
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I just want a shelob for my ishkanah commander deck 
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If hobbit weed isn't a card or at least referenced once this set will be an abject failure
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Representing a situation involving characters of a given colour doesn't necessarily mean that the associated non-creature spell needs to involve that colour - for example, Gideon is a mono-W planeswalker, but story beats that feature Gideon don't necessarily have to involve white. Rather, it's set by balance and the colour pie which in context is the sort of "essence" of the action. The card "Lead by Example" puts a +1/+1 counter on up to two target creatures. The art features Nissa (G) and Gideon (W). It does a green effect, so the story beat involving Gideon isn't really important. "Unlikely Aid" features Gideon (W) and Rakdos (BR, indeed the definitive BR), but is itself mono-black. The cards with the whole of the Gatewatch on will be either 4 or 5 colours depending if Liliana has gotten involved yet, but stuff like Zendikar Resurgent is still mono G. All good points, including Sam and Frodo’s parts in the story. Johnny Truant posted:If hobbit weed isn't a card or at least referenced once this set will be an abject failure  Longbottom leaf as a food token that does other stuff, too?
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Representing a situation involving characters of a given colour doesn't necessarily mean that the associated non-creature spell needs to involve that colour - for example, Gideon is a mono-W planeswalker, but story beats that feature Gideon don't necessarily have to involve white. Rather, it's set by balance and the colour pie which in context is the sort of "essence" of the action. The card "Lead by Example" puts a +1/+1 counter on up to two target creatures. The art features Nissa (G) and Gideon (W). It does a green effect, so the story beat involving Gideon isn't really important. "Unlikely Aid" features Gideon (W) and Rakdos (BR, indeed the definitive BR), but is itself mono-black. The cards with the whole of the Gatewatch on will be either 4 or 5 colours depending if Liliana has gotten involved yet, but stuff like Zendikar Resurgent is still mono G.
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Judgy Fucker posted:Right. Now compare the space the hobbits are given in the books compared to the rest of the characters. Quite literally half of Two Towers and Return of the King are devoted to just two of those five (three if we wanna splash Smeagol as still a hobbit). Now I'm thinking of a Meld card between Smeagol and the One Ring that becomes Gollum Also, it would be appropriate for the Nazgul to all have Shadow, but I doubt they'll do that
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Mike N Eich posted:Now I'm thinking of a Meld card between Smeagol and the One Ring that becomes Gollum The One Ring as Mutate card.
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General Morden posted:lol at people getting mad that aragorn is black It's not even new information, they showed off a bunch of art months ago and we already learned that. But whatever, lovely people gonna be lovely.
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Simply Simon posted:All Will Be One is a red card The definitive example of story beat being contrary to the card's colours, for sure
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studio mujahideen posted:i get it. i had a guy play Fight Rigging three turns in a row, and after I countered all three he just conceded I hate Fight Rigging more than control, so I'm gonna say "good"
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Sounds like a control deck. Chicago Style is midrange
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Simply Simon posted:All Will Be One is a red card lovely overcosted myhtic enchantment that's unplayable in constructed or limited is firmly in red's part of the color pie 
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The definitive example of story beat being contrary to the card's colours, for sure I think it's foreshadowing about Urabrask taking over Phyrexia, but the story is mostly bad so it could be nothing.
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Kashuno posted:Who will be a planeswalker in the LotR set Gandalf the Grey - 2WU creature - wizard *insert wizardy ability here* If Gandalf the Grey dies due to damage during the combat phase, return it to play transformed. 2/3 ----------- Gandalf the White planeswalker - Gandalf Gandalf the White is white and has protection from demons and orcs. +1 create a Shadowfax token, it is a 3/3 legendary white horse with haste that can only be blocked by creatures with haste. 0 fight another planeswalker (they deal damage to each other equal to the number of loyalty counters they have). 6 starting loyalty
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If Gandalf doesn’t have R as part of his color identity then that will be a pretty bad synthesis. It’s his defining “element”—quick to temper, inspiring and motivating others, his fireworks and pinecone grenades, etc.
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Judgy Fucker posted:If Gandalf doesn’t have R as part of his color identity then that will be a pretty bad synthesis. It’s his defining “element”—quick to temper, inspiring and motivating others, his fireworks and pinecone grenades, etc. He also wears Narya, one of the three rings gifted to the elves. The Ring of Fire. It's probably the "flame of Anor" he references when trying to psyche out the Balrog in Moria. Gandalf runs around for hundreds of years, carrying a metaphorical torch to inspire action in preparation of Sauron's return. Youre dead on with this. If he ain't red, I'm dead
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Gandalf should be a calzone.
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Gandalf should flip if he takes enough excess damage while blocking.
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Gandalf can have any color identity as long as he has big naturals in the art.
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