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Falcorum
Oct 21, 2010
The piloting checks in BTA have amazing comedic timing. Started the initial Aurigan flashpoint mission and as Raju was going "I won't let what's happening here derail your coronation", he got cutoff by one of the friendly Aurigan NPC mechs falling over due to failing a piloting check. :allears:

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GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
I remember when a few years ago in BTA when I got in over my head against three lances and pressed withdraw.

She says "ok make it to the LZ", and instead of landing in the giant loving flat spot directly behind us, she puts our evac LZ on a corner of the map on a hill where we have to go directly through the massive enemy force to get to it.

I think that was my big "gently caress Sumire" moment.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It's very funny when the enemy spawn with busted actuators and their first move is to sprint forward and fall flat on their arse.

Rorahusky
Nov 12, 2012

Transform and waaauuuugh out!
It's even more funny when it happens so often the pilot kills himself before you ever even run into the enemy lance. I remember salvaging an entire Mist Lynx after it's dipshit pilot cracked open his own skull before I ever came in sensor range.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

You got your staff on a point buy system, and Yang is the best tech the universe has ever seen, so

Salean
Mar 17, 2004

Homewrecker

OwlFancier posted:

It's very funny when the enemy spawn with busted actuators and their first move is to sprint forward and fall flat on their arse.

they get up and their supercharger explodes

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Best Friends posted:

You got your staff on a point buy system, and Yang is the best tech the universe has ever seen, so

Murad is also some kind of tech wizard who can fully reconstruct a bespoke prototype super-dropship using junk-rear end 3025 tech.

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
let's be real both Yang and Murad are gonna get totally murked or disappeared by ComStar pretty soon

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Pattonesque posted:

let's be real both Yang and Murad are gonna get totally murked or disappeared by ComStar pretty soon

poo poo, there are also a bunch of flashpoints that have got to have you firmly in the crosshairs of the Liao Death Commandos. Christ, off the top of my head you have an opportunity to stab them in the back on missions at least twice, maybe three times. The two I 100% remember involve you stealing an SLDF griffon from them and then you can say "lol gently caress no" when they want you to murder religious dissidents and escort them to safety.

Maybe they've got bigger fish to fry, but then again those bigger fish are probably in a fortress on New Avalon, not floating around in a super conspicuous lostech ship in the periphery.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

ok so i'm reinstalling BATTLETECH with all the dlc; what overhaul mods should i look at (i hosed around with roguetech before and didn't care for it)

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

Pattonesque posted:

let's be real both Yang and Murad are gonna get totally murked or disappeared by ComStar pretty soon

I genuinely think the cannon end to whatever Merc unit the player makes is “eradicated by comstar during the chaos of the fourth secession war.” You’re absolutely dripping lostech and forbidden secrets by the end no matter how you play

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

eh fuckit just going bta3062 let's see how that plays

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Captain Foo posted:

ok so i'm reinstalling BATTLETECH with all the dlc; what overhaul mods should i look at (i hosed around with roguetech before and didn't care for it)

Battletech Extended is the mega-mod that's more "vanilla with lots more stuff" in style. BTA is a lot more like RogueTech.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Yeah, if you bounced off RT BEX is the way to go.

Captain Foo
May 11, 2004

we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

i seem to have made the wrong call but i guess i'll bang around with it and see how it goes and then get bex afterwards if i still don't like it

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled
BTA is the go-to, as far as I'm concerned. It hits a fantastic sweet spot between Roguetech's psychotic level of crunch and vanilla being kind of bland and basic.

I R SMART LIKE ROCK
Mar 10, 2003

I just want a hug.

Fun Shoe

Kanos posted:

BTA is the go-to, as far as I'm concerned. It hits a fantastic sweet spot between Roguetech's psychotic level of crunch and vanilla being kind of bland and basic.

yeah I really enjoy BTA. just don't drive yourself crazy trying to min-max everything. it's got enough crunch for fun mech builds

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Roguetech for life.

I do lower the difficulty some though.

e: Since you said you'd stick with it for a while I recommend using the "minimum difficulty" settings from https://roguetech.fandom.com/wiki/Introduction_to_Roguetech for the first few of your games - all it does is give you more slack in terms of money, it doesn't make the enemy less deadly in any way. Also lethality "never" helps a lot for the viability of battle armour and vehicles, since you don't have to worry about them blowing up, as they tend to do.

Also make sure you are using planet difficulty and shared FoW in the install settings, that helps a lot too. Don't worry about disabling optional components, it's part of the charm of roguetech and I would not disable them.

Private Speech fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Feb 27, 2023

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

Best Friends posted:

I genuinely think the cannon end to whatever Merc unit the player makes is “eradicated by comstar during the chaos of the fourth secession war.” You’re absolutely dripping lostech and forbidden secrets by the end no matter how you play

Kinda surprised Wolfnet never snuck a nuke into the Bull Shark's cockpit.

I did love how Yang's off-hand response to Liao's involvement in that religious sect flashpoint is him saying that once the Coordinator notices you exist, you're essentially hosed.

Crazy Joe Wilson
Jul 4, 2007

Justifiably Mad!

Pattonesque posted:

let's be real both Yang and Murad are gonna get totally murked or disappeared by ComStar pretty soon

Yang is just a tech who's good at his job, Murad is the one Comstar would be worried about... unless she's one of them.

Hauki
May 11, 2010


Kanos posted:

BTA is the go-to, as far as I'm concerned. It hits a fantastic sweet spot between Roguetech's psychotic level of crunch and vanilla being kind of bland and basic.

Yeah, ditto. RT has too much weird poo poo for my taste and BEX toes the line too close to vanilla, but I enjoy all the random viable builds and extra stuff to play with in BTA.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

I'm gonna try BTA again at some point, I liked most of what I saw and the mod itself is real technically impressive, but the performance is still *just* annoying enough with its intended unit count that I got turned off kinda bad. Also if you're like me for some awful reason and enjoy writing in videogames its flashpoint campaign version of the Arano stuff is kinda lame because they had to kinda crowbar a bunch of dialogue in and out of it to make it work and its real janky.

Right now I'm playing BEX with some extra changes I made myself and it's hitting the sweet spot.

Warad
Aug 10, 2019



BTA did get a pretty significant performance update recently which made things a lot better, but yeah, it still hitches a bit though, especially when the units get piled on.

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Crazy Joe Wilson posted:

Yang is just a tech who's good at his job, Murad is the one Comstar would be worried about... unless she's one of them.

Yang is *crazy* good at his job to the point where if his coaching (teching?) tree ever promulgates throughout the inner sphere people are gonna be creating all kinds of non-dogshit mechs pretty quickly

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
I hopped onto BTA after a few years away and they've massively redesigned it towards combined arms. Which is a good intent, but the heavier battle armors (Golem especially) are just ridiculously overpowered.

Psycho Landlord
Oct 10, 2012

What are you gonna do, dance with me?

Lmao yeah during my run I realized what BA in a loving chopper was capable of

Also the double long tom Davion super tank

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters
LosTech has been steadily demystified in the Battletech setting circa 3025 for some time now. It’s overall availability has gone from being depicted as “basically Excalibur” to “rare but extant and not reproducible”. The Argo, while neat, has literally zero military applications that existing hardware available to the Successor States and ComStar don’t already do so neither have much reason to care. It is a very convenient ship for a mercenary but does not actually change the game for anyone who isn’t living in the Periphery. The Bullshark is the only noteworthy LosTech thing the merc company has and well…canonically it’s just one mech. Absolutely unnoticeable in the grand scheme of things.

Or to put it another way, the merc company still has orders of magnitude less plot armor than someone like Wolf’s Dragoons or Morgan Kell.

Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 14:22 on Feb 27, 2023

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Captain Oblivious posted:

LosTech has been steadily demystified in the Battletech setting circa 3025 for some time now. The Argo, while neat, has literally zero military applications that existing hardware available to the Successor States and ComStar so neither have much reason to care. It is a very convenient ship for a mercenary but does not actually change the game for anyone who isn’t living in the Periphery. The Bullshark is the only noteworthy LosTech thing the merc company has and well…canonically it’s just one mech. Absolutely unnoticeable in the grand scheme of things.

You can completely ignore all the weird super-dropship stuff like the habitation pods because that's not immediately useful from a military standpoint, but the Argo has a fully functional internal mech part factory and machine shop with heavy automation that I'm sure every successor state and ComStar would absolutely love to have. "We can make new leg actuators with our dropship's 3D printer instead of hoping we can find some on the market" is absolutely a pretty powerful game changer, especially circa 3025 when a lot of relatively common mechs in service haven't been actively produced for a long time. The Argo itself isn't that important because it's just one ship, but learning to duplicate that kind of internal functionality would be very useful.

For degree of plot armor, it's weird. Wolf's Dragoons and the Kell Hounds absolutely have insane plot armor, but they can somewhat justify not being rubbed out by the successor states because the Dragoons and the Hounds have so much combat power available to them for mercs that they can credibly challenge successor state attack forces(like the Dragoons did on Misery or when they worked for the FWL). Mason's Marauders are just a dinky merc company working for a fourth-rate petty periphery kingdom.

Kanos fucked around with this message at 14:27 on Feb 27, 2023

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters

Kanos posted:

You can completely ignore all the weird super-dropship stuff like the habitation pods because that's not immediately useful from a military standpoint, but the Argo has a fully functional internal mech part factory and machine shop with heavy automation that I'm sure every successor state and ComStar would absolutely love to have. "We can make new leg actuators with our dropship's 3D printer instead of hoping we can find some on the market" is absolutely a pretty powerful game changer, especially circa 3025 when a lot of relatively common mechs in service haven't been actively produced for a long time. The Argo itself isn't that important because it's just one ship, but learning to duplicate that kind of internal functionality would be very useful.

For degree of plot armor, it's weird. Wolf's Dragoons and the Kell Hounds absolutely have insane plot armor, but they can somewhat justify not being rubbed out by the successor states because the Dragoons and the Hounds have so much combat power available to them for mercs that they can credibly challenge successor state attack forces(like the Dragoons did on Misery or when they worked for the FWL). Mason's Marauders are just a dinky merc company working for a fourth-rate petty periphery kingdom.

And it would be trivial to ice out the Kell Hounds or, especially, Wolf’s Dragoons from the resources needed to bring that combat power to bear if having a bunch of LosTech was REALLY as important as it was in old Battletech. Which of course is where the plot armor comes in.

To a degree it’s for the best though. The way LosTech was written in old Battletech, and ComStar, was essentially an unsubtle “no one but characters in books can have fun” decree.

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!

Crazy Joe Wilson posted:

Yang is just a tech who's good at his job, Murad is the one Comstar would be worried about... unless she's one of them.

Dr. Murad is 100% a ComStar plant and nobody will ever convince me otherwise. That's why I think the actual fate of your Mercenary Company may end up being joining the ComGuard.

Dalaram
Jun 6, 2002

Marshall/Kirtaner 8/24 nevar forget! (omg pedo)

Q_res posted:

Dr. Murad is 100% a ComStar plant and nobody will ever convince me otherwise. That's why I think the actual fate of your Mercenary Company may end up being joining the ComGuard.

I would totally be down with this if they then let me drop with 6 mech lances like ComStar.

(Yes, I’ve played BTA with the additional Lance drops)

PhotoKirk
Jul 2, 2007

insert witty text here

GD_American posted:

I hopped onto BTA after a few years away and they've massively redesigned it towards combined arms. Which is a good intent, but the heavier battle armors (Golem especially) are just ridiculously overpowered.

Yeah, BA has wiped out way too many of my pilots when I let them get too close. Swarm attacks are brutal.


Artillery is awesome and can be a game changer in early Clan missions.

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule
https://twitter.com/WeBeHarebrained/status/1630258408132853761

almost certainly not Battletech 2 but hey, could be interesting!

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters
They’ve already confirmed it’s not Battletech 2.

I believe last we heard it was something “horror” related but beyond that no details of note.

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:
If I can't have Battletech 2, at least give me another Shadowrun.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Captain Oblivious posted:

They’ve already confirmed it’s not Battletech 2.

I believe last we heard it was something “horror” related but beyond that no details of note.

battletech 2: terror of the black marauder

Pattonesque
Jul 15, 2004
johnny jesus and the infield fly rule

Owlbear Camus posted:

battletech 2: terror of the black marauder

you know I'm honestly a bit shocked the Black Marauder was never a MWO hero mech. Free money PGI!

Q_res
Oct 29, 2005

We're fucking built for this shit!

Captain Oblivious posted:

They’ve already confirmed it’s not Battletech 2.

I believe last we heard it was something “horror” related but beyond that no details of note.

When they announced End of Development for Battletech they said they were working on two non-Battletech projects. I wonder if we'll hear about both.

PhotoKirk
Jul 2, 2007

insert witty text here

Antigravitas posted:

If I can't have Battletech 2, at least give me another Shadowrun. Renegade Legion.


Gimme some grav tanks and rail guns, pleaseandthankyou.

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Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

Captain Oblivious posted:

They’ve already confirmed it’s not Battletech 2.

I believe last we heard it was something “horror” related but beyond that no details of note.

Doesn't Paradox own the World of Darkness stuff these days?

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