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it's simply the principle of someone or something daring to operate a much fancier toy than even our most extravagant black budget abominations IN OUR airspace without any regard for our authority the lack of any apparent aggression or desire to put an to human shenanigans is besides the point clearly they're demons that are an affront to god and the moral order on the last note it's still funny to see so many chud rear end politicians chiming in on the subject https://twitter.com/timburchett/status/1630609398723756050 Tekne has issued a correction as of 20:16 on Feb 28, 2023 |
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 20:07 |
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the balloons… are here
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 20:41 |
Tekne posted:it's simply the principle of someone or something daring to operate a much fancier toy than even our most extravagant black budget abominations IN OUR airspace without any regard for our authority quote:On a clear, sunny day in April 2014, two F/A-18s took off for an air combat training mission off the coast of Virginia. The jets, part of my Navy fighter squadron, climbed to an altitude of 12,000 and steered towards Warning Area W-72, an exclusive block of airspace ten miles east of Virginia Beach. All traffic into the training area goes through a single GPS point at a set altitude — almost like a doorway into a massive room where military jets can operate without running into other aircraft. Just at the moment the two jets crossed the threshold, one of the pilots saw a dark gray cube inside of a clear sphere — motionless against the wind, fixed directly at the entry point. The jets, only 100 feet apart, zipped past the object on either side. The pilots had come so dangerously close to something they couldn’t identify that they terminated the training mission immediately and returned to base.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 20:46 |
Tekne posted:it's simply the principle of someone or something daring to operate a much fancier toy than even our most extravagant black budget abominations IN OUR airspace without any regard for our authority they can legally read all this poo poo out on the floor if they want to, it's fair game
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 20:47 |
Marco gonna ride the UAP train all the way to the white house in 2024
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 20:50 |
Good Soldier Svejk posted:they can legally read all this poo poo out on the floor if they want to, it's fair game None of them want to stick their neck out for anything, it's a lifetime habit for politicians. Demanding someone else do something is the norm.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 20:53 |
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Bilirubin posted:OK so that's a detail I had not yet heard sounds like they crapped their pants
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 20:55 |
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Also, regarding national security, one of the stories in the NatGeo series is from some guys who worked at a couple of nuclear missile launch sites during the Cold War. Both sites observed a similar UAP, but at one of the sites 10 of the missiles went inactive at the same time that they were responding to the UAP above the site. So if that story is accurate I can see why the national security argument would be persuasive.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 20:57 |
Wheeee posted:Marco gonna ride the UAP train all the way to the white house in 2024
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 20:58 |
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:they can legally read all this poo poo out on the floor if they want to, it's fair game the minute you do that you're out all your clearances and any interesting committee work, and probably get shut out of the whole party apparatus and then primaried by the next empty suit that the party has stuffed with focus group'd soundbites. also it's pretty likely that Congress still isn't getting the whole story in the closed-door sessions, so there's probably not enough to come close to making that sort of sinecure sacrifice worth it
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 20:58 |
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Has anyone else read Patrick Harpur’s Daimonic Reality: A Field Guide to the Otherworld? It really got me thinking about UFOs/UAPs as repressed psychic energy made manifest, God knows the US has plenty of repressed psychic energy to go around also there’s a distinct lack of fairy magic these days. We’ve gotta being the fairies back.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 21:02 |
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captainbananas posted:
It's at least as likely that they have all of it and none of it is convincing so they maintain their exclusive access while alluding to the 'hidden truths', exploiting it for political aims.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 21:22 |
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Azathoth posted:If we accept the underlying premise that it is a fundamental duty of a nationstate to control access to the space within its borders, and that part of controlling borders is controlling the airspace above claimed land, then yes it is absolutely a legitimate concern. That is exactly my problem. I think using the security concern as the main focus in the debate means internalizing some very dubious assertions. We accept this concern as legitimate, on the basis of controlling geography and preventing threats, yet the sovereign apparatus that has taken on (and derives some degree of legitimacy from) those duties is one that increases and reinforces systemic catastrophic risk, and falls back on deference to official secrecy to avoid sharing information about this relatively minor issue. That this issue represents a potential escape valve for the existential risk is just the cherry on top. Maybe I'm fundamentally misreading this because I do not consider current USMIL concerns about alien security risks as legitimate, but who exactly is this air defense argument supposed to persuade, anyway? As a justification for pressing the military for more information, rhetorically it kinda works, but is the US military supposed to just admit they can't control US airspace because whoops there are undersea mil-research outposts off San Diego and Diego Garcia belonging to an alien civilization that's a few centuries ahead of us? That's even worse from their point of view. So is it meant to appeal to Americans who are scared of a tictac-based 9-11? Or is it just meant to slowly acclimate the coastal political base to UFOs?
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 21:37 |
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Bilirubin posted:OK so that's a detail I had not yet heard Wasn't there something like this too during the Nimitz 2004 tic tac? It was waiting for them right at the rendezvous or entry point to the training airspace. Seems interesting.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 21:42 |
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Uglycat posted:It's at least as likely that they have all of it and none of it is convincing so they maintain their exclusive access while alluding to the 'hidden truths', exploiting it for political aims. Yeah nah setting aside the argument that there is no convincing evidence of anything untowards, every org or agency that has the intel is executive and they're not going to read in anyone on intelligence or armed services until the decision is made that it is necessary. It's not like there's no historical precedent for that kinda poo poo. And, they can even do it legally easily enough if they scramble an F-22 or F-18 because, congrats, now you have a "highly classified intelligence operation with military support." No Congressional communion required.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 21:51 |
E Depois do Adeus posted:That is exactly my problem. I think using the security concern as the main focus in the debate means internalizing some very dubious assertions. We accept this concern as legitimate, on the basis of controlling geography and preventing threats, yet the sovereign apparatus that has taken on (and derives some degree of legitimacy from) those duties is one that increases and reinforces systemic catastrophic risk, and falls back on deference to official secrecy to avoid sharing information about this relatively minor issue. That this issue represents a potential escape valve for the existential risk is just the cherry on top. Yeah, to be clear, I don't think that it is a legitimate concern. I do think that they think it is a legitimate concern. I've said from the start that this whole dog and pony show that there's a game being run on us with all of this, but I'll be damned if I know what it is. That's probably the more important thing to focus on, not so much what they are saying, but what they are trying to accomplish.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 21:52 |
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Azathoth posted:Yeah, to be clear, I don't think that it is a legitimate concern. I do think that they think it is a legitimate concern. thinking once again about how the son of a bay of pigs volunteer became a senior counterintelligence official and then became the face of the new media push re: UFOs
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 21:59 |
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Bilirubin posted:OK so that's a detail I had not yet heard the debunker types point towards a drawing of a radar reflector from the 50s as proof that the navy guys are just seeing those but ignore that the real thing apparently doesn't look anything like the drawing lol
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 22:00 |
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E Depois do Adeus posted:That is exactly my problem. I think using the security concern as the main focus in the debate means internalizing some very dubious assertions. We accept this concern as legitimate, on the basis of controlling geography and preventing threats, yet the sovereign apparatus that has taken on (and derives some degree of legitimacy from) those duties is one that increases and reinforces systemic catastrophic risk, and falls back on deference to official secrecy to avoid sharing information about this relatively minor issue. That this issue represents a potential escape valve for the existential risk is just the cherry on top. I think it's meant to keep the phenomenon in front of both public and politician eyeballs because neither the media nor the government nor the average american are capable of paying the subject (and you can hot swap UAP/USO for most any subject here) any attention unless it is framed as some sort of serious risk to security. In other words, all of the people engaging in this framing are either true believers in the primacy of national security, or think that talking about the phenomena as something of scientific curiosity or religious or metaphysical interest or anything else won't get whatever results they're after. And it's guaranteed that there are many people/groups/interests riding this attention for many different reasons. We can have a much more nuanced discussion / shitposting session here because we can make space for that. There is no space for that in mainstream media.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 22:05 |
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captainbananas posted:Depends on what you mean by legitimate concern. The natsec concern begins and end with "what if our adversary has magic tech, psychic soldiers, or literal wizards, and we can't let there be a psychic soldiers gap. We saw what happened the last time seemingly magic tech was something we could make (talkin bout nukes). We don't want to live in the reality where the next step up in military capacity is done by not us. If it's actual sentient beings moving FTL while having mass, there is literally nothing we can do but hope they treat us nicely, lol.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 22:10 |
Ben Nerevarine posted:Has anyone else read Patrick Harpur’s Daimonic Reality: A Field Guide to the Otherworld? It really got me thinking about UFOs/UAPs as repressed psychic energy made manifest, God knows the US has plenty of repressed psychic energy to go around Read that blog series I posted earlier! Also, interesting chat tonight, thread, enjoying it a lot
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 22:29 |
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Tekne posted:it's simply the principle of someone or something daring to operate a much fancier toy than even our most extravagant black budget abominations IN OUR airspace without any regard for our authority That article is a pro read if anyone is just scrolling
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 22:38 |
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macro sniffing the j'rooti
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 22:39 |
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Turtle Sandbox posted:The natsec concern begins and end with "what if our adversary has magic tech, psychic soldiers, or literal wizards, and we can't let there be a psychic soldiers gap. yeah. if the apocryphal story about Carter being read-in and then bawling for hours/days is true, it would comport with what people who have worked for decades in the field of putting the screws to others who didn't have our tech tree might feel when they realize the tables are turned. And I don't think Carter would have cried if it were about religion; I think he's too religious to have that kind of poo poo phase his faith. But his understanding of realpolitik? Yeah. And then it'd have to be tightly compartmentalized, because if people like, say, Bolton knew they could get done how they like to do, they'd probably go Full Lowtax.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 22:40 |
My partner and I just started watching the nat geo series, and wow that is some really good stuff! Also what's happening/happened over St Petersburg? Pretty weird stuff apparently
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 22:40 |
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Danru posted:My partner and I just started watching the nat geo series, and wow that is some really good stuff! Also what's happening/happened over St Petersburg? Pretty weird stuff apparently St Pete is like the third or fourth weirdest part of Florida honestly
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 22:41 |
Inspector Hound posted:That article is a pro read if anyone is just scrolling lol what: The Navy has also officially acknowledged 11 near misses with UAP that required evasive action and triggered mandatory safety reports between 2004 and 2021. Advanced UAP also pose a growing safety hazard to commercial airliners. Last May, the Federal Aviation Administration issued an alert after a passenger aircraft flying over West Virginia experienced a rare failure of two major systems while passing underneath what appeared to be a UAP.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 22:43 |
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I likedquote:Just at the moment the two jets crossed the threshold, one of the pilots saw a dark gray cube inside of a clear sphere — motionless against the wind, fixed directly at the entry point. The jets, only 100 feet apart, zipped past the object on either side. The pilots had come so dangerously close to something they couldn’t identify that they terminated the training mission immediately and returned to base.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 22:45 |
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Anyone know where I might be able to see the natgeo series? It doesn't appear to be officially available outside the US yet.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 22:47 |
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Barry Foster posted:Read that blog series I posted earlier! Thanks, that was dope and in line with what I had taken away from Daimonic Reality. Love this part in particular: quote:Curiously, by the mid-1990s, UFOs were no longer putting on dramatic close encounters of the first, second, and third kind “performances” as they had since 1947…No more reported up-close (-500 feet) sightings of structured craft, no more UFOs buzzing cars and stopped their engines, no more observed sky-to-ground landings and weird pilots zapping and burning witnesses with beams of light…
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 23:23 |
it dont matter posted:Anyone know where I might be able to see the natgeo series? It doesn't appear to be officially available outside the US yet. Hulu.
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 23:26 |
very end of the latest ep of otherworld ties into the monroe institute and i guess the next couple of eps will be diving into the tapes/the cia report thereof, neat!
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# ? Feb 28, 2023 23:44 |
Hooplah posted:very end of the latest ep of otherworld ties into the monroe institute and i guess the next couple of eps will be diving into the tapes/the cia report thereof, neat! im listening to part one, and man her husband is the most granola sounding motherfucker to ever do it but the stuff the medium is talking about sounds familiar enough
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# ? Mar 1, 2023 01:04 |
Hooplah posted:The closure of St. Petersburg airport is in no way related to recent NORAD and U. S. Northern Command operations associated with airborne objects over North America during the last month. Ty
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# ? Mar 1, 2023 01:20 |
Ben Nerevarine posted:Thanks, that was dope and in line with what I had taken away from Daimonic Reality. Love this part in particular: its a very interesting post, thanks for linking it here Barry!
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# ? Mar 1, 2023 01:28 |
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Bilirubin posted:OK so that's a detail I had not yet heard reminds me of how the tic tac somehow knew the precise gps coordinates of the jet’s rendezvous point (can’t recall the exact term), which it sped directly to and sat on after the initial interception. I don’t know how those gps coordinates work exactly but i assume they only exist as 1s and 0s in the jet/ship computers. it is indeed a pretty weird detail!
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# ? Mar 1, 2023 01:47 |
There was that paper posted a while ago where they argued proof of aliens would obliterate the concept of sovereignty itself You could argue that even non sociologists would realize this even if it wasn't in the academic mode and it would undermine pretty much all politics and ideologies
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# ? Mar 1, 2023 01:52 |
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We will never give up our petty squabbles
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# ? Mar 1, 2023 02:43 |
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Too bad they'll never rip the band-aid off and tell us.
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# ? Mar 1, 2023 02:54 |
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Fitzy Fitz posted:We will never give up our petty squabbles Ryan Graves posted:We Have a Real UFO Problem. And It’s Not Balloons. Mick West posted:No Mere Balloons? lol
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