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SirPablo posted:I can't believe a show would spend an entire episode fleshing out an aspect of one of the main characters' background. I agree with your point, but I think 3 (almost entirely) bottle/flashback episodes in the first 7 doesn't do this show any favors in a week-to-week live watch scenario. Other shows have done the same thing, but to pick one that did it masterfully: LOST. They balanced moving the plot forward and giving backstory/flashback information better than I've seen almost any other show do it, and it always felt like you were, at the same time, moving forward to whatever the end goal of the season or arc was. This show has an extremely straightforward Point A to Point B goal, so when it does (essentially) full stops in the story progress it doesn't feel as seamless or fluid to me as if they had done it as A plot / B plot in the same episode. Not a huge deal overall, I was just trying to figure out what felt "off" about the pacing to me.
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covidstomper58 posted:Personally, I thought this episode was garbage. It just wasn't as good as the others, which is to be expected in a multi-episode season that typically has many ups and downs. I'd give it a B-/C+ at worst. For me the issue is that I knew exactly where everything was going to go considering how strongly the episode's plot was telegraphed (even having never played the game) - Ellie/Riley crush, Ellie infection story, Riley dies, etc. The retro bits were cool, and seeing MK2 put a huge smile on my face (back/forward/down/forward low punch I loving HELL YEAH STILL REMEMBER THAT FATALITY), but I thought this could have been a series of shorter flashbacks while the story advanced from the previous episode as opposed to the only advancement being that Joel got stitched up (literally) while we went down memory lane with Ellie. Big lol out of them not getting the computer pun, though - "What's a screenshot?"
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Feb 28, 2023 22:00
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So are people not aware that "covidstomper" is doing a bit?
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Mr. Nemo posted:So are people not aware that "covidstomper" is doing a bit? I remember some guy with a wizard name used to do it after game of thrones episodes. Wonder if it's the same guy.
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XboxPants posted:
Yes, but the final answer they settled on before the attack happened was "be gay and stay here with me." We haven't seen or heard of FEDRA trying to repress people's sexuality in the QZ.
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Mr. Nemo posted:So are people not aware that "covidstomper" is doing a bit? No one cares.
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Wiltsghost posted:I remember some guy with a wizard name used to do it after game of thrones episodes. Wonder if it's the same guy. I also don't remember the name of that person, but it's the same shtick here. GG, it gets some responses.
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IT BURNS posted:No one cares. While intention matters when you, say, step on somebody's foot, for instance, being a jackass ironically is just being a jackass.
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I mean, I've legitimately enjoyed the show, but I'm still laughing every time I see covidstomper quoted. Maybe I'm just old and humor works differently now.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I mean, I'm barely older than your son yet have babies of my own, and I also think The Wire is wildly overrated. It's not because my baby brain thinks it's too slow, it's just before my time. Mayor Littlefinger and his Amazing Accents is the main thing I remember. It's literally explaining everything wrong with the US right now in a way that even the most right of right wing people would be forced to engage with if they watched it. People downed Season 5, including myself and then the Trump media era happened, and, well. Nothing comes even close to comparing to it. Edit: Twilight Zone is the only thing that comes close, and that got shaky, especially at the end. Darko fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Mar 1, 2023 |
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404notfound posted:I got unreasonably concerned about them dancing on a glass counter. I knew it wasn't going to happen, but I kept imagining the glass suddenly shattering and slicing the hell out of their ankles Same, though I thought it was going to happen. They really were queueing up the things that could go bad, enough that I honestly had no idea what was going to go wrong. I wasn't even sure this would be when Ellie got bit. See Also: hobo corpse whiskey, fuuuuuuuuck that fullroundaction posted:I agree with your point, but I think 3 (almost entirely) bottle/flashback episodes in the first 7 doesn't do this show any favors in a week-to-week live watch scenario. I can totally see being annoyed by zero progress after waiting a week, and I think why it's not bothering me personally is the main plot is pretty thin by itself so far. If the meat of the show is in the B-plots, I appreciate it focusing on each story instead of jumping around. On the other end of the spectrum some shows flit constantly between like 4 or 5 B-plots, dragging them all out a for an entire season, and that's pretty unsatisfying unless they actually come together in an interesting way. Remy Marathe fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Mar 1, 2023 |
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Riley’s relationship with Ellie violates the “half age plus seven” rule. Problematic.
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Platystemon posted:Riley’s relationship with Ellie violates the “half age plus seven” rule. does it? i thought riley was 17 and ellie was 14
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half of seventeen plus seven is fifteen i don't actually care tho
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if you want to be pedantic, riley was still 16.
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A kiss is not a contract, but it's very nice. And technically Ellie was the one who initiated it, so she was the graverobber.
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Right they should both be grounded and learn to court each other appropriately with a chaperone. This would have also saved Riley's life if done sooner.
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The QZ Debutante Ball is the event of the season, everyone wears their finest fatigues.
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So FEDRA managed to round up all the Kansas City infected into a single basement in the suburbs?
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PyPy posted:So FEDRA managed to round up all the Kansas City infected into a single basement in the suburbs? Correct, also, 
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I can believe the kansas government would create conditions for massive sinkholes in their cities that FEDRA could later fill with mushfellows
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covidstomper58 posted:Correct, also, Is this loss?
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No, it's healing.jpg
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PyPy posted:So FEDRA managed to round up all the Kansas City infected into a single basement in the suburbs? No. They filtered them down into the tunnels that ran below the city and then locked the tunnels down, thus SOLVING THE PROBLEM FOREVER. It was a sign of the issues with KC FEDRA, they basically treated it as out of sight, out of mind, and it seems like that was their policy for law enforcement/peace-keeping with the human population as well: they disappeared people, jammed them into cells and used collaborators to help keep them informed and maintain a very tense peace that was constantly simmering. Eventually it boiled over with the bloody revolution, but while FEDRA themselves were wiped out, the underlying infected problem they'd just ignored was still present, trying to claw its way back to the delicious humans on the surface. We see where the mass of infected has started getting close to the surface in that scene where Lynskey's character is shown the floor moving around as they try to break free up where all the noise has been happening. They eventually follow the noise of the convoy going after Sam, Joel, Ellie etc and finally found a place where the ground was thin enough they could break through and finally go after the humans. The infected problem was never dealt with, just swept under the carpet, and eventually it had to come to light again. Jerusalem fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Mar 1, 2023 |
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Yeah, thats why a few weeks ago I was talking about how one of the big knocks on fedra is compared to Romero zombies, this type can be worked around and going on 20 years after the event its their own failure that more areas are not safe and QZs are so dilapidated. The vast majority of the initial infected are dead, they have detectors that work in an instant, and 20 years of knowledge on how to kill them. There just are not that many new infected being created compared to the number that could be killed off by determined and organized people. Why would Fedra want to completely eliminate the threat that helps keep the populace pinned under their jackboots?
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TheBlackVegetable posted:Why would Fedra want to completely eliminate the threat that helps keep the populace pinned under their jackboots? They've already got the Fireflies, which are far more containable and useful. The zombies, as they currently stand, seem to be a far great existential threat and could probably do with a threat level downgrade.
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Kansas City seems like a real shithole. It seems pretty bad in the show, too. 
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Some insights into why the arcade scene was the way it was:quote:We had some pinball machines and arcade games not make the cut because they were too expensive to license, or the IP owner wasn't licensing that particular game for that use at that particular time. We had a Ms Pac-Man that wouldnt clear because they were not allowing a license at that time. Golden Axe was axed, no BurgerTime, NBA Jam, or TMNT either. WWF Pinball, Evel Knievel, Comet. New titles from the 90s were all mostly too expensive to license or use, let alone trying to find some of them as most conversion games were all restored to original around here. Also forget about doing anything with Nintendo. Some licenses only allowed for showing the game in the deep background, or couldn't feature game play, but only attract modes (Street Fighter II for example). Its a complicated world, and you only have so much time and money to get it all done. From https://forums.arcade-museum.com/threads/last-of-us-arcade-scene.518996/page-3#post-4642458
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TheBlackVegetable posted:Why would Fedra want to completely eliminate the threat that helps keep the populace pinned under their jackboots? QZs are still actually falling to the infected and the more they fail the more the fireflies gain members
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Wasn't that Mortal Kombat rated M for Mature? and they're both teenagers aka not mature... I know hollywood is messed up but really, both actress' parents signed off to let their kids play that??
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Khanstant posted:Wasn't that Mortal Kombat rated M for Mature? and they're both teenagers aka not mature... I know hollywood is messed up but really, both actress' parents signed off to let their kids play that?? Obviously they green screened them in while stunt performers actually played the game. That's just SOP.
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Also it was actually two Killer Instinct cabinets taped together, because a MK2 cabinet doesn't look like a MK2 cabinet on film.
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Khanstant posted:Wasn't that Mortal Kombat rated M for Mature? and they're both teenagers aka not mature... I know hollywood is messed up but really, both actress' parents signed off to let their kids play that?? Phylodox posted:Obviously they green screened them in while stunt performers actually played the game. That's just SOP. It is currently rated M since it was ported and re-released numerous times but IIRC the home ports of MKII were the first MK games to have an ESRB rating. The arcade version came out in 1993 and so missed the ESRB being a thing by about a year, though IIRC I don't think any of the arcade games of the 90s received an ESRB rating, just the home ports.
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Phylodox posted:Obviously they green screened them in while stunt performers actually played the game. That's just SOP. They actually did, kinda. Here's my post from the spoiler thread copy/pasted here. There's no spoilers in the quoted post BUT THERE MIGHT BE SPOILERS IN THE LINKED OFF-SITE THREAD SO BEWARE AND/OR DON'T CLICK ON IT. (tldr the MK fight as it happened on screen was choreographed and prerecorded, split into clips that some dude played depending on what the actors were doing, all the while another dude was working with the girls to make sure they get their hand movements correct for the camera) quote:If you wanna nerd out about the arcade scene apparently there’s some discussion here including from some people involved with the scene.
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That is a truly impressive level of effort to make it look right, and it paid off.
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That’s super cool, I love hearing about behind the scenes stuff like that when people obviously really care about their craft
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Yeah, that linked thread had some good posts in it. I'm just kinda floored that licensing Ms. Pac Man, not bothering with Nintendo etc.. that almost all the machines they wanted were too much $$ or too much hassle.. If you hosed up your licensing so bad that a big budget AAA HBO series can't get you, you done hosed up.
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I can think of lots of times in media where people are playing a game with something glaring wrong, like wrong controller, not plugged in, spamming buttons that don't make sense for the game or action shown, etc, but never thought about how much work it would be to actually get good shots of gameplay, let alone meaningfully sync it up with actors and in editing. All the examples I can think of its funny to notice the mistakes but ultimately they are irrelevant to the story, so can be wrong like a hundred other little things that don't matter either. Happy to read the work gone into getting these shots and effort made to make them relevant to the script.
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