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cinci zoo sniper posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/02/russia-run-out-of-money-oleg-deripaska I would guess it's a reference to "revenue mobilization", which ISW has mentioned a couple times: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-january-7-2023 quote:A Russian news outlet reported on January 6 that Russian authorities want to conduct “revenue mobilization” and collect a one-time payment of an unspecified amount from large businesses in order to fund the war and address problems in the state budget.[56]
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Belteshazzar posted:I would guess it's a reference to "revenue mobilization", which ISW has mentioned a couple times: I went to the source to double-check, the Bloomberg article linked in the Guardian's piece, and that's what they're bringing up as well, well-recalled! quote:Funds are now running low and “that’s why they’ve already begun to shake us down,” said Deripaska, founder of United Co, Rusal International PJSC, the biggest aluminum producer outside China. As for the other part of the story, that Russia might run out of money—this didn't have obvious mechanisms for transpiring before this week, I had a fresh piece on Russian economy further in my news stack that does confirm that the situation with money is not looking particularly dire yet. https://www.ft.com/content/2feb14af-bd59-4d22-9731-ab90f73eee93 The FT piece is quite informative about the start of the year for their economy in general, and also has a few choice paragraphs for the operating interpretations of the RUB exchange rate (tldr; trade surplus), that we discussed recently. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Mar 3, 2023 |
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(cinci zoo sniper has OK'd this post just FYI) Gonna go meta for a second - If the Ukraine thread in GBS is re-opened, 1. Are there any additional rules that the old one didn't have and are not in the old thread that you'd like to see implemented and 2. Do you have any links to godawful horrible posts that you would use as examples of what NOT to post? If so, please DM me. Please do not respond to this here. Thank you, goodbye.
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Can confirm that this a sanctioned feedback call for the GBS thread on this war, and that replying to it here would be ill-advised.
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So there was apparently an explosion in Kolomna according to residents, most likely another Ukranian drone attack. Has this been verified elsewhere? https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1631425753630777344
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# ? Mar 3, 2023 02:09 |
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There seem enough independent reports w/videos and stuff that we can be reasonably sure the explosion happened, but it's completely unclear if it's Ukraine droning some military factory or some apartment building having a gas explosion or something or a UFO making an emergency landing, etc., etc.
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Round-up of news of the day President of Ukraine quote:https://www.president.gov.ua/en/news/okupant-neminuche-vidchuvatime-nashu-silu-spravedlivosti-zve-81381 White House quote:https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...s-john-kirby-7/ Reuters quote:https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-clings-bakhmut-us-readies-400-million-new-military-aid-2023-03-02 Washington Post quote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/03/02/bryansk-russia-attack-ukraine-saboteurs Guardian quote:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/02/bakhmut-burning-fires-everywhere-as-russians-close-in-ukraine
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Ukraine has to withdraw from Bakhmut soon, right? It just seems untenable in the long term and it looks like the forces there have done more than their fair share of attritional damage to the Russians.
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Eric Cantonese posted:Ukraine has to withdraw from Bakhmut soon, right? It just seems untenable in the long term and it looks like the forces there have done more than their fair share of attritional damage to the Russians. Per this video they're reinforcing the flanks to prevent being surrounded and force a stalemate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GYyB545UNU
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Kofman has a funny way of saying "On one hand, on the other" I find Russia's lack of tactics to be increasingly more bizarre. Mass infantry attack? At least pop some smoke; literally not once have I seen an video where they do so. And if you are assaulting with tanks you clear mines first or find a less likely way to your objective that isn't the main road in - even if it's engineers under cover of darkness or whatever (and from the looks of the helmets most Ukrainian soldiers have IR devices but whatever, try). Mine and obstacle clearing is very unsophisticated, you blow a path open with explosives. Even articulated devices, like that British WWII tank with the drum and flail. But just watching them trundle towards a crossroads and get ripped to shreds by mines and artillery is beyond stupid. Maybe I have played too much Combat Mission so it seems blatantly obvious, but the last thing you do in a tank assault is drive them blindly at your target on the main road in without combined arms, smoke, engineers and recon.
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Also from the NYT:quote:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/01/...cb6d149fe0d1c51
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Bakhmut is pretty much just a large town at this rate of shelling, how much of the city is there actually going to be left to capture? A field of rubble with a few major roads leading to it?
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Eric Cantonese posted:Ukraine has to withdraw from Bakhmut soon, right? It just seems untenable in the long term and it looks like the forces there have done more than their fair share of attritional damage to the Russians. Fresh reinforcements were just deployed to Bakhmut and with how things have been shaping, it seems very likely that Bakhmut's sudden strategic importance is directly proportional to how many Russian troops it can pin down in a constant attritional buzzsaw so that they can't be deployed to counter the upcoming Ukrainian counteroffensive in Zaporizhzhia
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Huggybear posted:I find Russia's lack of tactics to be increasingly more bizarre. Mass infantry attack? At least pop some smoke; literally not once have I seen an video where they do so. When all of your experienced low ranking officers and trainers are killed in the first few months, it's really hard to reverse course and recover from that.
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Huggybear posted:I find Russia's lack of tactics to be increasingly more bizarre. Mass infantry attack? At least pop some smoke; literally not once have I seen an video where they do so. quote:Gen. Mark Milley: The Russians thought that they had an effective competent army to execute combined arms maneuver, which is a very specific thing. The United States military does that very well, a few other militaries. What that means is they could coordinate and synchronize dismounted infantry with mounted infantry, mechanized infantry with armored tanks, with mortars, artillery, close air support, electronic warfare engineers, medical sustainment — you bring it all together in time and space to achieve your desired effect. As it turned out, they couldn’t do it. They stumbled around and they couldn’t pull it together.
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I know, I've seen analyses like that multiple times and I agree. There are still enough blatantly obvious and deeply stupid oversights that I think all that is correct, and they're all drunk or hosed up on opiates or both, and that I am vaguely convinced there are Russians high enough up that they want them to fail... Like that picture in the article about the tank assault. Not one of those tanks attempted to turn its hull towards the ambush, because an exposed flank is far easier to hit and debilitate. That is basic common sense. A couple have thrown tracks but come on. That's battle tank preschool. I remember the first day of the war and the assault on the airfield attempted without clear air superiority. I just assumed the first thing that Russia would secure is air superiority, because of its effectiveness in the American invasions in the middle east. They must have invaded knowing they wouldn't and still parked thousands of vehicles in a standstill on an open highway as they tried to fix the modern traffic jam. If this were a movie, I would have given up on the ability to suspend disbelief a long time ago.
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Huggybear posted:I know, I've seen analyses like that multiple times and I agree. There are still enough blatantly obvious and deeply stupid oversights that I think all that is correct, and they're all drunk or hosed up on opiates or both, and that I am vaguely convinced there are Russians high enough up that they want them to fail... Buddy, when people are actually shooting at you things are a little different from playing Combat Mission. Things that appear to be “just common sense” can be very difficult to do even if you correctly diagnose the situation, which is also difficult.
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Huggybear posted:Mine and obstacle clearing is very unsophisticated, you blow a path open with explosives. Even articulated devices, like that British WWII tank with the drum and flail. Ukraine is making heavy use of German and Polish off-route anti-tank mines. The simpler variants are just EFP:s that they fire on command when they see a tank in the killzone, the fancier German ones can even be aimed. Simply blowing open paths will only clear the dumber kind of mines.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Buddy, when people are actually shooting at you things are a little different from playing Combat Mission. Things that appear to be “just common sense” can be very difficult to do even if you correctly diagnose the situation, which is also difficult. I think you're not seeing the most obvious explanation: the tank crews are just loaded with conscripts who got maybe a couple weeks training before being shoved into a tank, so they can barely work surplus T-80 let alone incorporate any sort of tactical finesse with them. Then add combat stress on top of that and they're basically driving their own coffins into minefields and ambushes.
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Young Freud posted:I think you're not seeing the most obvious explanation: the tank crews are just loaded with conscripts who got maybe a couple weeks training before being shoved into a tank, so they can barely work surplus T-80 let alone incorporate any sort of tactical finesse with them. Then add combat stress on top of that and they're basically driving their own coffins into minefields and ambushes. And they're being "commanded" by a 19-year-old who just got promoted and doesn't know WTF and is getting screamed at on the phone by someone in Moscow to attack.
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Tuna-Fish posted:Ukraine is making heavy use of German and Polish off-route anti-tank mines. The simpler variants are just EFP:s that they fire on command when they see a tank in the killzone, the fancier German ones can even be aimed. Simply blowing open paths will only clear the dumber kind of mines. Thanks, I did not know about these, that's helpful and I'll go do some reading KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Buddy, when people are actually shooting at you things are a little different from playing Combat Mission. Things that appear to be “just common sense” can be very difficult to do even if you correctly diagnose the situation, which is also difficult. Don't be pedantic. I'm talking about popping smoke and hull facing ambushes. These are very simplistic concepts. The video game reference was tongue in cheek. I was in the military in my distant youth. I'll drop the topic as it is speculation.
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dr_rat posted:Bakhmut is pretty much just a large town at this rate of shelling, how much of the city is there actually going to be left to capture? A field of rubble with a few major roads leading to it? Pretty much. for bombed out town, but it is drone footage so nothing visible in this tweet. There is combat footage upthread though. https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1631338374538698767
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https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1631412839880568834?cxt=HHwWhMC9sbLV-KMtAAAA It seems like the Russian offensive up north is pushing quite far. Situation seems very bad to me.
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Huggybear posted:I know, I've seen analyses like that multiple times and I agree. There are still enough blatantly obvious and deeply stupid oversights that I think all that is correct, and they're all drunk or hosed up on opiates or both, and that I am vaguely convinced there are Russians high enough up that they want them to fail... Sooo... the men in those tanks got themselves killed on purpose because they were convinced by their superiors to let the invasion fail?
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The Ukrainian drone unit commander in Bakhmut (Colonel Magyar) is being redeployed to a new undisclosed assignment. Video has a fair bit of incoming / outgoing artillery audio in background. https://t.me/robert_magyar/436 MyMomSaysImKeen fucked around with this message at 06:41 on Mar 3, 2023 |
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Freudian slippers posted:Sooo... the men in those tanks got themselves killed on purpose because they were convinced by their superiors to let the invasion fail? That's a bizarre post. The implication is that they are poorly trained. How to react to ambushes gets drilled endlessly and there are videos of Russian tank columns doing it correctly from early in the war. Our ability to read the, uh, wreck leaves is obviously severely limited, but the ramshackle nature implies that order broke down very quickly.
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Huggybear posted:Don't be pedantic. I'm talking about popping smoke and hull facing ambushes. These are very simplistic concepts. The video game reference was tongue in cheek. I was in the military in my distant youth. I'll continue, hope you don't mind, because it needs to be said that 'simplistic concepts' depend on a solid doctrinal training. When vehicles (or infantrymen) move in combat readiness they have assigned sectors to watch. You can't face towards threat if no one in the column even knows what is going on. This in turn takes lots of training to get to the level where crews can detect and react to a missile launch in a meaningful manner, like the Israeli Sagger drill. Just popping smoke everywhere you go might make you feel safer, but then you are in the middle of smoke and for tanks with older optics this makes it difficult to attack because you don't see anything anymore.
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Antigravitas posted:That's a bizarre post. I know that the explanation is that they're poorly trained and badly equipped, but to the OP it's apparently tank battle preschool to not get themselves killed and indeed suspicious that they would allow such a thing to happen.
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I know this is a strict no humour / no sarcasm zone, but my read on the post was "wow, this is so unbelievably badly executed you'd be forgiven to think it's a conspiracy". The more obvious explanation is hubris and structural/doctrinal problems, of course.
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Nenonen posted:I'll continue, hope you don't mind, because it needs to be said that 'simplistic concepts' depend on a solid doctrinal training. When vehicles (or infantrymen) move in combat readiness they have assigned sectors to watch. You can't face towards threat if no one in the column even knows what is going on. This in turn takes lots of training to get to the level where crews can detect and react to a missile launch in a meaningful manner, like the Israeli Sagger drill. Just popping smoke everywhere you go might make you feel safer, but then you are in the middle of smoke and for tanks with older optics this makes it difficult to attack because you don't see anything anymore. I look forward to one of the formally knowledgeable tank people weighing in, but a couple quick things: It's a well done ambush in a location that leaves almost no options. On one side you have AT crews (and probably a bunch of mines, too), on the other side a minefield. The area has been pre-designated for artillery and Ukraine generally is good about having some precision shells on hand for tanks in the open, particularly if they anticipate the movement, which they clearly did if they had time to set up an involved ambush. When the ambush starts the options are to either go forward, turn into the ambush and push through it and hope that the site isn't further mined, or, in the dark comedy of t-72s/90s reverse at 4km/h. T-80s reverse faster, but not much. Even those options are limited because the most destructive ambushes like this start with the lead and rear vehicles getting hit. Meanwhile sitting still is likely a death sentence between atgm crews and artillery. Dismouting gets you shot. Getting out alive there likely requires significant accurate and timely fire support and hopefully some other friendly element that can pressure the ambush from the flanks. Ideally you'd want jets dropping very large munitions on the ambush site as quickly as possible, but Russia does not do much of the on-station, loitering CAS. In reality, the solution to textbook ambushes is to not end up in one in the first place. idk, it seems to mostly just be a good ambush that relies on a bunch of the time-tested principles of ambushing vehicles on roads. I shout out the book Street Without Joy by Bernard Fall periodically which details how on a particular stretch of highway in Vietnam, small forces of Viet Minh were ambushing and destroying mechanized elements of French expeditionary forces that at times out numbered them as much as 10:1 while taking comparatively minor losses. It remains a very good description of just how dangerous road-based warfare is for the side limited to roads. The Viet Minh were accomplish this success by heavily mining all areas off the main road, setting up recoilless rifle teams along the designated stretch for vehicles and fighting positions to deal with dismounts, preparing firing solutions for mortars in advance (or whatever they had available) along the ambush zone and maintaining defensive elements to hold off flanking or relief efforts. Doing this the VM were wiping out entire French columns at a time because mechanized warfare loses all of its advantages if it can't move. Ukraine has been executing these basically textbook ambushes for a long time, albeit with more modern weapons and far better intelligence than the Viet Minh could have dreamed of. TLDR; road warfare is extremely deadly if you get pinned. Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 09:42 on Mar 3, 2023 |
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I mean, OP is directly drawing a link their conspiracy theories from the strategic level to the operational level.Huggybear posted:I know, I've seen analyses like that multiple times and I agree. There are still enough blatantly obvious and deeply stupid oversights that I think all that is correct, and they're all drunk or hosed up on opiates or both, and that I am vaguely convinced there are Russians high enough up that they want them to fail... From these two paragraphs, we get: 1. A conspiracy in the upper levels, 2. Something so basic that anyone could have done it, but chose not to (probably due to conspiracies???) This is dumb, and that's why I called it out.
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Yeah idk what is going on in that post. Ukraine is just good at ambush warfare and mistakes in road-based warfare are extremely costly.
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Thanks for posting that stuff. I had drafted something similar, but way worse. It's also worth mentioning how poo poo visibility in a tank buttoned down for combat is. For example just a couple modern/updated tanks have cameras in the rear to be used by driver. Even if way back is clear of obstacles you would need some instructions on how to GTFO to the rear without ramming friendlies.
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Huggybear posted:I find Russia's lack of tactics to be increasingly more bizarre. Mass infantry attack? At least pop some smoke; literally not once have I seen an video where they do so.
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A bridge on the last magistral road into Bakhmut has been blown overnight. Repair attempts are planned, and some gravel roads are supposedly still leading out of the town. https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-03-3-23/h_2194d84ca2808eaf0836eece6e2bdf85
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I'm starting to wonder if the Ukrainians are ever going to pull back from Bakhmut. I'm no longer convinced they will. Assuming that Bakhmut's main strategic relevance is indeed its ability to tie up Russian troops who cannot be deployed elsewhere, the intention might be to willingly turn it into a second Mariupol that buys time for the Ukrainian counteroffensives later this year (probably elsewhere in the country, but perhaps even a counteroffensive to liberate or envelop Bakhmut before the Russians can properly dig in?) instead of pulling back.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-03/adelaide-anti-vaccination-protest-used-for-russian-propaganda/102040148 An anti-vaccine protest organised in the Australian city of Adelaide unexpectedly had a bunch of people turn up with Russian flags and Z signage. Russian media reported the protest as being pro-Russian and having been co-organised with a local Russian nationalist group. The actual organiser says that's false quote:... CONTENT WARNING, description of sexual violence https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-03/lgbt-queer-rights-ukraine-war-russia/102033612 This article briefly describes some struggles of LGBT Ukrainians, exacerbated by the war. This organisation UKRAINEPRIDE reckons the Ukrainian public is moving toward a progressive view on LGBT rights, partly because LGBT Ukrainians are asserting themselves in the terrible circumstances, and partly in opposition to the (imo fascistic) view of the Russian government quote:...
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Deltasquid posted:I'm starting to wonder if the Ukrainians are ever going to pull back from Bakhmut. I'm no longer convinced they will. Assuming that Bakhmut's main strategic relevance is indeed its ability to tie up Russian troops who cannot be deployed elsewhere, the intention might be to willingly turn it into a second Mariupol that buys time for the Ukrainian counteroffensives later this year (probably elsewhere in the country, but perhaps even a counteroffensive to liberate or envelop Bakhmut before the Russians can properly dig in?) instead of pulling back. There’s also gotta be some propaganda value in shutting down the Russian offensive, in which Bakhmut seems to be their objective/main effort. Even now they’ve successfully blunted that main effort, and made the Russians pay absolutely dearly for every meter of ground they’ve taken.
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"Turning your hull into enemy fire" isn't "easy" when enemy fire is coming from every single direction, including ATGMs and artillery above, with mines below and oh by the way you're pinned in place because leading and trailing vehicles were hit first specifically for this reason. All of that is happening with zero warning, in seconds, with no coherent orders and no outside support. Getting ambushed like that means you're hosed. There's no one simple trick at that point. You either don't get in to that situation in the first place, have friendly forces bail your rear end out immediately, or you die. Those are your options and they are very specifically engineered that way on purpose.
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It appears that the Estonian plan to do group procurement of artillery shells for Ukraine in the EU is moving ahead. Pared down from the initial EUR 4bn proposition to EUR 1bn, all EU member states except Denmark (they want to, but have to sort out their local laws first) are participating, Norway joining them. The game plan seems to be to offer all 12 EU 155 mm shell manufacturers and an unspecified number of Norwegian producers a long-term “purchasing platform” affair with an initial tranche of 1bn, for replacement munitions. When that happens (ETA late March-early April), participating countries will be able to send ammo out of their strategic stocks, having a guaranteed refill through this platform, with reimbursement rate starting at 90% and dropping to 40% at the time. https://www.ft.com/content/75ee9701-aa93-4c5d-a1bc-7a51422280fdDeltasquid posted:I'm starting to wonder if the Ukrainians are ever going to pull back from Bakhmut. I'm no longer convinced they will. Assuming that Bakhmut's main strategic relevance is indeed its ability to tie up Russian troops who cannot be deployed elsewhere, the intention might be to willingly turn it into a second Mariupol that buys time for the Ukrainian counteroffensives later this year (probably elsewhere in the country, but perhaps even a counteroffensive to liberate or envelop Bakhmut before the Russians can properly dig in?) instead of pulling back. I don't think they would be keen on losing hundreds or thousands of troops in the town.
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