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Steve Yun posted:During the early months of COVID lockdown, a bunch of actors including Jack Black, Diego Luna and Pedro Pascal recreated The Princess Bride as a fundraiser for charity. It was shot in their own homes on their own phones. The format is a lot like Our Robocop Movie where different teams did different segments. This looks cute, thank you for sharing!
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Steve Yun posted:It’s still in some uncanny valley of not looking right Tbf, beyond the ethical issues there are also a ton of legal questions around it. AI works already can't be copyrighted, and I feel like it's only going to take one lawsuit from a big rights holder to nuke the whole field. Plus, no matter how much the tech advances, I think there'll always be questions of quality - I don't think this kind of thing is ever really gonna be able to shake off the second-rate ersatz vibe that comes from training the AI on other people's work, and other people's work is never gonna be so pricey or inaccessible that audiences will choose the copies over the originals.
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Black Lighter posted:Tbf, beyond the ethical issues there are also a ton of legal questions around it. AI works already can't be copyrighted, and I feel like it's only going to take one lawsuit from a big rights holder to nuke the whole field. I don't think that would be enough. Many of the big machine learning image generation programs are pulling from huge databases created from trawling the internet, and certainly have pulled from stuff correctly owned by other people, but that's not a requirement of the tech. Someone could almost certainly build an adequately large database from artwork they legally do own, provided they own enough of it. Such a person (or organization) could use the tech without any legal risk. Disney owns quite a lot of artwork, for example.
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Schwarzwald posted:I don't think that would be enough. Many of the big machine learning image generation programs are pulling from huge databases created from trawling the internet, and certainly have pulled from stuff correctly owned by other people, but that's not a requirement of the tech. Someone could almost certainly build an adequately large database from artwork they legally do own, provided they own enough of it. Such a person (or organization) could use the tech without any legal risk. Sure, but if they did that, they'd be endorsing and legitimizing technology that's almost certainly going to be used to steal their own works, and on a massive scale. I don't know that it's really worth it to Disney to popularize AI and wind up playing whack-a-mole with a million porn sites hosting images of Disney-style princesses just for the sake of cutting out animators and VFX artists who they already underpay. It's in their best interest to encourage the already-prevalent distaste for this stuff until someone crosses a line and allows them to come down hard enough that it discourages future development.
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I could actually see Disney using voice Deepfakes of cast members to keep the Simpsons going in perpetuity. Get voice likeness rights signed away and offer the main cast big fat paychecks for the privilege.
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Black Lighter posted:Sure, but if they did that, they'd be endorsing and legitimizing technology that's almost certainly going to be used to steal their own works, and on a massive scale. I don't know that it's really worth it to Disney to popularize AI and wind up playing whack-a-mole with a million porn sites hosting images of Disney-style princesses just for the sake of cutting out animators and VFX artists who they already underpay. It's in their best interest to encourage the already-prevalent distaste for this stuff until someone crosses a line and allows them to come down hard enough that it discourages future development. I think the genie is already out of the bottle on that one.
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AI has been used to generate animation for feature films for decades, like in the big army battles in the Lord of the Rings movies. I struggle to see why machine-learning based tools would be a line they wouldn't cross. I don't think anyone thinks they're going to ask Stable Diffusion or whatever to make a movie based on a paragraph prompt. They'll find the tasks the tech is good for and make use of products motivated by the current experimentation.
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Being an artist is already very financially rewarding, this can’t be anything but good you guys
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I rewatched HEAT last night as part of my short Sizemore-athon. It's still one of my absolute favourite movies. Edie and Neil's non-goodbye is really heartbreaking on rewatch. The last thing he says to her is something like "I'll be back in a minute" and they don't even say a word to each other when he comes back only to see Vincent approaching. Just the saddest way to leave someone hanging, he even takes one last look at her before running away. In contrast, the cops trying to get Charlene to give up Chris, and her standing on the balcony tipping him off, is almost anticlimactic, probably deliberately. In retrospect what's even more startling about their goodbye (Edie & Neil's) is that there's absolutely no follow-up on Edie's part. The actual ending does make sense as really the core of the movie is Neil's story, it just makes it hurt that much worse that the last we see of Edie is her standing by her car looking bewildered. As someone mentioned already upthread, the conversation between Neil, Michael and Chris where Neil is trying to get them to walk away from the bank job, is fantastic. Sizemore really sells that adrenaline-junkie line, "for me, the action is the juice." The action is still top-notch, you don't need me to tell you that. I'd be interested to read more about Andy McNab's involvement because I understand it was very extensive. Apart from the fact there's a nod to gun nuts in just about every action sequence, obviously Chris' proper tactical reload "that they totally show to USMC recruits omg," I forgot that Chris and Neil are doing very literal Bounding Overwatch drills all the way up the street. I would absolutely not be surprised if - not unlike actual military operations - McNab and the crew mocked-up the set in the desert somewhere and had them drill their exact movements repeatedly before they even dressed the actual set. There's also some superfluous side-plot stuff that I don't care for and I think drags the movie a bit. Dennis Haysbert's character is obviously some representation of the oppressive and cyclical justice system, but ultimately he's just an understudy for Trejo when he becomes compromised. I think more thorough fleshing out of his character than one scene with his lovely kitchen manager would have worked, but either way his presence is kind of hamfisted and IDK where I'd put more character development for him because his scenes are already kind of "who the gently caress is this guy?" Waingro's 'prostitute serial killer' backstory, too, I don't think serves much of a purpose. We get it, he's a bad guy even by the standards of the company he keeps. I'm gonna say it as well: I think the whole story arc with Vincent's partner and her daughter is a bit silly; I should definitely never have kids but I totally never saw the daughter's suicide attempt coming and felt it was a cheap way to show how his character was between a rock and a hard place. The soundtrack is also perfectly 1990s ridiculous. It was the Lethal Weapon era, where everything had to have this grunge-rock feel and every scene of intimacy absolutely had to be scored with a saxophone or guitar solo... Holy poo poo loving MOBY did the closing theme??? That's awesome. Is this the appropriate thread to discuss analyses of films and what we think about their messaging, or is there a more appropriate one? I was talking with a buddy about one of my favourite comedies, Four Lions, and wanted to put some ideas out there and pose some questions. Mister Speaker fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Mar 2, 2023 |
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Mister Speaker posted:Is this the appropriate thread to discuss analyses of films and what we think about their messaging, or is there a more appropriate one? I was talking with a buddy about one of my favourite comedies, Four Lions, and wanted to put some ideas out there and pose some questions. This is a fine thread for that sort of thing. Or if you want something that might get more extended attention, you could consider putting forward Four Lions as a movie of the month, assuming your ideas/questions would work as a starting point for a thread.
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Danny Trejo's character is named Trejo
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Everyone was named after real criminals, Danny just happened to be named after himself.
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I wonder if someone told Jon Voight to dress like Eddie Bunker or if he just showed up on the Heat set already dressed like that.
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Oh yeah Jon Voight has powerful 'dirty old man' energy in that movie. Other actors with powerful 'dirty old man' energy: Ian McShane, Rutger Hauer (also Dutch so 100% a pervert), Mark Margolis, Stacy Keach. Christopher Plummer kinda has it too, I mean he looks like he's got a pocketful of Werther's Originals on him at all times.
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Jon Voight was in my favorite twin peaks the return episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAbupqN85rw
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It says a lot about Eady that she doesn't bail on Neil even after things are clearly going down, It's fleshed out more in the sequel but it does make it clear that she wanted to be with him regardless of what kind of man he was, instead of being forced into it. From what I remember of Mann's talk on the Rewatchables, they did exactly that, regarding setting up the fake set in the desert to drill for the bank shootout. He wanted to make it very clear that despite the police setting up the roadblock, the crew were closer to military than a gang. They could out gun the cops and they had the tactical sense to know it. I disagree on the superfluous nature of the subplots for two reasons. First because the movie is one of those movies about a place and time as much as it is about Neil or Chris or Vincent. Those shots of LA from Eady's apartment say it all, there's going to be another score, more crimes, more cases and collars. Hanna being able to dial in and get the scent of Neil like a bloodhound is effective, but just like how it destroys his marriage it also distracts him from all other criminal considerations. Objectively, if he had focused on Waingro he'd have put away a dangerous serial killer, prevented multiple deaths of cops and civilians in the bank job, and the Crew would've made it out clean with no deaths on the job excepting Van Zant probably. Just like Neil his effectiveness leads to destruction all around him. Secondly, for his step daughter. I think the movie did quite the job in her few scenes laying down what was up with her. Her first scene is her obsessing about a father that will never come, to the point of neurosis. Then she shows up at the bus stop looking for Hanna wearing the barrettes that she wanted to wear when her bio dad came around. Then she tries to kill herself in his room. When Hanna goes off about what a POS her father is in the opening scenes, he realizes not that the same could be said of him, and it's not until he has to pull her nearly dead body out of the tub that he understands he's abandoned her just as much as her real father did. And the worst part is that he is going to do it again, when the beeper goes off he goes. Just like Neil turning off the freeway to get Waingro, these men are junkies, they can't live with out the action, no matter how much they wrap themselves up in philosophy or duty or any other such thing. Neil himself came close to escaping it, with his 30 seconds drop everything approach, but when he let Eady breach into his heart it also opened a crack for the feelings of revenge towards Waingro in. That same passion he'd denied himself for all those years is what finally gave him a chance to escape the game, and ensured he never would. If anyone is interested, I'm almost halfway through exactly and can recommend HEAT 2 pretty heartily. The film is doing a lot of heavy lifting to force the character voice into your minds, but even when it slips into new locales and locations the dialogue keeps the heightened hyperrealist crime cant that Mann does so well. It serves as a prequel to tell of how the pieces got to that bank heist, and what happened afterwards with Chris and Nate. It also serves as a sort of eulogy to that era of criminality, it's clear from the novel that even just a few years later Neil would be a dinosaur out of his element.
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That tweet about Michael Mann wanting to rescore Public Enemies with a soundtrack completely composed of Chicago Drill music lives in my head 24/7.
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Sir Kodiak posted:This is a fine thread for that sort of thing. Alright wicked. Seen and heard about the Movie Of the Month thing, IDK if I have the energy or even the content to do that, I think maybe just a li'l discussion ITT would tide me over. OK, so Four Lions, I think, has a lot more going on than 'dark comedy about some bumbling idiot would-be suicide bombers.' At its core, I think the obvious 'thesis' of the movie is that: In the 2000s, we in the west have been conditioned by media and propaganda to think that there is some nefarious 'terror network' of capable, intelligent and well-funded terrorists bent on doing us harm. The reality is that most terrorists are disillusioned, traumatized, young stupid men with their mental illness taken advantage of by overseas rhetoric - maybe occasionally actually connected to the leadership, but not likely. In the film, Omar is the only character with any real connection to 'real terrorists', and it's a tenuous one that's left slightly ambiguous - did his uncle radicalize him at a young age? The crew fights each other over leadership and over who will join him to train in Pakistan, and when he and Waj finally go, we don't see them doing any actual training, they treat it as almost a vacation and the locals are flabbergasted at their ignorance - interestingly their piety is not really called into question by the mujahid, only their competence. We also see Barry recruit Hasan Malik with a monologue in the car that... just doesn't make any sense. How anyone - even a disillusioned young Muslim taken to shocking pranks like pretending to be a suicide bomber at a debate - could be convinced by Barry citing "women talking back" and "people playing stringed instruments" as western decadence, is beyond me. But Mal joins up, no questions asked. There's also some stuff in there, I think, about grappling with the futility of their actions - or really, anyone's actions in the system. Faisal talks about his eccentrically pious father, whom Barry discredits with the line "has your dad ever bought a jaffa orange? ... Right, he's buying nukes for Israel." The point even goes over his head, I think, but it's a solid one about it being basically unavoidable to live without sin; another way of saying 'no ethical consumption under capitalism'. Additionally to the 'futility' point, when Faisal accidentally blows himself up in a field, almost immediately the crew are trying to rationalize the very real death of their friend that they just saw, as a martyrdom. "He disrupted the infrastructure" by taking a single sheep with him. Even Omar isn't having it at this point. There's something of a message behind Omar's family dynamic as well, but this one I can't really get a read on. He talks openly with his wife and child about his impending martyrdom, but by traditional religious standards their family does not appear to be particularly devout. At least against the deliberate comparison that is his brother, an extremely pious - arguably regressive - Muslim who won't even be in the same room as a woman, but spends his time in the film pleading with Omar to back out of the terrorism plan. And of course near the end of the film it's his home that gets raided by the police. What do you think? There's also something behind Waj's conversation with the kebab shop employee and then the hostage negotiator. He doesn't have any demands. I can't quite figure this one out either, but it's got to have something to do with our inability to empathize with 'the enemy', that failure to communicate being at the core of our conflict with one another. Thoughts on this too? The darkly heartwarming scene where the crew effectively reunites and commits to their plan, centers on Waj being abused by Barry. This has got to be a commentary on the problem inherent with power dynamics. And Omar's assertion, "I may ask you to blow yourself up, but I will never ask you to piss in your own mouth," (to which Waj responds with the hilariously heartfelt "... Yeah?"), not only drives home the movie's ideas on brotherhood, but shows a moment of reverence for their terrible cause; they may kill in the name of what's right, but they will never debase themselves. Or maybe I just read waaay too far into movies that are supposed to be dumb fun.
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This is great, thanks. Especially the parts about Hanna and Macauley's "effectiveness destroying those around them," solid stuff. I had actually kind of tuned out on those Natalie Portman moments because I remembered just being so disinterested in the family subplot before, but you're absolutely right that it was all there. I had no idea there was a sequel. Going to check that out tonight. EDIT: So wait, it's just a novel, but it looks like there is actually a plan to make it? Or some sort of sequel/prequel, anyway. IDK how reliable this source is but it's cool news.
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Schwarzwald posted:I think the genie is already out of the bottle on that one. In terms of the tech being available, sure, but not in terms of mass acceptance and adoption. People outside of techbro circles don't seem to like this stuff at all and corporations can't copyright it to make a buck off of it, so I think it would be pretty easy for big rights holders to help create an atmosphere that's actively hostile to AI.
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Mister Speaker posted:Oh yeah Jon Voight has powerful 'dirty old man' energy in that movie. Powers Boothe was the sharpest sleaze!
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Can we at least stop referring to it as AI? Because it's still nothing like intelligence. It's procedural generation. The user inputs a certain set of parameters, and the program has all sorts of internal weights and modifiers, but it's still putting a marble down a chute. To a certain extent there's a lot of magical thinking in the way the debate is being handled because in the end it's just a much more complex version of the logic that a game like Spelunky uses to generate levels. And that's the thing, there are legitimate uses for procedural generation tools but it's not exactly a labor saver so much as it is a way of generating unpredictable results. They usually require work at both ends to finesse into something that works.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Can we at least stop referring to it as AI? Because it's still nothing like intelligence. I'm not really an AI cheerleader but there's a big difference in both complexity and quality of outcome between writing out specific conditions by hand (if diceroll equals 6 then place spider etc) and having a model that you can describe a task to in natural language and get usable results (make me a spelunky level with a bunch of sliders in it). The "intelligence" aspect is the ability of the algorithm to learn associations by example.
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AI rules because it’s weird and jank
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Went and saw that new Guy Ritchie Flick thats been stuck in limbo for some time. First half is bad, second half saves it from being a total miss. Aubrey Plaza has the worst dialogue I've ever heard in a film, NCIS level fake technical mumbo jumbo, but Hugh Grant is having a great time. For a dime store Bond/MI: Kingsman, YRF Spy Universe, XxX are all better bets but if you're bored it's not the worst thing ever.
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MacheteZombie posted:It's that time where I once again humbly ask someone to volunteer for the motm. Any takers? offer has been claimed! MacheteZombie fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Mar 3, 2023 |
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Mister Speaker posted:There's something of a message behind Omar's family dynamic as well, but this one I can't really get a read on. He talks openly with his wife and child about his impending martyrdom, but by traditional religious standards their family does not appear to be particularly devout. At least against the deliberate comparison that is his brother, an extremely pious - arguably regressive - Muslim who won't even be in the same room as a woman, but spends his time in the film pleading with Omar to back out of the terrorism plan. And of course near the end of the film it's his home that gets raided by the police. What do you think? I know that Chris Morris did a lot of research while writing the film, and made a deliberate effort to correct the record about who typically becomes a terrorist. In practice he found it's not the pious, strict adherents but the more fringe characters who end up radicalised. What's nice about the film is that it forgives you if you're surprised to learn that - because the police are right with you making the same mistake; surveilling, arresting and shooting the wrong people. Although the medium is comedy, the film had a lot to say! Your thoughts about how they try (and fail) to rationalise the death of Faisal dovetail with one of the things I most admire about the film: the tightrope it walks with the ending. Despite all four bombs going off, killing dozens, none of our protagonists succeed on their own terms. Hassan is blown up by Barry, so he isn't a martyr of his own violition. Waj's admission he "doesn't know what he's doing" seals the same fate for him. There's a particular irony in Barry getting blown up by a Good Samaritan, given his earlier comment about there being no such thing as an innocent bloke. And Omar only strikes a target we know he considers worthless, a branch of Boots. There's no glory for anyone on any side.
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For whatever reason, I never got around to seeing John Carpenter's The Fog until today. I'm a big Carpenter fan, but I guess it just slipped by for years for whatever reason. The Fog rules. Just a really solid low-key horror flick. I kinda get why it was a little underwhelming at the time, but I'm glad it has a following.
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Anonymous Robot posted:I’ve tried to watch it like three times and fallen asleep each time. I do want to see it tho! The Fog of Bore
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Safety Factor posted:For whatever reason, I never got around to seeing John Carpenter's The Fog until today. I'm a big Carpenter fan, but I guess it just slipped by for years for whatever reason. It's just a very solid little ghost story that makes its limitations into strengths.
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FreudianSlippers posted:It's just a very solid little ghost story that makes its limitations into strengths. The ghosts are also really cool looking.
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Anonymous Robot posted:I’ve tried to watch it like three times and fallen asleep each time. I do want to see it tho! It’s easy to fall asleep to. It’s got a very chill vibe as far as horror movies go.
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Mister Speaker posted:Tom Sizemore is in hospital with a brain aneurysm and his family is "deciding end-of-life matters." https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1632320044070850561?s=20 RIP
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Rest in piss to a guy who loved using his girlfriends as his own personal punching bags.
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