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Anyway after careful thought here’s the unbalanced pod scheduling format for a 16 team iteration of the Big 12 that will almost certainly never happen: Western Pod Arizona Arizona State BYU Colorado Utah Texas Pod Baylor Houston Oklahoma State TCU Texas Tech Heartand Pod Iowa State Kansas Kansas State Eastern Pod Cincinnati UCF West Virginia 8 game schedule (everyone gets plenty of non-con takes to pay for all that travel) Even years - Western Pod and Eastern Pod are paired, Texas Pod and Heartland Pod are paired Odd Years - Western Pod and Heartland Pod are paired, Texas Pod and Eastern Pod are paired That makes seven games for each team; for the 8th game the two five team pods and the two three team pods slowly cycle through each other. Everyone plays each other pretty regularly except the Texas and Western team. They only see each other once every five years, but that’s not really any great loss. General Dog fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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Edward Mass posted:I think y'all should read about the proposed Airplane Conference that could have happened in 1959 if the Pentagon didn't nix it. I'd never heard of this East: Army, Navy, Notre Dame, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Syracuse West: Air Force, Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC, Washington loving wild
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If the Big 12 really goes to 16 teams, they should just keep the 9 game schedule and do two divisions of 8 teams. Play 7 in-division, play 2 out of division. Guarantees that you play every school at least once in 4 years. West Colorado Utah BYU Arizona ASU Texas Tech TCU Baylor East Kansas ISU KSU Houston UCF Cincinnati WVU OSU e: if you wanted to keep 2 Texas teams in each division then swap like Baylor and OSU or something. Bird in a Blender fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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Adding the four corner school to the big 12 sets up a pretty tidy 4-team pod situation: West BYU Utah Arizona Arizona State North Colorado Kansas Kansas State Oklahoma State South Texas Tech TCU Baylor Houston East Iowa State Cincinnati West Virginia UCF Do a 3-2-2-2 conference schedule, no cross-pod rivalries. Balances competitiveness, geography, and history. Everyone gets a game in Texas every year. Bing bong so simple Also lol what in the world is this av
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I feel like the unbalanced pods (5, 5, 3, 3) aren’t as tidy, but keeps everyone a lot happier; effectively giving the mountain schools and the Texas schools (Oklahoma State included) the feeling of each having their own little conference.
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Judgy Fucker posted:Adding the four corner school to the big 12 sets up a pretty tidy 4-team pod situation: Yeah this works pretty well although Iowa State might be miffed to be thrown into what is basically the "other" pod since the pods are Big 8, Pac 10, SWC, Other.
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LeeMajors posted:Losing annual Tennessee and LSU games really loving sucks LSU is always so tough. Even during the Tebow days they were a huge obstacle. I'm not heartbroken, especially since UGA and FSU are big annual games. Losing Tennessee just feels wrong, though.
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Dunno why but I just thought about something like a 6-6-6 configuration in a hypothetical 18-team conference. 5 game round robin inside a division, 4 games against the other divisions, and 3 non-conference games. Division winners plus one wild card in a four team playoff. The top two teams play a 13 game schedule though, so maybe cut one of the non-conference games? The SEC can send that royalty check straight to these nuts.
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dirty shrimp money posted:Dunno why but I just thought about something like a 6-6-6 configuration in a hypothetical 18-team conference. 5 game round robin inside a division, 4 games against the other divisions, and 3 non-conference games. Division winners plus one wild card in a four team playoff. The top two teams play a 13 game schedule though, so maybe cut one of the non-conference games? I have a hard time seeing a conference championship playoff ever being permitted or desired. The championship games are already about to be pretty pointless for the SEC and Big Ten once the 12-team playoff is in place; no use in adding more filler to that.
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Insane to think Tennessee is losing the Florida game when they finally unfucked the program and were set to dominate them for a decade smdh
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General Dog posted:I have a hard time seeing a conference championship playoff ever being permitted or desired. The championship games are already about to be pretty pointless for the SEC and Big Ten once the 12-team playoff is in place; no use in adding more filler to that. Counterpoint: money
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Florida dodged Tennessee for 60 years and happened to be good in the '90s because they got a coach who grew up in Tennessee.
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General Dog posted:The PAC-12 is hyperfucked in the long term; but I have a hard time seeing the tv contract being so bad that anybody jumps for the Big 12 right now. This largely smells like a few perfunctory phone calls being spun into hot, hot offseason content. $5 mil/year is a 10-20% revenue boost depending on where things fall out in '25-26. TV-only Big XII deal is $30 mil/team, so going from $25 mil to $30 mil is a good chunk if that's how it works out. That's not small fries. e: scheduling format - no divisions, variable fixed rivalries (some teams get 1, some get 4, Iowa State doesn't get any), rest of schedule randomized by a computer based on previous year's results (with the top half getting tougher schedules and the bottom half easier). kayakyakr fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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kayakyakr posted:$5 mil/year is a 10-20% revenue boost depending on where things fall out in '25-26. TV-only Big XII deal is $30 mil/team, so going from $25 mil to $30 mil is a good chunk if that's how it works out. That's not small fries. It's not small fries, but I think the decision makers (especially at CU but also the others) are likely to still put a lot of value into the perceived academic clout Pac-12 membership brings. To make that kind of move this year, I think it would require quite large fries.
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General Dog posted:It's not small fries, but I think the decision makers (especially at CU but also the others) are likely to still put a lot of value into the perceived academic clout Pac-12 membership brings. To make that kind of move this year, I think it would require quite large fries. I do think the difference would need to be in the range of ~$10 mil to get them to move. ~$5 mil leaves them on the fence, especially if adding any additional teams are going to reduce payouts the schools.
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PostNouveau posted:Yeah this works pretty well although Iowa State might be miffed to be thrown into what is basically the "other" pod since the pods are Big 8, Pac 10, SWC, Other. Yea, those blow for me. There are three schools closer to ISU than Cincinnati, the closest school in that pod, and probably 6-7 more schools closer to us than WVU, the next closest school in that pod. This is why I hate 4 team pods, they're just too small and 1-2 schools are going to get totally hosed. I also hate having all the Texas teams in one pod because it recreates the same imbalance we had with the old Big 12 north/south divisions.
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Bird in a Blender posted:Yea, those blow for me. There are three schools closer to ISU than Cincinnati, the closest school in that pod, and probably 6-7 more schools closer to us than WVU, the next closest school in that pod. This is why I hate 4 team pods, they're just too small and 1-2 schools are going to get totally hosed. I also hate having all the Texas teams in one pod because it recreates the same imbalance we had with the old Big 12 north/south divisions. It does suck for ISU that way. But it'll wind up sucking for someone If we take a balanced 4 team pod based on GD's, it winds up more even, but also sucks for Houston specifically: Western Pod Arizona Arizona State BYU Utah Texas Pod Baylor Colorado TCU Texas Tech Heartand Pod Iowa State Oklahoma State Kansas Kansas State Eastern Pod Houston Cincinnati UCF West Virginia
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west virginia you gotta get out of there girl
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kayakyakr posted:It does suck for ISU that way. Yeah I think Houston is the only one that's really unhappy there; they didn't claw their way into the Big 12 to be stuck in a ghetto with their old AAC mates. Colorado I'm sure is happy enough to get a foot back in Texas.
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General Dog posted:I have a hard time seeing a conference championship playoff ever being permitted or desired. The championship games are already about to be pretty pointless for the SEC and Big Ten once the 12-team playoff is in place; no use in adding more filler to that. Not with conf champs getting byes. Those games aren't going to be for playoff admission, but they will absolutely matter for seeding and byes.
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With the way realignment is going they should take the byes from the ACC and Pac-12 to give to the Big 10 and SEC runners up. 
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The Big Ten should swap Rutgers for WVU
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JesustheDarkLord posted:Florida dodged Tennessee for 60 years and happened to be good in the '90s because they got a coach who grew up in Tennessee. You're missing the last 20 years where we annually Mr. Magoo'd our way past Tennessee.
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Komet posted:The Big Ten should swap Rutgers for WVU A sack of magic beans would be an adequate trade.
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Soylent Pudding posted:With the way realignment is going they should take the byes from the ACC and Pac-12 to give to the Big 10 and SEC runners up. The idea that the Big 10 could field a second team other than Ohio State that could actually be a legit contender is the funny part of this.
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In a 12-team playoff maybe 4 teams will be legit contenders.
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Sash! posted:A sack of magic beans would be an adequate trade. Do they have to be magic?
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Rick posted:The idea that the Big 10 could field a second team other than Ohio State that could actually be a legit contender is the funny part of this. I don't think it is much of a stretch think that between Michigan, Penn State, and USC that the Big Ten could get two teams into the final four. I'd consider it to be more a function of how the seeding worked than available teams. Heck, if we'd had the format this year, you'd have probably seen a Michigan-Ohio State rematch in the semi finals. #6 Ohio State defeats #11 Penn State and #3 Clemson, which doesn't seem like a stretch. Michigan would have had a win over the winner of Alabama/USC and that doesn't seem implausible either.
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Judgy Fucker posted:In a 12-team playoff maybe 4 teams will be legit contenders. Tulane doesn’t belong on the field with USC
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Spacebump posted:Tulane doesn’t belong on the field with USC  Let them keep sleeping on the American
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Look at the polls for the last decade and try to find more than 6 in any given year that make sense to be competing for a natty. You won't.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Look at the polls for the last decade and try to find more than 6 in any given year that make sense to be competing for a natty. You won't. True, but in a single elimination format with increased opportunities to gently caress up (or get injured) and less time to prep, strange things can happen. We will probably never get a G5 champ but a random 5 seed could certainly get the right breaks for one.
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The Notorious ZSB posted:Look at the polls for the last decade and try to find more than 6 in any given year that make sense to be competing for a natty. You won't. Teams not in the playoffs from the past season that were better than TCU include: Tennessee, Alabama, Tulane, Clemson, and USC. Possibly Penn State, Washington, and Kansas State. Spacebump fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Mar 8, 2023 |
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Spacebump posted:Teams not in the playoffs from the past season that were better than TCU include: Tennessee, Alabama, Tulane, Clemson, and USC. Possibly Penn State, Washington, and Kansas State. I don’t know if TCU losing to Georgia by 100 points means they’re any worse than Tennessee who lost to South Carolina by 100 points.
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Spacebump posted:Teams not in the playoffs from the past season that were better than TCU include: Tennessee, Alabama, Tulane, Clemson, and USC. Possibly Penn State, Washington, and Kansas State. what
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Henchman of Santa posted:True, but in a single elimination format with increased opportunities to gently caress up (or get injured) and less time to prep, strange things can happen. We will probably never get a G5 champ but a random 5 seed could certainly get the right breaks for one. I think it will take less than four seasons for something like a #11 Penn State to upset a #6 Notre Dame then knock off an 8-5 #3 Pitt who ended up with the bye because they'd upset then #2 Florida State in the ACC Championship before heading into a rematch against #2 Ohio State, not blowing a fourth quarter lead this time, and then getting vaporized by #1 Georgia.
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Spacebump posted:Teams not in the playoffs from the past season that were better than TCU include: Tennessee, Alabama, Tulane, Clemson, and USC. Possibly Penn State, Washington, and Kansas State. This list is entirely to get Tulane in there isn't it?
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a neat cape posted:Announce SDSU to anywhere please I saw USM's position steadily evaporate over 20 years of conference realignment. I can't lie to you about your chances, but....you have my sympathies
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Spacemonkey57 posted:I don’t know if TCU losing to Georgia by 100 points means they’re any worse than Tennessee who lost to South Carolina by 100 points. Yeah well Alabama lost to a team that lost to SC by 100 so they can’t be on there either
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