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Blitz of 404 Error posted:Bakhmut also is extremely fortified and has extensive tunnels iirc and has been designed this way for years. It's easily possible that no cities west of Bakhmut have the same quantity of fortifications and it's not great that they're abandoning it To be fair, I'd heard that Ukraine themselves didn't believe both the towns could hold as long as they did at the beginning of the war. The intention was to buy as much time as possible (which certainly at the time wasn't expected to be 7-8 months) to build up the defense lines at Sloviansk/Kramatorsk/Siversk and other smaller lines before these cities. That's why the defensive calculus of Lyman being recaptured has helped take out at least one potential further axis of attack in the Donetsk oblast towards Sloviansk and Kramatorsk.
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Mar 6, 2023 19:07
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Per CNN. Might not want to take it at face value but as with most of the stats, if the numbers are even 50% boosted for propaganda purposes, it's still a rough pill to swallow if you're in the Russian army:
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Mar 6, 2023 19:14
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Blitz of 404 Error posted:Bakhmut also is extremely fortified and has extensive tunnels iirc and has been designed this way for years. It's easily possible that no cities west of Bakhmut have the same quantity of fortifications and it's not great that they're abandoning it There are multiple lines of defense west of Bakhmut that have been prepared alongside the front fortifications. That area is one of the most heavily fortified in the world right now, I'd say. If the Russians take Bakhmut then congrats, now do it again at Ivanivske, Mykolaivka, and Kostyantnyivka.
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Mar 6, 2023 19:17
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https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1632799803124924418 discussions on training programs + weapons procurement by EU ministers happening on March 7 or 8.
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Mar 6, 2023 19:18
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Oh wow, ok, straight up bonafide race science. That's definitely Russia's Musk. How did she make her fortune? Was it a caliper app for Android?
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Mar 6, 2023 19:35
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HonorableTB posted:There are multiple lines of defense west of Bakhmut that have been prepared alongside the front fortifications. That area is one of the most heavily fortified in the world right now, I'd say. If the Russians take Bakhmut then congrats, now do it again at Ivanivske, Mykolaivka, and Kostyantnyivka. Yeah, it was my understanding from what I read when Bakhmut first was "imminently" falling that Ukraine was in great shape to fortify the lines behind Bakhmut if the town could hold out for about a month. It's been half a year since then. Its amazing how long it's held out given that it's been under a dedicated assault for this long, resupply and such has had to have been a bitch, especially with russia pushing in around the edges. I hope everyone makes it out okay when they do have to retreat.
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Mar 6, 2023 19:37
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Captain Fargle posted:Thank you for the clarifications. you've done nothing wrong and I want to be welcoming but also the avatar post combo here got me good. GABA ghoul posted:Oh wow, ok, straight up bonafide race science. That's definitely Russia's Musk. How did she make her fortune? Was it a caliper app for Android? What, the
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Mar 6, 2023 19:46
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We can't invade and win against Mexico because then the GOP would lose like 98% of their talking points and campaign hate targets for their fundraising.
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Mar 6, 2023 19:50
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Tigey posted:Except 'stopping the war' by 'supporting peace' won't stop the genocide - it will accelerate it as Russia moves to consolidate its gains. what's the point of thread rule 1 if handwaving away 'stopping the war' and 'supporting peace' isn't considered bloodlust? mfw (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 6, 2023 20:20
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and we're off
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Mar 6, 2023 20:23
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Isizzlehorn posted:what's the point of thread rule 1 if handwaving away 'stopping the war' and 'supporting peace' isn't considered bloodlust? mfw why would you shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane?
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Mar 6, 2023 20:24
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Isizzlehorn posted:what's the point of thread rule 1 if handwaving away 'stopping the war' and 'supporting peace' isn't considered bloodlust? mfw Unless your version of 'stopping the war' means "Russians GTFO of Ukraine," you're just cheerleading genocide.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:26
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Mr Putin can negotiate for peace right now by jumping from a window of his choice, ideally landing on top of Shoigu.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:26
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Russia started this war in 2014 and the war ends when they and their colonial transplants take a hike out of Ukraine, Crimea, Donetsk, and Luhansk included, past the 1991 borders, and pay the bill for their dumb adventure and compensation besides. Simple as.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:28
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Guys, don't engage please. They are probed, move on.Philonius posted:On the off-chance that you're not merely stirring the pot, here's why : They made the Minsk I and II agreements and then fully supported the Rebels in reneging the agreements. Russia doesn't want peace. It wants land. Anybody pretending Russia is even remotely interested in peace is fully ignoring their actions both here, in Georgia, Chechnya, and elsewhere. Everytime they've made an agreement, they've just used to it open new fronts elsewhere or commit outright crimes against humanity. And now they've openly admitted their goal is both ethnic cleansing and genocide, you cannot pretend they want peace at all. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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Mar 6, 2023 20:29
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Isizzlehorn posted:what's the point of thread rule 1 if handwaving away 'stopping the war' and 'supporting peace' isn't considered bloodlust? mfw On the off-chance that you're not merely stirring the pot, here's why : 1. Russia's stated goal, repeated daily on their state TV, is the extinction of any notion of Ukranians as a separate people. Any peace deal that leaves Russia in control of part of Ukraine subjects the people in the occupied areas to more of the deprivations, from deportations, filtration camps, and the run of the mill abuse they subject their current domestic population to. 2. Any peace deal that leaves Russia in control of part of Ukraine would be rewarding Russia for their aggression. It needs to be clear to dictators the world over that conquest is not an option the rest of the world will tolerate. And the big one: 3. Russia has shown itself to be, both in this conflict as well as in the past, as a completely unreliable entity. They have used a similar cease fire in their conflict in Chechnia to regroup and return later to finish the job. They have negotiated evacuation corridors for civilians only to promptly target them with artillery. Any peace deal with Russia that leaves them in control of any of the occupied territories won't be worth the paper it's written on. The notion of a negotiated peace that will satisfy Russia in the long term, giving them some concessions to end the bloodshed, is an illusion. Anyone advocating it is either naive or malicious.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:30
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Philonius posted:On the off-chance that you're not merely stirring the pot, here's why :  
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Mar 6, 2023 20:31
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CommieGIR posted:They are probed, move on. Title of your sex tape
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Mar 6, 2023 20:31
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Flyinglemur posted:Title of your sex tape Best seller indeed.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:32
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Content: https://kyivindependent.com/national/ukrainian-soldiers-in-bakhmut-our-troops-are-not-being-protected
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Mar 6, 2023 20:34
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EDIT: hadn't seen IK post yet
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Mar 6, 2023 20:34
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CommieGIR posted:Best seller indeed. mod edit by Toxic Mental: For the love of god no the DeviantArt thread is thattaway, please don't post elf porn (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Somebody fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Mar 11, 2023 |
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Mar 6, 2023 20:36
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0YW4w_kcx0 Two new intercepted phone calls. Apparently now they're destabilizing units by adding tons of mobiks to the force structure, messing with unit cohesion, and still making nonsensical decisions on what to do with the units and where to send them. Second intercept is some people from the so-called DPR talking about how the occupiers are pushing for Russian passports in the territory there, saying there's going to be benefits. They then say of what use would those passports be, if they aren't planning on going to Russia themselves.
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Mar 6, 2023 20:39
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Why is it always the people who are least qualified who espouse theories of racial superiority
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Mar 6, 2023 20:47
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Butterfly Valley posted:Why is it always the people who are least qualified who espouse theories of racial superiority You have to be very dumb to believe it
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Mar 6, 2023 20:52
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Rust Martialis posted:mod edit: For the love of god no the DeviantArt thread is thattaway lmao i can only imagine what the gently caress that was
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Mar 6, 2023 20:54
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It was funny, but at the same time,
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Mar 6, 2023 20:56
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HonorableTB posted:lmao i can only imagine what the gently caress that was Hehe same 
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Mar 6, 2023 20:58
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Toxic Mental posted:It was funny, but at the same time, you broke your little ships
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Mar 6, 2023 21:03
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I just want to add that the subtitles omit her saying "... despite being poisoned a lot" after praising the Russian gene pool. I assume it refers to miscegenation/race mixing. What a piece of poo poo.
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Mar 6, 2023 21:03
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Back to a serious topic, the unarmed Ukrainian POW that the Russian soldiers filmed themselves murdering has become an instantly viral martyr. It spread so fast it's now on western mainstream media https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/russian-soldiers-execute-ukrainian-pow-135000255.html Russia's created an instant rallying figure, you really cannot get a more perfect encapsulation of this war than invaders making an unarmed prisoner dig his own grave and then killing him for saying Glory to Ukraine. Also new ISW dropped: https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1632737247492550658?t=kaFq-deTQZmcfcnPLL677Q&s=19 https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1632737251032432641?t=lk6j1UbJFNxtCUK9EsCoZQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1632737254006304768?t=pnyedoQQbVEfEqSsVk38Jw&s=19 https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1632737257462415360?t=tgaSTQh0qO-T4EHpNbgJUw&s=19 https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1632737259072942081?t=CRt0zbuJqYu3fr6VBcVeTA&s=19 HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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Mar 6, 2023 21:06
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HonorableTB posted:Back to a serious topic, the unarmed Ukrainian POW that the Russian soldiers filmed themselves murdering has become an instantly viral martyr. It spread so fast it's now on western mainstream media How monstrous. War is bad, and Russia is the warmongering party. A peace settlement without Russia leaving all of Ukraine, including Donbas and Crimea, is not peace.
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Mar 6, 2023 21:23
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https://twitter.com/skazal_on/status/1632839925195325443 New deranged Russian flag dropped "NOVORUSSIA to each what he deserves"
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Mar 6, 2023 21:27
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Runa posted:How monstrous. Yeah I think its the oddest take that people are pretending both that Ukraine wanted this war, delights in their cities being bombarded, AND should roll over and allow Russia to carry out its ethnic cleansing scheme. Especially after two failed cease fire agreements that resulted in further bloodshed prompted by Russia and its parties.
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Mar 6, 2023 21:28
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Runa posted:A peace settlement without Russia leaving all of Ukraine, including Donbas and Crimea, is not peace.
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Mar 6, 2023 21:30
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CommieGIR posted:Yeah I think its the oddest take that people are pretending both that Ukraine wanted this war, delights in their cities being bombarded, AND should roll over and allow Russia to carry out its ethnic cleansing scheme. Especially after two failed cease fire agreements that resulted in further bloodshed prompted by Russia and its parties. "Minsk 2 was acktually a trick of the perfidious Anglo-Saxons to permit the so-called Ukraine to train and arm up to attack Poor defenseless Russia first!" 
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Mar 6, 2023 21:39
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Runa posted:A peace settlement without Russia leaving all of Ukraine, including Donbas and Crimea, is not peace.
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Mar 6, 2023 21:40
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/skazal_on/status/1632839925195325443 "Jedem das Seine" (to each what he deserves) was on the main gate of Buchenwald
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Mar 6, 2023 21:48
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/skazal_on/status/1632839925195325443 thats some poo poo some video game writer would throw together if he wanted to make the russians the bad guys but not the goverment or some poo poo. reactionaries a such dumb sacks of poo poo
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/skazal_on/status/1632839925195325443 Haha wtf
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