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Ghost Leviathan posted:Edgy attention-getting marketing in the 90s was just, as the old man said, the style at the time. Continued into the 00s as well, where's the "what are you going to wear today?" Perfect Dark ad e: aha, here we are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZMph4U0w3o Aces High has a new favorite as of 19:06 on Mar 6, 2023 |
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BioEnchanted posted:I always liked Milenia from Grandia 2, I liked her whole vibe and her initially parasitic relationship with Elena developed in interesting ways. Oh hell yeah, Grandia 2 and Millenia especially owned. Also the battle theme for G2 goes way fuckin' harder than it has any right to. It rules. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jONfsUCAARE
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Mar 6, 2023 19:09
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Grandia 2 whips rear end and holds up amazingly well. Still to this day one of the best combat systems ever designed.
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Aces High posted:Continued into the 00s as well, where's the "what are you going to wear today?" Perfect Dark ad I always hated how late 90s commercials for N64 and PS1 would always show game footage of explosions, because that's when the frame rate drops to single digits and makes the game look like poo poo. I always thought, you're showing the worst parts of how the game performs!!!
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Maxwell Lord posted:ftfy posts you can hear
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Offler posted:It all looks incredibly weird to me. Like, do I understand it right that the reason a 15-year old 1-min video about a forgotten video game was posted now was so people would understand why some don't like the term JRPG? But the review didn't even say "JRPG"? Nor was it a review of anything, just some lame attempts at humor, which I guess is bad if you like the game. Did they review other games normally, but this only got 40 seconds of skits? It's really racist and the weirdly persistent racism around japanese games from the early 2000s to the 2010s was loving everywhere
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Improbable Lobster posted:It's really racist and the weirdly persistent racism around japanese games from the early 2000s to the 2010s was loving everywhere didn't the Fez guy take a lot of heat for going off on some rant on how japanese games were garbage? Or was it it the Braid guy?
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Ambitious Spider posted:didn't the Fez guy take a lot of heat for going off on some rant on how japanese games were garbage? Or was it it the Braid guy? Mostly Fish, but Blow agreed.
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Improbable Lobster posted:It's really racist and the weirdly persistent racism around japanese games from the early 2000s to the 2010s was loving everywhere The reason I was so confused was that someone had cut down the review into a 1 minute video that wasted the first 20 seconds on an intro and the last 25 seconds on the "joke" of saying the same word over and over.
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Offler posted:The reason I was so confused was that someone had cut down the review into a 1 minute video that wasted the first 20 seconds on an intro and the last 25 seconds on the "joke" of saying the same word over and over. That was the review
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Yeah you did not in fact miss much but i understand the confusion
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Offler posted:It all looks incredibly weird to me. Like, do I understand it right that the reason a 15-year old 1-min video about a forgotten video game was posted now was so people would understand why some don't like the term JRPG? But the review didn't even say "JRPG"? Nor was it a review of anything, just some lame attempts at humor, which I guess is bad if you like the game. Did they review other games normally, but this only got 40 seconds of skits? the real context is that the director of final fantasy 16 mentioned in an interview that he was coming up in the gamedev world at a time when "JRPG was a dirty word," and as a result he's spent a lot of effort on steering final fantasy into directions that don't fit a traditional JRPG, which a good amount of people don't really like. and the discourse around when that was the case dug up examples like this to explain exactly how bad it was and how the perception of the game industry being like that might effect someone's outlook
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Today's Jimquisition has a clip of a gaming panel where a couple of white guys tell a Japanese guy that all JRPGs suck, which is what I thought this conversation was about. It's  as gently caress.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpDyONiXSjM
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Today's Jimquisition has a clip of a gaming panel where a couple of white guys tell a Japanese guy that all JRPGs suck, which is what I thought this conversation was about. It's To be fair, I think they were saying that all contemporary Japanese games, period, suck. 
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Improbable Lobster posted:It's really racist and the weirdly persistent racism around japanese games from the early 2000s to the 2010s was loving everywhere And bipartisan, too. If anything, even a bit worse on the liberal 'progressive' side, things like 'bombed back to traditional values' thrown around casually is some pretty eyebrow-raising stuff. Heh, funny that YoshiP is very uniquely placed to actually have the respect and sympathy to spark what's looking to be a bit of a reckoning, and it's very interesting to see the reactions, who's engaging and who's doubling and tripling down.
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I'm gonna spilt the difference and continue to love jrpgs as I always have, but I will also continue to hate anime.
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That era was such a wasteland. What’s true is that the Japanese game industry was having trouble adjusting to the demands of the HD era. Game development costs became a lot more expensive, and decades long practices weren’t going to cut it anymore. Western development wasn’t in a great place either. This era gave rise to the AAA game, meaning hyper group focus tested games to appeal to the widest audience possible. Games like Bioshock and the Price of Persia reboot didn’t even let you die (Prince of Persia literally held the player’s hand). This is when we got the cliche of the player character taking to themselves to give away the puzzle solution before you even get a chance to assess the situation. I credit From Software and Dark Souls for getting the industry out of those dark times. Yeah, Demons came out first, but it was Dark Souls that got the mainstream attention. Ironically, we’d never get the series if it weren’t for Sony wanting a rival to Oblivion while giving it only a $20 budget and writing the whole project off.
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lol games are only good if they're obtuse, punishing, and nobody but likes it but me 
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Either way, the Jimquisition video convinced me to stop using the term JRPG and just call them turn-based, real-time or action RPGs. She did a good job of pointing out how meaningless the term is as a term, and how inherently racist it is on the face of it even before considering the cultural appropriation aspect. I do laugh/call bullshit on anyone who say that Japanese games are all bad from the mid-00's onward and point to their RPGs while North American developers are constantly shoveling out FPSes on a continuous cycle.
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sick of Applebees posted:lol games are only good if they're obtuse, punishing, and nobody but likes it but me Those games are overwhelmingly popular and mainstream. Comparing things to Dark Soul quickly became a cliche. Over a decade later, the successor Elden Ring would go on to sell 20 million copies and win numerous awards.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Games like Bioshock and the Price of Persia reboot didn’t even let you die (Prince of Persia literally held the player’s hand). Ah yes, examples of bad games 
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Randalor posted:Either way, the Jimquisition video convinced me to stop using the term JRPG and just call them turn-based, real-time or action RPGs. She did a good job of pointing out how meaningless the term is as a term, and how inherently racist it is on the face of it even before considering the cultural appropriation aspect. Genres are usually pretty vague to begin with but video game genres seem uniquely terribly
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They’re not bad games, just good examples of how the AAA game industry’s blandness. They would lead to worse things. Prince of Persia got a forgotten weird semi-reboot/remake of the Sands of Time to coincide with a movie no one remembers. Bioshock gave way to Bioshock Infinite.
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Aramek posted:I'm gonna spilt the difference and continue to love jrpgs as I always have, but I will also continue to hate anime. Most JRPGs are just shonen animes anyway
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Asterite34 posted:Ah yes, examples of bad games 
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Improbable Lobster posted:Genres are usually pretty vague to begin with but video game genres seem uniquely terribly Is Metroid Prime An FPS is always a fun one to ask.
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Detective No. 27 posted:
That definitely seems to have been the turning point. I'm not sure if Souls sparked it but it's surprise success was definitely the first clear sign of a sea change. Detective No. 27 posted:They’re not bad games, just good examples of how the AAA game industry’s blandness. They would lead to worse things. Prince of Persia got a forgotten weird semi-reboot/remake of the Sands of Time to coincide with a movie no one remembers. Bioshock gave way to Bioshock Infinite. I'd argue Bioshock 1 always was and remains a bad game.
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The Bee posted:Is Metroid Prime An FPS is always a fun one to ask. What else would it be? Platformer?
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Henchman of Santa posted:What else would it be? Platformer? "Adventure" but that's also a "so vague as to be useless" descriptor.
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Henchman of Santa posted:What else would it be? Platformer? metroidvania
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The Bee posted:Is Metroid Prime An FPS is always a fun one to ask. Games can be more than one genre, good night! * MORDO Noises * I guess in a meta way, discussions on genre tend to age poorly. Rock and Roll as a genre is (to me) very ill defined but it doesn't stop every musician for claiming their subgenre is true rock.
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Detective No. 27 posted:the Price of Persia reboot didn’t even let you die (Prince of Persia literally held the player’s hand). This is a bit of a misconception -- yes, for story purposes, the player character's heart never actually technically stopped, instead your companion warped you back to the last checkpoint. But in gameplay terms it was almost identical to just dying and respawning at a checkpoint like any other game.
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Aramek posted:I'm gonna spilt the difference and continue to love jrpgs as I always have, but I will also continue to hate anime. Yakuzas are only good JRPG:s and that's because they aren't anime. They're Jdrama.
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The Bee posted:Is Metroid Prime An FPS is always a fun one to ask. It's a first person game where you shoot, where's the confusion? It's also a fighting game.
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the point about Bioshock not letting you die seems kinda weird because the vita-chamber (or whatever it was called) concept was lifted directly from System Shock. Granted, in those games you usually had to do some exploring and, very likely, die for real a couple times before you figured out where and how to activate the respawn location for that deck but still, that was from 1994. That was a new idea for non-RPG games (unless it was also something that appeared in an Ultima game) since the majority of action games at the time either gave you lives or restarted the level, but stripped you back to your starting equipment
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The wording/declaration is definitely inflammatory, but the blowback seems a bit weird? If I am an indie movie maker and I say "I think American cinema sucks", it's easy enough to understand that I probably meant "Hollywood cookie cutter blockbusters" when I said "American". And if I am an Hollywood Blockbuster director and I say "French movies suck" I'm probably not talking about Ronin or something like that. Again, the wording is really aggressive, the generalisation wide enough to be offensive and I guess you could argue that he is "punching down"; but at the same time an indie dev saying that japanese megacorp games are bad hardly seems to be punching down, even if he is white. Especially cause that seemed to be a widespread sentiment among (at least certain) tripleA Japanese game corps at the time. Edit: finally, it feels super weird considering SA stance on Anime in general although I guess people could be talking specifically about western made anime when they say "anime is bad" as a blanket statement. That Italian Guy has a new favorite as of 18:39 on Mar 7, 2023 |
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Having a limited number of "lives" was a relic of arcade game monetization and I'm glad it's not really a thing anymore, outside of deliberately retro stuff.
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That Italian Guy posted:The wording/declaration is definitely inflammatory, but the blowback seems a bit weird? If I am an indie movie maker and I say "I think American cinema sucks", it's easy enough to understand that I probably meant "Hollywood cookie cutter blockbusters" when I said "American". And if I am an Hollywood Blockbuster director and I say "French movies suck" I'm probably not talking about Ronin or something like that. It was incredibly racist and any points that applied to japanese studios equally applied to western studios of the same size
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That Italian Guy posted:The wording/declaration is definitely inflammatory, but the blowback seems a bit weird? If I am an indie movie maker and I say "I think American cinema sucks", it's easy enough to understand that I probably meant "Hollywood cookie cutter blockbusters" when I said "American". And if I am an Hollywood Blockbuster director and I say "French movies suck" I'm probably not talking about Ronin or something like that. I don’t get your point, you seem to agree it’s offensive but it actually isn’t???
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