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Vermain posted:fallout 4 sold an absolutely tremendous amount, too, despite not being substantially that different from what outer worlds did I honestly like Fallout 4 more than Outer Worlds. The former still has pretty good exploration and its politics being incoherent/barely there is better than Outer Worlds' insistence that anyone who proposes radical solutions to capitalism's overreaches is a crazy person.
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Larian genuinely uses Early Access as it perhaps was originally intended (to experiment with and overhaul huge aspects of the game while it is still in an incredibly rough state) rather than as a glorified beta or to drum up sales before it becomes vaporware, as many other Steam projects do. Their last two games prior to Baldur's Gate 3 utilized EA effectively and the final releases were stronger for it. I'm hype for BG3 but that's honestly because it's first and foremost a Larian game rather than a BG game.
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Whirling posted:Scratching my head at the Outer Worlds graphical update that just came out. That game was so weirdly successful despite being one of Obsidian's worst games. I guess it works, which puts it above unmodded KOTOR 2, but I played it for 1 buck off Game Pass and still felt kind of ripped off. It was a very bad game, but the ways in which were bad weren't obvious until you were deep into playing it. It had good marketing and, if you're being cynical, seemed deliberately designed to be as appealing to game reviewers as possible, so its success isn't that weird There's a phenomenon that happens when a game's sales greatly outperforms its quality: its sequel sells substantially less, even if it's a huge improvement. Ironically Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity is one of the more well known examples of this Could be that they're hoping to avoid that outcome by giving the game the Larian / CDPR / Hello Games treatment of unexpected long term support, which of course brings a lot of goodwill
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Mar 8, 2023 23:14
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pentiment was a good game, people should play that instead
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Mar 8, 2023 23:21
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The update will probably do well, people seem really starved for the Bethesda style open world rpg given Bethesdas inability to actually put anything out recently.
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Mar 8, 2023 23:24
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ALso TOW wasn't very good but it wasn't like trash or something it was just really mediocre and uninspired, which isn't really a problem people have with Bethesda games.
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i'm morbidly curious about starfield. maybe not enough to play it if i have anything more interesting i'm going through when it comes out but, morbidly curious. i do not have confidence bethesda will be able to break the infinite planet space game problem that would obviously lead to the quest design and writing being even worse than it has been in each game past oblivion
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I'll play Starfield because it's an rpg in space Also on gamepass so
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It has a weird dialogue system so hopefully its the oblivion type of bad instead of the skyrim type of bad.
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Sakurazuka posted:I'll play Starfield because it's an rpg in space RPG in space makes my lizard brain go brrrrrrrrrrr so I have been excited for this for quite sometime.
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Gaius Marius posted:The update will probably do well, people seem really starved for the Bethesda style open world rpg given Bethesdas inability to actually put anything out recently. September 6th for Starfield apparently, since nobody seemed to mention or link it. How long until it's patched and modded to the point where it'll get at least closer to its real potential, who can say. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raWbElTCea8
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MechaX posted:I gotta give Octopath 2 one thing so far; they are actually mostly succeeding in making me give a drat about these characters after the first chapter than Octopath 1 ever did For me, it's the little touches like seeing an NPC blocking a door, noting how he is far too strong to get beaten up by your current character special mechanic, and then later you meet another character who can just drug him to sleep so you can now go back and sneak past him without a fight.  They even improved hunting. Hunting! Ochette can turn enemies not only into her personal pokemon, but also turn them into a wide variety of food item giving buffs. But those items are also worth quite a lot of money, and after you realize that Ochette is suddenly the richest girl in the world. (At least for early-to-midgame, gauging the numbers. But if stronger monsters also make stronger items, as I suspect, maybe Ochette will be able to stay the party's moneymaker to the end.) Nothing so far beats Castti just running around drugging people, though. That's just the best
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Outer worlds was way worse than fallout 4  Fallout isn't sterile of soul
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Starfield is gonna be good. After all, more and more people have taken to calling its director God Howard and they might be onto something...
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I suspect Starfield will be tolerable on release and get steadily better over time as a) Bethesda fixes some bugs, b) fan patches fix way more bugs, and c) mods are released. You know, the typical Bethesda model.
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I'm going to play Starfield and I even plan to enjoy it.
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exquisite tea posted:Larian genuinely uses Early Access as it perhaps was originally intended (to experiment with and overhaul huge aspects of the game while it is still in an incredibly rough state) rather than as a glorified beta or to drum up sales before it becomes vaporware, as many other Steam projects do. Their last two games prior to Baldur's Gate 3 utilized EA effectively and the final releases were stronger for it. Regardless, it always cracks me up how mad people got in the Original Sin early access periods when their feedback didn't translate into immediate changes to the game. There are so many CRPG amateur designers out there lol
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Rascyc posted:I mostly agree but I still think that second half of Original Sin 2 was pretty bad and it makes me wonder if EA impacted that at all. I think Hades is the only big "this is the way" EA player in my mind. That final act would have been different if the early access period covered the whole game, since they definitely listened to player feedback when they made some massive changes to it with that enhanced edition update like a year or so after the 1.0 release. Makes me wonder if that's gonna happen with BG3 as well or if it's gonna be different since they're working with a licensed property.
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They they an enhanced remake for Divinity 2, DOS1 and DOS2 so I'll be surprised if there isn't something along those lines for BG3, whether it's officially a big new launch or just a megapatch that comes with DLC or something.
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DOS2 only poo poo its pants in the Arx chapter at the 90 percent mark. I dont know whose idea it was to have so many ambushes and bottlenecks.
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Baldur's Gate 3 has JK Simmons cast as what looks like the main antagonist which is a good sign for being able to not get overshadowed by the memory of Irenicus.GreenBuckanneer posted:Outer worlds was way worse than fallout 4 Yeah I genuinely enjoyed Fallout 4 in spite of it's problems (and have had a lot of fun modding it) but Outer Worlds was miserable. The only reason I'm happy it's getting a sequel is presumably the people responsible for why OW1 sucked so much will be working on 2, and not on Avowed and whatever JSawyer and the Grounded teams are doing now.
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Libluini posted:For me, it's the little touches like seeing an NPC blocking a door, noting how he is far too strong to get beaten up by your current character special mechanic, and then later you meet another character who can just drug him to sleep so you can now go back and sneak past him without a fight. That's sort of a general pattern with the Path abilities. For example, if it's nearly impossible to pickpocket or mug someone, it's probably trivial if you just ask nicely.
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I question if Castti is liable to lose her medical licence due to her tendency of drugging people at night.
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Whirling posted:I honestly like Fallout 4 more than Outer Worlds. The former still has pretty good exploration and its politics being incoherent/barely there is better than Outer Worlds' insistence that anyone who proposes radical solutions to capitalism's overreaches is a crazy person. Yeah, I concur completely. Fallout 4 isn't anything approaching an amazing game and has a lot of flaws, but it's pretty fun to walk around in and take in the sights, and it's absolutely huge so there's lots to see and do. The spectrum of moral choices in the game is broad and varied and it generally treats every faction you can join as a valid choice with its own positives and negatives instead of going BZZZT YOU PICKED WRONG, IDIOT, even if some of them are morally questionable or reprehensible. Outer Worlds is comparatively loving boring. You have combat which is just as bland and companions who are just as stupid in combat as Bethesda FPS, except the exploration is also boring as poo poo and the areas are comparatively tiny and forgettable. It also really, really insists that being an incredibly cowardly centrist is actually the only moral and correct choice because generally picking "capitalist filth" or "anticapitalist rebel" choices have very poor outcomes, as exemplified by the first town.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:my best "am i reading queer poo poo into movies where it doesnt belong" moment was watching breaking away, a film where a high school kid starts talking different, dressing different, in a way that is completely against the norms of a relatively conservative town in Indiana to the consternation of his family, and also his dad walks in on him shaving his legs. i haven't seen breaking away in forever but you probably are not reading the film wrong. if a movie about IU didn't include queer subtext it wouldn't really be about IU
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Kanos posted:Yeah, I concur completely. Fallout 4 isn't anything approaching an amazing game and has a lot of flaws, but it's pretty fun to walk around in and take in the sights, and it's absolutely huge so there's lots to see and do. The spectrum of moral choices in the game is broad and varied and it generally treats every faction you can join as a valid choice with its own positives and negatives instead of going BZZZT YOU PICKED WRONG, IDIOT, even if some of them are morally questionable or reprehensible. The resolution to the first town seriously made me hate the game lol. I don't even have an issue with siding with the rebels not 'working out perfectly' or whatever, but the fact that the old lady turns into a moustache twirling villain the moment the dust clears and brags about killing everyone who was still in the town, and your only response is "I feel I made a mistake trusting you" is just. Like unacceptable lol. Zero way to threaten her to upholding her end of the bargain or anything. It's pure smug "Actually the good thing was bad, don't you feel stupid now?" quest design.
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The writing of Outer Worlds was basically a dilbert strip where the last panel was swapped out with the punchline from either a dunesbury or mallard fillmore strip at random.
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My overall impression of the game was it going "look at me, ain't I funny, am I not hilarious, shouldn't you be laughing?" all the time and just not connecting.
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https://twitter.com/rdbaaa/status/1633931927974711296 Finally, Boku is perfect
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Ibram Gaunt posted:The resolution to the first town seriously made me hate the game lol. I don't even have an issue with siding with the rebels not 'working out perfectly' or whatever, but the fact that the old lady turns into a moustache twirling villain the moment the dust clears and brags about killing everyone who was still in the town, and your only response is "I feel I made a mistake trusting you" is just. Like unacceptable lol. Zero way to threaten her to upholding her end of the bargain or anything. It's pure smug "Actually the good thing was bad, don't you feel stupid now?" quest design. And they pretty much just pull that same trick on every single questline where there's a choice. Just incredibly obvious that, no, this was not written by the team who wrote the games Obsidian fans loved.
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Every part of Outer Worlds seemed as if they were trying to reverse engineer games people liked as opposed to trying to design one with their own vision. This resulted in them robotically adding things to the game without any knowledge as to how or why they worked There were two side quests that broke me, mostly because I happened to play them back to back. The first was the quest on Monarch with the cannibal family, the second was the retirement lottery quest on the last planet. Both are "twist" quests, and even if you've never played the game you can probably guess how they go based on that sentence Those kind of quests only work when they're genuinely surprising, or if you allow the players to be smart or clever with them. Otherwise it can be really obnoxious to see through the twist and be forced to go through the linear steps anyway and yet they chose the most obvious and most cliched versions of these quests, and did nothing to obfuscate the twist. the exact moment you enter a building - the only one in the whole area with a load screen - and you see a creepy family inviting you to dinner, you 100% realize what the deal is. and similarly, as soon as you overhear the first conversation about the retirement thing you can piece it together immediately. this could be your first video game you've ever played and you still might have guessed correctly thanks to osmosis of the tropes and cliches of the genre just an absolute lack of mastery of everybody designing the game. it was like they were following a youtube tutorial
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Would honestly prefer Bethesda style "Would you like to do the right thing or would you like to be Hitler?" choice over these twist choices Outer Worlds is doing. They sound real bad.
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Endorph posted:i like the cannibal sidequest in mask of the betrayer because the protagonist has to eat spirits to survive so its sort of a mirroring thing where 'oh is eating flesh worse than eating people's souls,' like theres a purpose to it being there obsidian's generally very good at keeping its sidequests thematically connected, like even the white glove society in F:NV is still dealing with one of the game's primary themes (finding inspiration from the past without being swallowed up by it) in its own way it's what's so offputting about outer worlds, i think: if you've played F:NV or MotB, you've seen the heights that CRPG writing is capable of reaching, so going into it expecting that quality and getting middling bethesda-tier material threw a lot of people for a loop
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The Outer World sequel needs flavour, as Deadfire before it and Pentiment after it had far more character.
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They should cancel Outer Worlds 2 and give the funding to the Pentiment team to make 2 more short little historical simulator games set in other places/times.
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Why are they making Outer Worlds 2 in the first place? The big question.
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Maybe Pentiment could have a one-act DLC where you try to solve a murder in some remote corner in Bavaria. The mystery of the main game was more window dressing to explore the historical setting, so a Detective/RPG/VN hybrid wouldn't be that hard to make.
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