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Is there any (legal) way to watch the extended cuts of some of the TNG episodes (like Measure of a Man) besides getting a hold of the Blu-rays? It sucks that I'm paying Paramount $100 a year, and can stream all the Star Trek I want, but can't get the extended cut of Measure of a Man.
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FISHMANPET posted:Is there any (legal) way to watch the extended cuts of some of the TNG episodes (like Measure of a Man) besides getting a hold of the Blu-rays? It sucks that I'm paying Paramount $100 a year, and can stream all the Star Trek I want, but can't get the extended cut of Measure of a Man. I didn't even know there was a extended cut.
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Mar 14, 2023 02:11
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FISHMANPET posted:Is there any (legal) way to watch the extended cuts of some of the TNG episodes (like Measure of a Man) besides getting a hold of the Blu-rays? It sucks that I'm paying Paramount $100 a year, and can stream all the Star Trek I want, but can't get the extended cut of Measure of a Man. There are a few VHS workprints of other episodes floating around, but as far as I know only Measure of a Man got an official extended release.
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Mar 14, 2023 03:09
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What is even in the extended version?
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Mar 14, 2023 03:14
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CainFortea posted:What is even in the extended version? https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Measure_Of_A_Man_(episode)#Extended_edition
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Mar 14, 2023 03:21
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Bruce Maddox crashes Data's goodbye party and Worf almost kills him
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Mar 14, 2023 03:22
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CPColin posted:Bruce Maddox crashes Data's goodbye party and Worf almost kills him "If you would have mis-measured this man, I would kill you where you stand."
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Mar 14, 2023 03:42
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CainFortea posted:What is even in the extended version? the "too hot for tv" tape measure scene
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Mar 14, 2023 03:47
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CPColin posted:Bruce Maddox crashes Data's goodbye party and Worf almost kills him One of the few times worf doesn't get his rear end kicked.
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Mar 14, 2023 03:56
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E: dumb post
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Mar 14, 2023 04:03
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I was listening to an episode of WeHateMovies talking about TMP today and at one point they mentioned and played a clip of Shatner being interviewed about a time on TJ Hooker where he claims Nimoy really wanted to get into directing but had no idea what he was doing, so Shatner supposedly had to babysit him and teach him everything. Which, sure, standard Shatner bending of the truth to his own benefit I’m sure, but then Shatner goes on to say something to the effect of “and now he owes me basically his entire directing career but he’ll never admit to it” which is such an astoundingly lovely thing to say, even for Shatner, that I’m kinda flabbergasted he just blurted it out in an interview. I can’t find the actual clip they played but based on Shat’s voice it sounded like sometime in the 80s or 90s. Anyone heard this before?
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Mar 14, 2023 04:24
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Was he joking? I know he's a huge rear end in a top hat, but god drat.
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Mar 14, 2023 04:42
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bull3964 posted:"If you would have mis-measured this man, I would kill you where you stand." Haha
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Mar 14, 2023 04:48
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LividLiquid posted:Was he joking? I mean it’s tough to be sure since it’s a clip played during a podcast, but he sounded genuinely angry in it. I wouldn’t put it past him.
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Mar 14, 2023 06:50
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The Starfleet Academy show will be another animated show, but it's just O'Brien running the engineering extension program for non-engineering cadets like he's Ms. Frizzle. Jump on the Magic Shuttlecraft and let's all learn mohr's circle! Flashbacks will be him as the most put-upon engineering lab professor cleaning up after every cadet's super science experiment. One episode will involve him being modeled for the emergency engineering hologram. But instead of just fading into existence, he pop's out of the nearest jeffries tube and goes "What did you break?". Another episode he will be temporarily replaced by Smiley. It will never be addressed.
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Mar 14, 2023 08:27
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I was listening to an episode of WeHateMovies talking about TMP today and at one point they mentioned and played a clip of Shatner being interviewed about a time on TJ Hooker where he claims Nimoy really wanted to get into directing but had no idea what he was doing, so Shatner supposedly had to babysit him and teach him everything. I know the clip you're talking about - it's part of the blu ray extras for the TOS film boxset. If I remember rightly, the interview that it is culled from has Shatner saying a lot of similarly blunt things with a very deadpan delivery, which to me came over like Shatner trying to be funny and it completely falling flat because he was going way too harsh. But he also strikes me as the kind of guy who just says what he actually thinks, but frames it as a joke, so who knows. That set also has an interview with Shatner about The Undiscovered Country where he tells a long story about arguing with Meyer about the casual racism against Klingons in the film, how he didn't want to perform it, and how he'll never forgive Meyer for cutting the attempts in his performance to soften Kirk's anger. He then immediately brings up how Nichelle Nichols had the same concerns, but concludes that she just should have been a professional and said her lines as written. I remember being astounded at the lack of awareness he had about judging Nichols for doing what he did (especially when her concerns were a lot more valid).
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Mar 14, 2023 12:54
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Remember that one episode where Data pushes Beverly off a bride or something on the holodeck and then the next scene he answers a doorbell and it's beverly on a unicycle with her head out of frame and she punches him?
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Mar 14, 2023 14:13
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I was listening to an episode of WeHateMovies talking about TMP today and at one point they mentioned and played a clip of Shatner being interviewed about a time on TJ Hooker where he claims Nimoy really wanted to get into directing but had no idea what he was doing, so Shatner supposedly had to babysit him and teach him everything. Pretty Trumpian. "He owes it all to me. He came up to me with tears in his eyes saying, 'Sir? Sir! I can't direct; I need your help!" In all seriousness, though: I go back and forth between thinking Shatner is an OK guy who has mellowed with age and thinking he's still a massive dick that has learned to disguise his narcissism with self-deprecating humor.
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Mar 14, 2023 14:58
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Prurient Squid posted:Data pushes Beverly off a bride Is that a scene from the TNG porno?
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Mar 14, 2023 15:59
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Der Kyhe posted:JMS did the series in the exact order you should watch it, he actually wrote most if not all of it before the first episode was filming The bolded part isn't true at all. He had a general outline for the series, yes. But that outline changed significantly during the series. In fact, the original plan for the 5-year series itself covered only up to what would become season 3. A LOT of stuff was changed as the series progressed, almost always for the better. But the idea that the whole thing was entirely planned out in advance or even written out completely in advance - that's nonsense.
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Mar 14, 2023 16:29
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There was enough planning that he was able to set things up that don't end up paying off for a couple of seasons. It's also why it's so difficult to "skip" any episodes like you can safely do watching Star Trek. Even the worst B5 episodes (TKO I'm looking at you) drop some kind of thread that will be picked up later on. Even the "mystery of the week" episodes are contributing to the overall lore of the show, and most things will end up paying off later. It also makes it infinitely rewatchable, I just rewatched it a few months ago, and there were hints and threads I picked up that I hadn't noticed before (or had forgotten, so they were new to me).
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Yeah, B5 is a show that rewards a rewatch since the threads were panned from the start. Most other shows, if they have callbacks, work backwards into them "We did a thing back in Season 1, maybe we can expand upon it here to reference it." Nope, in B5 a small thing early was always intended to be an early sign of something larger later. The best and most famous example is Londo's dream on how he dies that's revealed in the first episode. How that evolves over the show is great with him knowing the other person was G'Kar. Then, finally, when it happens we know the circumstances are not what Londo was expecting all these years. This still gives me chills from season 2. Elric: As I look at you, Ambassador Mollari, I see a great hand reaching out of the stars. The hand is your hand. And I hear sounds, the sounds of billions of people calling your name. Londo: My followers? Elric: Your victims. Londo is such a tragic character. His actions are irredeemable, he had many signs that he should turn away as things start snowballing, but at the same time you get the sense that it's impossible for him to do so. His fate has been sealed long ago and he has a role to play and the best he can do is small actions to enable those around him to mitigate his damage. bull3964 fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Mar 14, 2023 |
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Yeah, it's something of a magic trick what JMS was able to do with that show. But that's the thing about magic tricks - ask any performing magician. Any trick they do on stage has at least a couple of "outs" if things go wrong or the plan doesn't work out. That's not because they're bad. The opposite, in fact - it's that preparation that makes them successful. There were lots of story hooks in B5, and more than one way to go with nearly all of them. And more than a few did indeed ultimately swerve into different directions than the original plan would have dictated. There are inevitable production reasons why that happens, but also just the things that are natural in any dramatic production - you and your crew get better at certain things, you recognize your actors' strengths and play towards those, you see what relationships pop on screen and emphasize those, etc.
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He claims that he actually had all the outs and swerves planned: all the major characters had your 'outs' - what he calls 'trapdoors' - but he says he'd already plotted out how the story would proceed without them and adapt to the change as well. He had to trigger two in the end Sinclair and Talia. I don't believe that Ivanova leaving and being replaced with Lockley used his pre-planned trapdoor setup, though, that was in the middle of too much re-arranging plots chaos and he had to do it on the fly.
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So he had planned contingencies for his first lead to leave at the end of season one and be replaced by tron
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zoux posted:So he had planned contingencies for his first lead to leave at the end of season one and be replaced by tron I don't think he had the replacement actor picked out necessarily but he had the mechanism ready if he needed it.
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They both had JMS initials
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MikeJF posted:Rama sequels!  Timby posted:I wouldn't call Gentry Lee a hack--the man has done incredible work in the field of spaceflight (particularly Mars missions) and is a senior director at JPL--but, yes, he wrote the Rama sequels and Clarke just put his name on them to boost sales. I'm going to say it's entirely possible for someone to be brilliant in their field and also a hack fiction writer, because those Rama sequels are heinously bad. Like, okay, Rama II is... passable, I guess, maybe. It's been a while since I read it so I'm not remembering anything that stood out as offensive. The third and fourth books are just inexcusably bad though; there's some clunky racist stereotypes brought into play, and oh yeah Lee contrives a scenario wherein a 14 year old girl is married off to a 60+ year old man, with the explicit purpose of them being a breeding pair for the aliens.
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I agree with this article on the occasion of the thirtieth anniversary of Move Along Homequote:Compared to the ninth episode of TNG, where barely any of the lasting characteristics of our ensemble were present, DS9 managed to capture what was so striking about its crew from the outset. The writers already had a strong sense of how each character would react to this silly situation, and in executing those reactions they helped DS9 build a strong, well-developed foundation. That's what I meant about being struck by how confident the show was from day one, it understood its cast and characters (Julian less so) and was trying to do something different from TNG, whereas TNG spent a lot of its first season trying to emulate TOS. Some early TNG is unwatchable, but even in the lesser DS9 episodes, there's some subplot or character interaction that makes it worth watching. I was kind of dreading slogging through seasons 1 and 2 of DS9 and that's what kept me putting it off, but it is way, way better than I recall. I'm about through season 3 and I've noticed a pattern in the episodes I've enjoyed less: Meridian, Melora, Second Sight - these are all romance-of-the-week episodes. Do yall think these are bad episodes as well or am I just biased against Trek love stories?
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Mar 14, 2023 19:59
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I like Second Sight and Melora is okay is a very special episode kind of way, Meridian is just a bad script though
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Mar 14, 2023 20:05
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CainFortea posted:What is even in the extended version? Riker suggest that the correct way to measure a man is from the center of the rear end in a top hat to just past the tip.
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Mar 14, 2023 20:09
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No Dignity posted:Melora is okay is a very special episode kind of way, I get what they're going for but it doesn't really map onto modern disability issues because I think most people would be all over the chance to cure their disorder if such a cure existed. Also I don't buy that the stock "disabled with a chip on their shoulder" type character would exist in the 24th century, it all seemed very 1990s. Also Julian has never experienced zero g in his whole life? Did he klep out of all that stuff at the academy? Second Sight is just boring and low stakes, though every time some one said Finna I thought "finna suck that dick" and amused myself unintentionally
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Melora is one of those terminally online twitter scolds who go 'some people LIKE not having legs actually'
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Mar 14, 2023 20:23
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No Dignity posted:Melora is one of those terminally online twitter scolds who go 'some people LIKE not having legs actually' Yeah, I get that a lot of people with disabilities internalize that as part of an identity because that's how it's got to be to come to terms with it, but if you cured someone's cerebral palsy or cystic fibrosis I don't think they'd pine for the time before. 21st c. disabled people don't have a magical fun float room where they can fly at the end of the day. Also, for the first half of the show I was like "is the message of this episode that some people with disabilities are just pieces of poo poo?" Dunno what Julian saw in her. e: also also speaking of 1990s things, lotta casual sexual harassments going on around the old station zoux fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Mar 14, 2023 |
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Melora wasn’t disabled, she was from a low G planet, wasn’t she? A farce of a metaphor. Like saying a Bolian is disabled because O’Brien fears the power of a Bolian dump
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Nessus posted:Melora wasn’t disabled, she was from a low G planet, wasn’t she? A farce of a metaphor. Like saying a Bolian is disabled because O’Brien fears the power of a Bolian dump It doesn't work at all. Kind of a "Kitty Pride says the n-word" situation. I get what you're going for but made up classes of people can't just stand in for irl marginalized populations.
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She had to use a wheelchair because something something Cardassian gravity plating something something. They installed ramps for her because I guess the issue had never come up before on a station that uses antigravity cargo lifts every single day. Also they removed the ramps the next episode.
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8one6 posted:She had to use a wheelchair because something something Cardassian gravity plating something something.
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Nessus posted:Melora wasn’t disabled, she was from a low G planet, wasn’t she? A farce of a metaphor. Like saying a Bolian is disabled because O’Brien fears the power of a Bolian dump Many aren't disabled until the world disables them.
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zoux posted:e: also also speaking of 1990s things, lotta casual sexual harassments going on around the old station 
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