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qirex posted:I just rewatched “Cheek to Cheek: a Stripper’s Story” and I love that the whole episode was probably just one of the writers came up with the phrase “chivalric cabaret” and went from there. Could have just went to banker school!
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qirex posted:I just rewatched “Cheek to Cheek: a Stripper’s Story” and I love that the whole episode was probably just one of the writers came up with the phrase “chivalric cabaret” and went from there. My favorite thing about the episode is Jeff getting more in shape as the episode goes along.
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Mar 15, 2023 04:34
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If his character's whole point wasn't that he has a really stupid dream and thus it has to be the worst possible version of something extant, he'd probably be into cabaret.
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Up through mid-Season 2 in my rewatch. It has been fun to revisit the era where the production team is clearly struggling with how to handle Roger episode-to-episode; the rapid realization that having a main character who can't leave the home limits both his own storylines and his ability to get involved with other characters' (and how he's even a liability in that one location, when characters from outside the core cast show up.) I was surprised at how quickly the show starts dabbling in "Maybe Roger can wear a disguise for a little while before people get suspicious? If we call out that they think he's old, or sick?" before moving on to full-on "Roger just puts on a shirt and a hat and it's fine, nobody notices, who cares." The idea of him being multiple characters at all times still feels a ways off though. On the negative side, way more rape jokes than I remember. They really jump out at me because they're all of that crappy mid-00's "edgy" comedy sensibility, where the shock of a character casually saying "rape" essentially stands in for an actual gag. qirex posted:I just rewatched “Cheek to Cheek: a Stripper’s Story” and I love that the whole episode was probably just one of the writers came up with the phrase “chivalric cabaret” and went from there. Along those lines, best thing that I had completely forgotten about was Francine and Roger's B-story in "Camp Refoogee", where they both adopt characters and play act as an intellectual married couple for months before culminating in a full-on Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? parody. Really feels like a write-what-you-know thing, where the impetus was "There's this guy on my improv team who seems to get off on sabotaging other performers' characters at every opportunity."
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JethroMcB posted:Along those lines, best thing that I had completely forgotten about was Francine and Roger's B-story in "Camp Refoogee", where they both adopt characters and play act as an intellectual married couple for months before culminating in a full-on Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? parody. Really feels like a write-what-you-know thing, where the impetus was "There's this guy on my improv team who seems to get off on sabotaging other performers' characters at every opportunity." *wipes glasses* ... ...... ......... ...tell them how you killed our baby. 
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Mar 15, 2023 18:18
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YeahTubaMike posted:*wipes glasses* That punchline rushed back to me when the scene started; the long, purposeful wind-up is so good. "Do you think our baby...couldn't have drowned in the pool?" "Oh, no; you left the gate open, she sank like a stone. You're going to have to live with that for the rest of your life."
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Mar 15, 2023 18:48
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What was it dear....ECONOMICS
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Watched a couple of early Debbie episodes and oof, they are not great. The episode that introduces her ostensibly is body positive, except it still makes a bunch of cheap fat jokes at her expense.
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Mar 21, 2023 02:49
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You can take the Joy Division bit from my cold, dead hands 
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New episode in a week, I'm hyping myself up for it now so I can be emotionally prepared.
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muscles like this! posted:Watched a couple of early Debbie episodes and oof, they are not great. The episode that introduces her ostensibly is body positive, except it still makes a bunch of cheap fat jokes at her expense. I liked Stan's attitude towards her. Making all those fat jokes until he found out she was into guns, then stopped. She really didn't have much else going on, I guess that's why the writers dropped her.
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muscles like this! posted:Watched a couple of early Debbie episodes and oof, they are not great. The episode that introduces her ostensibly is body positive, except it still makes a bunch of cheap fat jokes at her expense. Yeah, that's another thing I had forgotten - the show is merciless with the fat jokes early on; it's a pretty big part of Stan's character for a while. Debbie, Barry, strawmen and random background characters, they're all constant punching bags. That first Debbie episode is especially rough. I don't know if the fat jokes start to wane after that one or if it was just so loaded that everything afterward feels like they're laying off that topic.
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The show uses Stan's judgmental behavior about Debbie to plumb his own body image issues pretty effectively I think.
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It would be one thing if it was just Stan being a jerk but they also wrote in fat jokes where Debbie is the one doing "fat" things.
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muscles like this! posted:Watched a couple of early Debbie episodes and oof, they are not great. The episode that introduces her ostensibly is body positive, except it still makes a bunch of cheap fat jokes at her expense. There's a reason why even though I'm a strong advocate for Steve getting a girlfriend again(and this time making it permanent) I've always suggested it be someone besides Debbie, she's just not a very good character
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Mar 21, 2023 07:58
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It was best they moved on from her. Plus Steve has Snot.
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Mar 21, 2023 08:29
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i like debbie but it's true snot is a better love interest for him
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Mar 21, 2023 08:35
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Neeksy posted:It was best they moved on from her. See I have no real issue with Steve ending up with a boyfriend instead but Snot would be terrible for that, he's a lovely friend and he'd be an even shittier boyfriend
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Mar 21, 2023 08:35
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yeah, they're both terrible and deserve each other
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Mx. posted:yeah, they're both terrible and deserve each other Nah Steve is a fine lad and deserves much better friends than the lovely one dimensional ones he's stuck with
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Mar 21, 2023 09:36
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Have their good boy oath kisses meant nothing?
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qirex posted:I just rewatched “Cheek to Cheek: a Stripper’s Story” and I love that the whole episode was probably just one of the writers came up with the phrase “chivalric cabaret” and went from there. The writer probably heard it on their first day of banker school
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I saw the episode where their moms were fighting for the first time the other day. Pretty funky. Also reminds me on how things just don't end up cleanly solved by the end of the episode as much in the modern seasons.
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Mar 21, 2023 14:08
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Snot's Mom's Kid lmao Huh, you're right. A lot of them are "bad" endings too, like the Weed Facrory episode ends with Jeff and Stan likely to die from the glass elevator, or the firefighter episode where Stan's severely burned.
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Mar 21, 2023 14:26
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Alxprit posted:I saw the episode where their moms were fighting for the first time the other day. Pretty funky. Also reminds me on how things just don't end up cleanly solved by the end of the episode as much in the modern seasons. I love that episode just for the stupid gag "Yeah, Sub Hub was running that promotion in the 80s when they were just sending people to hell."
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drrockso20 posted:There's a reason why even though I'm a strong advocate for Steve getting a girlfriend again(and this time making it permanent) I've always suggested it be someone besides Debbie, she's just not a very good character Biggest surprise after "Oh yeah, Debbie was a character for a while" - seeing a pre-Party Down/Cloverfield Lizzy Caplan's name in the credits voicing Debbie. Giving Steve a girlfriend opens up a lot of new storylines and gags, but also cuts off the ability to use his desperation for a relationship for those same things (And having Steve be a hopelessly geeky loser is clearly the writers' preferred mode for the character.) Still, I'm surprised they haven't tried to establish a happy medium by giving him an on-again off-again relationship; a recurring character that they could use when it makes sense but quickly write out/around when having a steady girlfriend would butt up against the plot.
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Sure I could buy having a Jimmy Jr.-style character for Steve. They certainly aren't afraid of making new long-term side characters.
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JethroMcB posted:I'm surprised they haven't tried to establish a happy medium by giving him an on-again off-again relationship; a recurring character that they could use when it makes sense but quickly write out/around when having a steady girlfriend would butt up against the plot. I'm really hoping they do that with the girl he met went they went on that field trip to Philadelphia. I also want the girl Snot met to make a return appearence even more.
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That's the beauty of Steve. He's such a dork that you can have him lose his virginity to the head cheerleader and still be a dweeb in later episodes.* *Please don't do this there is way too much of that kind of thing in modern TV shows to the point it's very creepy.
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I started a fresh rewatch and I'm about halfway done with the first season. It was surprising how over animated the early episodes were, they seriously looked like CD-i Zelda game cutscenes. They also clearly don't have the characterizations down yet, and sadly the Disney+ still has the "all of Toshi's dialogue is subtitled as [Speaking Asian language]" which is just ... gently caress.
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Klaus as a bodega owner is the most on point this show's ever been about anything
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JethroMcB posted:Biggest surprise after "Oh yeah, Debbie was a character for a while" - seeing a pre-Party Down/Cloverfield Lizzy Caplan's name in the credits voicing Debbie. The reason I'm in favor of just sticking him in a permanent relationship(that isn't his toxic bromance with Snot) is because they've completely emptied the well on plots they could do with him being single, indeed an old post of mine from back in 2016 was about pointing out even back then that the show had done "Steve tries to get a girlfriend/get laid" plots way too much(like the show had done it about 40 times at that point, by now that number has probably doubled or even tripled) Plus I think it's about time for something new to shake up the show's status quo(been a while since the last one of those we had, whichever came second of Rogu getting introduced or Hayley getting the SubHub job) and Steve finally getting a steady girlfriend(or boyfriend if it isn't Snot) would be a good one for that(indeed the only other thing I can think of that they could pull out at this point would be breaking the glass on "Hayley & Jeff finally have a kid" and that seems more like the kind of thing they'd save for a "final" season for the show)
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Steve could have been with Milk Girl but he totally blew his chance!
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who gives a poo poo about steve. Klaus is the rising star on the roster
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Klaus has made it clear he is an alpha that can't be tied down to one chick so he can't be the next one to be in a relationship. I did like the little Shoshana plot line they did for him though, especially since it gave us the Klaus's Boyz episode.
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Milo and POTUS posted:who gives a poo poo about steve. Klaus is the rising star on the roster I do enjoy that they're begrudgingly allowing him personal space and his poster. He really is moving up.
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wrt Steve and romance, I'd rather him have some female friend characters that aren't romantic options before setting him into a new relationship or giving him a new consistent love interest. I liked Ali from the AP Philadelphia episode as a potential as a friend character because she had a lot more going for her than most of the other one-episode girlfriends have been. Generally I find the Steve plots where he's trying to lose his virginity are when he's the least pleasant. Him being a sensitive good boy with existential questions is one of my favorite facets to his personality and that has shone through more often in the more recent seasons to good effect.
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Milo and POTUS posted:who gives a poo poo about steve. Klaus is the rising star on the roster Who? Oh, you mean Ace McNasty.
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They won't ever have Steve be in a relationship. They have to follow the unwritten law that the loser guy must forever remain the loser guy. Plus they have Haley/Jeff and Stan/Francine for when they want to do some kind of relationship plot.
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JethroMcB posted:Yeah, that's another thing I had forgotten - the show is merciless with the fat jokes early on; it's a pretty big part of Stan's character for a while. Debbie, Barry, strawmen and random background characters, they're all constant punching bags. That first Debbie episode is especially rough. I don't know if the fat jokes start to wane after that one or if it was just so loaded that everything afterward feels like they're laying off that topic. I still love "Fatty can use the garden hose!"
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