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Wrageowrapper posted:I know it looks like a kids toy but I kind of want this thing. Oooh that looks fun
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They're gonna ask OP-1 money.
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Papa Was A Video Toaster posted:They're gonna ask OP-1 money. $500 from what i heard
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Mar 15, 2023 19:52
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It's 499 kickstarter price, 599 after. Usually whatever I guess I'd pay for gear, it'll cost double in reality, but this time it's x3. I don't know if that's actually too much, but I'm not a customer.
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Mar 15, 2023 20:56
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Uh, the papasan chair has not made the cut, I tried it for about 3 days and it killed my back.
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Mar 15, 2023 21:20
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Yo, been messing around in VCV rack again, and have a bit of a question / request for help getting closer to the bagpipe sound please.B33rChiller posted:I was messing around with generating melody sequences by feeding gates into mixers with the faders set at random levels, then into a quantizer. I had an oscillator going into a wavefolder and straight to the output mixer. I put a bit of slow modulation on the wavefolder and waveshape controls on the oscillator. While I listened to the result, it kind of had the sound of bagpipes to me. In particular, some of the notes sounded like grace note trills, so I cobbled the rest of a voice together from a rough idea of what pipes sound like, and vague memories of having looked up some pipe music. Close? Close enough? Ideas?
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Mar 15, 2023 21:29
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B33rChiller posted:Yo, been messing around in VCV rack again, and have a bit of a question / request for help getting closer to the bagpipe sound please. i don't know why i'm encouraging anything to sound more like fuckin' bagpipes but... 1. Use the Scala Quantiser from Nysthi in VCV - this will allow you to load in scala files, one of the various file types for handling microtonality in electronic music (along with .tun and some other esoteric poo poo). 2. Then pay a trip to Stichting Huygens-Fokker and download their (tiny) zip file containing 5000+ microtonal scales in .scl format: https://www.huygens-fokker.org/microtonaliteit/software.html 3. Find the bagpipe ones in this list: https://www.huygens-fokker.org/docs/scalesdir.txt
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Flipperwaldt posted:It's 499 kickstarter price, 599 after. Usually whatever I guess I'd pay for gear, it'll cost double in reality, but this time it's x3. I don't know if that's actually too much, but I'm not a customer. yeah it’s way more than i’d pay for it as well but also that’s what you get with small scale manufacturing
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Mar 15, 2023 23:12
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Scatterfold posted:i don't know why i'm encouraging anything to sound more like fuckin' bagpipes but...
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Mar 15, 2023 23:17
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If Chompi was Volca money it would be a lot more attractive. Oh well. Now watch as I spend twice that on a single eurorack module.
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Wrageowrapper posted:If Chompi was Volca money it would be a lot more attractive. Oh well. Now watch as I spend twice that on a single eurorack module. $500 is, I think, too much for this, sadly. At $350 I'd probably do it, and at 299 I almost certainly would, but when you get into 0coast / DFAM money, that gets a little more dubious. This looks marginally more like a real instrument than a Blipblox is (until you connect a BSP to a blipblox  ) but I was hoping for more blipblox esque pricing.Perhaps someone on modwiggler will fire sale one once they are sick of it and I'll pounce on it. In other news I have a Taiga sitting on my desk and I think it all works though I have not been able to get the ARP modes working, have also been sick as poo poo. The LEDs are too bright, the text is kind of hard to read. Aesthetic complaints. The sounds I've coaxed out of it just using the default signal path are all over the place, but, this feels like a thing with a 40 page manual which is going to take more time to actually understand than ~any given Makenoise thing with a 100 page manual. Oscs + filter have an interesting sound to them, so I think they succeeded in making a distinctive thing even if it's kinda arcane and also having a 2x3" OLED on it would probably have solved all that, but, you know, "analog"  Oh yeah, ordered a used bitbox micro today, too. Gotta sample dem taigas, right? edit: things I sold last month to pay for all this: Steamdeck, 2 pairs of headphones  My steamdeck had been basically unused and I think is poised to depreciate rapidly over the next 12 months. Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Mar 15, 2023 |
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Mar 15, 2023 23:40
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Wrageowrapper posted:I know it looks like a kids toy but I kind of want this thing. I left my guitar thread bubble to see if people saw this, I actually hate using synths cause I am too dumb for them, but this seemed simple enough for my dry caveman brain to see how I could use it. The quick and easy way to record a sample and adjust the start time of it is really appealing, also lukewarm take but I hate the standard piano keyboard layout and wish more things had plain chromatic buttons. Sad price cause I won't have that kinda money to spend anytime soon (I'll keep an eye out in 2 years for one someone spilled a white claw on for cheap on reverb), none of my guitars are even that expensive. BUT as someone who might only ever buy one synth type thing, I could maybe justify the price more than the regulars in this thread adding it to their gear mountain. Idk it looks neat and more accessible than an op1
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Mar 16, 2023 02:06
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Wowporn posted:I left my guitar thread bubble to see if people saw this, I actually hate using synths cause I am too dumb for them, but this seemed simple enough for my dry caveman brain to see how I could use it. The quick and easy way to record a sample and adjust the start time of it is really appealing, also lukewarm take but I hate the standard piano keyboard layout and wish more things had plain chromatic buttons. https://sonicware.jp/collections/online-shop/products/pre-order-smpltrek this thing is similarly small and cheaper and packs more features, could be worth a look
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titty_baby_ posted:https://sonicware.jp/collections/online-shop/products/pre-order-smpltrek this thing is similarly small and cheaper and packs more features, could be worth a look In the local synth circles two people got these and absolutely hated the UI/UX. So if you want quick and simple I’d steer away for now. They do update the firmwares frequently though. One option I can personally vouch for is Organelle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4_lJigBvKc It runs puredata patches (that you can make yourself if you’re into it) and a lot of them lean heavily on the sampling and looping side of things. For guitar stuff there are also all sorts of effects and granular things you can do wih it so it can even be a nice addition to a pedalboard. There’s a pedal input that maps to the button on the left which often toggles recording or similar. Admittedly the usability is not always great here either since some of the patches cram a lot of shortcuts on the keyboard. Slight geekery is required to upload the patches on the device.
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B33rChiller posted:I was listening to some strange robo toots and laser fights in a cave. Thought I would check out a bit more about the artist, and found this on his twitter. https://twitter.com/RichardDevine/status/1631876151265173504?cxt=HHwWgIC9mdWty6UtAAAA ah yes, the other richard
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Mr. Sharps posted:ah yes, the other richard huge 'fan' of how Devine has become a module/gear promo shill and yet every instagram reel is the same insane aural tech mess; where it's absolutely impossible to determine what particular microscopic noise is being made by the promoted gear in question
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Mar 16, 2023 09:19
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like don't get me wrong he's a very talented sound designer but his videos can gently caress right off
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The smpltrack looks like it is actually a more sophisticated/valuable tool, but I agree the design of it looks way less intuitive/simple which is key for me. A lot of the more nuanced features I would probably never touch, even a lot of effects I would be using my pedalboard for instead of what’s built in. The organelle is cool looking, the geekery part though is def a hurdle for me. I cannot overstate the importance of easy, intuitive controls. I’m sure the actual practical choice for me would be getting some cheap 90’s Casio sampler but it seems like a lot of those are limited by grainy lofi sampling It is not a choice that needs to be made anytime soon though so I am happy to watch how the chompi gets used out in the wild
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Wowporn posted:Idk it looks neat and more accessible than an op1 It's definitely more accessible but it's half the cost and it doesn't do nearly half as much and I am not, by any means, a fan of TE (got rid of my OP-1 for a hydra!) at $500 we are close to Hydrasynth Explorer money, or SP404MKII money. edit: and the fact that the pink one is taxed loving $100 speaks volumes, IMO. That's not "small producer woes", that's "aesthetics tax". Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 11:39 on Mar 16, 2023 |
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Some plastics are harder to work with than others for particular colors and densities. As someone who's done retail and fab in the past it's hard for me to not give heaps of doubt benefit. I think it's a funky purpose built computer and whether it's "basically" kit flip or not doesn't really alter the opportunity cost for the people making it at the end of the day.
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Scatterfold posted:huge 'fan' of how Devine has become a module/gear promo shill and yet every instagram reel is the same insane aural tech mess; where it's absolutely impossible to determine what particular microscopic noise is being made by the promoted gear in question He's been doing this forever, yall forgot about the Neko XXL eh?
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Scatterfold posted:huge 'fan' of how Devine has become a module/gear promo shill and yet every instagram reel is the same insane aural tech mess; where it's absolutely impossible to determine what particular microscopic noise is being made by the promoted gear in question I legit love that he does that, actually
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Scatterfold posted:huge 'fan' of how Devine has become a module/gear promo shill and yet every instagram reel is the same insane aural tech mess; where it's absolutely impossible to determine what particular microscopic noise is being made by the promoted gear in question I mean, that’s modular for you. It’s more to do with mining for and experimenting with textures than it is about structure, form, harmony, melody, or other musical things. Modular synthesis is by nature mostly for sound design.
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Pollyanna posted:I mean, that’s modular for you. It’s more to do with mining for and experimenting with textures than it is about structure, form, harmony, melody, or other musical things. Modular synthesis is by nature mostly for sound design. lol thanks but i'm not in need of an introduction to modular or what it's 'for'
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Clavavisage posted:He's been doing this forever, yall forgot about the Neko XXL eh? i had indeed. its like a desk has a vore fetish. amazing
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Pollyanna posted:I mean, that’s modular for you. It’s more to do with mining for and experimenting with textures than it is about structure, form, harmony, melody, or other musical things. Modular synthesis is by nature mostly for sound design. Honestly you probably shouldn't make big declarative statements about something you clearly don't know anything about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt45SJ-zEUI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm-ISatLDG0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3yHbf7XEXU Literally 3 off the top of my head, out of thousands. Modular synths have been on pop records since the 60s. Really only the Buchla and perhaps Serge systems were used primarily for sound effects and sound design, although some great music was made on those as well (a lot of it you may have heard on public broadcasting). More recently for sure there have been more modules geared toward pure experimentation and less traditional musical approaches, but that's also because modular synths in general and in all facets have grown in popularity so by course niches will flourish.
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Help, I'm overwhelmed, I've been playing my trumpet through MIDIguitar and playing synths with it, too much stimulus
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petit choux posted:Help, I'm overwhelmed, I've been playing my trumpet through MIDIguitar and playing synths with it, too much stimulus if it was a midi bass this would essentially be how the entirety of squarepusher’s selection sixteen was written
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watho posted:if it was a midi bass this would essentially be how the entirety of squarepusher’s selection sixteen was written some of the bass presets in pigments have been extremely fun like that. I've also been using it to control the Mininova, the NTS-1. Just getting wailed on with all kinds of wild sounds and combinations. Like running Surge and the Mininova simultaneously OMG.
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watho posted:if it was a midi bass this would essentially be how the entirety of squarepusher’s selection sixteen was written I think it might have even been more albums than that. I saw him on tour for Ultravisitor and he was still just standing there center stage, twitching violently on a bass guitar, triggering all kinds of crazyness
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Mar 16, 2023 21:26
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I was surprised to see that benn jordan/the flashbulb performs the majority of his music with a midi guitar live too.
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Guitar is pinnacle of instrument shape/interaction
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Wowporn posted:Guitar is pinnacle of instrument shape/interaction At least until one's wrists give out and making barre chords causes cramps. (in my case probably from sitting at a computer too much)
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toadee posted:I think it might have even been more albums than that. I saw him on tour for Ultravisitor and he was still just standing there center stage, twitching violently on a bass guitar, triggering all kinds of crazyness probably, at least the synths and such. but afaik even the drums on selection sixteen were written on the bass which i don’t know if that was carried on from that. either way the dude is an incredible bassist
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toadee posted:Honestly you probably shouldn't make big declarative statements about something you clearly don't know anything about. Also kaitlyn Aurelia smith makes really nice melodic stuff with mostly modular synths, she uses a buchla a lot, but here you can see here using a lot of stuff, and even this is more textural than she usually sounds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95UvPlhjbE4 Also the soundtrack for the game returnal, by the haxan cloak, is apparently mostly modular synths https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVnz9Nis0HU
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can we just love each other and agree that some folks make conventional music with modular or desktops or trumpets, others do sound design with these same things (trumpets??  ) but Cabbages likes making obnoxious noise, and that's fine?speaking of, I fully tested the taiga and I am satisfied it all works as described. Took more ramp up than I expected. Here's a bunch of obnoxious noise that is in no way musical but does explore some of the different sounds you get from kinda walking across the control surfce left to right https://soundcloud.com/suboptimal-synthesis/23-03-16-taiga-first-jam this was just 5 mins of loving around after spending like 50 mins understanding all the midi->CV and calibration and paraphony poo poo. I'm actually, currently, controlling it from... the rack.... over midi.... through CV thing.... which feels silly but works very well.
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Yeah I mean I wasn’t trying to dunk on anyone, I actually didn’t fully read the post I was quoting, and I thought they were just talking about making more melodic stuff in general with modular synths as opposed to more noisey/textural stuff. I don’t use any hardware modular stuff because im not as into making super abstract noisey stuff like that, because if I need to I can do it with max for live or a ton of other ways. But after playing with the Buchla VST and seeing Kaitlyn Aurelia smith play the buchla in some videos, I would love a buchla easel, it’s so expressive and can just make really rich, like, high definition, super full, textured sounds.
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Synths lend themselves to sound sculpting, I mean it's what they do more than any other instrument, I think that was Pollyanna's obvious point. Mechanical instruments of all sorts can do any number of things but not what people talk about on this thread the most. And it is a dilemma to me, when you pick up a conventional instrument there are all these conventions. I'm glad they don't exist in the same sense with synthesis* but those conventions are there so your aesthetic decisions are made for you, a whole whole lot of them, and they don't exist for synths, or at least not here. And the dilemma is I guess how to make something for somebody besides myself with all this. Stayed up late again playing with them, if I die in my little studio at least you'll know I died doing something creative rather than destructive fwiw. I don't really have many really good synths so I just ran Pigments and the NTS-1 by way of the theremin and enjoyed the weird combinations I was getting. And Polly, I don't know if any of this addresses what you're talking about, I'm mostly talking about my situation but I think we're kind of looking at the same questions, how to face all the possibilities that synthesizers et al bring to our creative world, and it begins to ask us questions of what is music for, and what it does for us. Most people don't get into that very much beyond their own basic urge to make music and to do it with other people, and their ways of doing this is to follow all the conventions that exist before them so they can get on with the business of playing. And this really begs a question I've had for a long time now. I'm like 60, I used to fricking live for Hearts of Space radio show, that had a lot of good stuff with synths, IIRC, that and a lot of the so-called new age movement. My question to you guys is: where did all that go? Everybody appears to be making some kind of IDM influenced stuff or whatever, that squarepusher seems about par for the course. It sounds cool but a bit tedious to me at first glance, kinda like stuff I'd do RN. Where did the people making all the new age music go? Am I the last person on earth with a bunch of Windham Hill records? I think my point is I think I want to take my synths more in a direction like that maybe. I had this moment of sartori where I saw myself thinking of a musical piece as a modern painting rather than a song, and as an oil painter I might be able to connect this way, because I don't really care for much pop music. I'd rather think of myself as Jackson Pollock than Michael Jackson. Now here is a link I found, this impresses me more than I realized. I used to love this poo poo back in the 80s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfHmEblM1Dk
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Cabbages and Kings posted:can we just love each other and agree that some folks make conventional music with modular or desktops or trumpets, others do sound design with these same things (trumpets?? I meant to say, thanks for looking out for me cousin. I'm thinking the best immediate usage for the trumpet is to use both the acoustic and electric sound of the trumpet together. Most of the synths don't capture all of the nuance and the acoustic signal still has it of course. But I'm kinda held up by the fact that I haven't played in 30 years and my lips can't handle it for too long RN. Oh poo poo last night I had an idea. Imma do it too, this is so harebrained LOL. I have always wanted to set up a bike wheel to spin as part of my deal, I think Imma do it maybe today. Gonna drill a hole in my desk, stick a fork from my old bike in it, put a wheel in the fork and put cards in the spokes, and put that in front of the theremin. Frankie say WHY NOT
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