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Psycho Landlord posted:Everything you can get in the campaign can be gotten in career mode including the aforementioned nonsensical spoilermech, and the campaign also redistributes which conflict zones are considered endgame in a way that makes endgame less interesting and varied imo. This is on top of the campaign missions being untouched by various updates and just being boring grindfests full of ninja tanks. Oh I didn't know it did that Maybe I should scootch it over now then. Will it track the stuff I already completed or reset all that? RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 14:59 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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Psycho Landlord posted:
nightstars are very cool looking, this is all the explanation needed
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RBA Starblade posted:Oh I didn't know it did that I think there's some sort of import feature but most stuff will reset. If you're already a ways in you might as well play it out. Just be aware that if you have rasalhague and kestrel lancers you cannot put them off for more than a few months when they pop or they're lost forever, so if you're out in the deep periphery for that you might get hosed.
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Mar 17, 2023 15:02
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Psycho Landlord posted:(Fr tho why does a clanner scout have a nightstar) For the same reason Wolf's Dragoons had WarShips.
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Mar 17, 2023 15:40
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PoptartsNinja posted:For the same reason Wolf's Dragoons had WarShips. It’s this. Also play the campaign because the priority mission rewards are way better than in career mode where they’re mostly a pittance
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PoptartsNinja posted:For the same reason Wolf's Dragoons had WarShips. That actually does not track because the nightstar was a stupendously rare mech even amongst the guys who built it during the Civil War and the clans didn't steal the design to build a second line version like the matar either. The things were flatly extinct until like right before the fccw. It's dumb to care about considering it's MW5 and lol about any sort of fluff compliance but it just stands out as the dumbest part of an already very dumb reveal to me. Psycho Landlord fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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Mar 17, 2023 17:43
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Yeah and while we’re at it, how ridiculous is it that a tiny diaspora of militarized fascists with no industrial base to speak of would do better at preserving technology than hundreds and hundreds of star systems, when the fascists ALSO had their own brutal civil war with WMDs? Anyway, the Nightstar, you were saying?
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I dunno if you think that's a gotcha but yeah the clans are dumb too. "The mechwarrior 5 writers crowbarred in their favorite mech in in a dumb way when there were better ways easily available to them" is not the same thing as weeb endorsement. Like hbs battletech was GDL tier fanfic about the player character too, but it manages to maintain some consistency in doing so so it gets called out less. Mw5 pc is some dude's rpg character.
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Mar 17, 2023 18:10
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I don't really see a problem with crowbarring in a reason to play with a cool robit tbh
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Mar 17, 2023 18:17
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The final campaign mission where you're defending against wave after wave of Atlases is awesome and probably the tensest moment I had in the game. It's a lot better set up than any of the regular defense missions.
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Psycho Landlord posted:I dunno if you think that's a gotcha but yeah the clans are dumb too. "The mechwarrior 5 writers crowbarred in their favorite mech in in a dumb way when there were better ways easily available to them" is not the same thing as weeb endorsement. It’s basically that everything involving the Clans is so loving stupid top to bottom that a Clanner having an antique Nightstar is the most small potatoes issue to possibly focus on. It is by far the least implausible thing involving them.
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Mar 17, 2023 18:20
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I bet it sucks to be the clanner with the ancestral locust
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RBA Starblade posted:Oh I didn't know it did that To get into detail here, because A) I don’t know if I would agree that the campaign has less interesting conflict zone distributions and B) informed decisions… In career mode the high rep conflict zones arenall heavily clustered around Terra and it’s surroundings. Practically speaking this means most of your employers and enemies are gonna be FedCom and Dracs. In campaign mode the game starts you in the Davion interior and you sort of spiral outwards going clockwise from lower rep to higher rep so the higher rep conflict zones tend to be at the Periphery. Rasalhague, Taurian Corridor, that kind of thing. There’s merits to both layouts, career mode clustering is undeniably convenient. The choice is yours and yours alone in the shrine of the Silver Monkey.
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Yeah the Nightstar was dumb. Should have been a Timber Wolf.
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If they'd just had the balls to give you a summoner or something I would have respected it more, and also immediately binned the summonerCaptain Oblivious posted:It’s basically that everything involving the Clans is so loving stupid top to bottom that a Clanner having an antique Nightstar is the most small potatoes issue to possibly focus on. It is by far the least implausible thing involving them. No, the least implausible thing is that they're all socially inept dumbasses The late 90s or so shift from "the clanners are actually just better than everyone else" to "actually they're all terrifically stupid and mostly get by through sheer arrogance and material advantage" was pretty funny Ensign Expendable posted:The final campaign mission where you're defending against wave after wave of Atlases is awesome and probably the tensest moment I had in the game. It's a lot better set up than any of the regular defense missions. Play the Kestrel Lancers stuff if you haven't already, that mission's gameplay is one of the rare highpoints in a mostly bad campaign but the Kestrels mission do it even better near the end Psycho Landlord fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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Mar 17, 2023 18:41
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I just bought all the DLCs yesterday, going to give it a whirl.
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Ensign Expendable posted:I just bought all the DLCs yesterday, going to give it a whirl. I just picked it up yesterday and it's pretty good so far!
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I think it couldn't be a Timber Wolf or any other omnimech because there's p hard canon that the Timber Wolf was first encountered in the Inner Sphere by Phelan Kell on The Rock around the date that the MW5 timeline stops advancing, and that it was the first omnimech in the IS. It needed to be a lost star league mech that went out with Kerensky rather than an omnimech. Also could Fahad have repaired an Omnimech? I mean, none of it really makes sense, but if you want to preserve the clan invasion for your next game then I guess a Nightstar makes some sense?
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The only reason I'm nerdranting about it is because the Nightstar is one of the only Amaris civil war era machines the clans actually did not have examples of it. It was legit extinct. If homeboy had been in an annihilator or whatever it would have just been funny. Like the "grievance" here is not WHY NOT CLANNER MECH it's "why the one lost assault mech the clans didn't actually have anymore" Hell have that poo poo be an Atlas II that would have been hilarious Psycho Landlord fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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Oh that makes sense, sure.
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Reading the nightstar stuff on sarna I don't really see how it was extinct. Production started at the start of the civil war by the sldf and the factories were destroyed at the start of the first succession war. Not really seeing why they couldn't have had some with them when they left
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wtf I thought they got nuked during the coup E: Disregard everything I have posted I was incorrect about ~lore~
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Psycho Landlord posted:That actually does not track because the nightstar was a stupendously rare mech even amongst the guys who built it during the Civil War and the clans didn't steal the design to build a second line version like the matar either. The Clans had semi-intact records of SLDF Caches and Castles Brian in the Inner Sphere. He probably pulled it out of a cache and thought "Yes, this will be less conspicuous than my Phoenix Hawk IIC" or whatever else, the same way Natasha Kerensky thought driving a Marauder full of Clantech in 3015 was the peak of subtlety (until she lost it to the Bounty Hunter in a game of chicken). And the Dragoons proper thought bringing a jump-capable manufacturing space station wouldn't get immediately noticed (and summarily blown up). Edit: Clanners are notorious for making really stupid choices, is what I'm getting at. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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My complaint is that the Nightstar sucks and doesn't really feel like a reward for completing the campaign. I threw it straight into the bin after daddy's Vindicator.
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It would probably be a contender for best mech in the vanilla game if Sleipnir didn't exist and was available in stores right from game startPoptartsNinja posted:The Clans had semi-intact records of SLDF Caches and Castles Brian in the Inner Sphere. He probably pulled it out of a cache and thought "Yes, this will be less conspicuous than my Phoenix Hawk IIC" or whatever else, the same way Natasha Kerensky thought driving a Marauder full of Clantech in 3015 was the peak of subtlety (until she lost it to the Bounty Hunter in a game of chicken). Yeah nah I was wrong about when the two factories producing it were destroyed was all. I thought they got taken out pre-retaking of Terra, not during the 1st Succession war. My whole issue has been rendered moot.
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What are you talking about it's an incredible headshot machine?!?!! And unlike Sleipnir you can deterministically get it, in case of bad luck.
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Nightstars are fantastic, what the heck
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Yeah about the only real problem with the Nightstar is that if you like to play in third person it has wonky animation and hitbox issues when torso twisting at full speed. But so does the KC, and also just play in first person 
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Psycho Landlord posted:My whole issue has been rendered moot. There is a lot of silly stuff in the lore. It's why my first response is usually to double down and try to make it even more absurd.
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The Nightstar has the same problem the KC does. Cockpit hitbox like a loving barn door. Other than that it’s an excellent mech.
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RBA Starblade posted:I bet it sucks to be the clanner with the ancestral locust No way, you can rack up so much honor in that thing
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Marx Headroom posted:No way, you can rack up so much honor in that thing no, your other honor
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Finally into the meat of Kestrel Lancers now and boy Fahad might be on to something with these crazy "isn't every single thing we just did war crimes" ideas of his Oh well back to firing the srms into the side of a skyscraper, like the last thirty missions
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It is official Davion law that you can't warcrime the capellans Not that you're not allowed to, more that it's impossible Everything could be a disguised urbanmech
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RBA Starblade posted:Finally into the meat of Kestrel Lancers now and boy Fahad might be on to something with these crazy "isn't every single thing we just did war crimes" ideas of his Kestrel Lancers is great because the missions sre fun and you’re also just completely unambiguously the bad guys every step of the way Which is usually how it goes when working for the great houses but especially Davion
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Captain Oblivious posted:Kestrel Lancers is great because the missions sre fun and you’re also just completely unambiguously the bad guys every step of the way Extremely obviously so lmao It's great fun so far, really drives home how much better the game could have been if it was less procgen and more curated. On the plus side there's enough high value reward missions now that you never really need to do standard contracts, unless you're splurging on something
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The Rasalhague campaign is the other end of the spectrum where you get the rare job that is morally spotless. Almost bewildering really.
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Did a recent Roguetech update do something weird with weapon jamming? I'm having Medium lasers jam, and I'm having weapons I didn't fire jam now.
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They changed the jinxed trait so that it effects all weapons, not just those with jam chances. They're going to change it so that it only increases the chance to jam on weapons that already have a jam chance at some point.
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RBA Starblade posted:Finally into the meat of Kestrel Lancers now and boy Fahad might be on to something with these crazy "isn't every single thing we just did war crimes" ideas of his Even the base game occasionally has someone on the radio begging you to not level a city block full of civilians.
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