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some plague rats posted:Think I've found your problem
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This is one of the reasons why many modern ttrpgs make it very clear that roleplaying is a social activity that should require informed consent and respect for boundaries. The fact that people in this game would mock other people whose boundaries they've overstepped is, at minimum, deeply crass and unsavory. That said, jfc
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Mar 19, 2023 08:02
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Runa posted:This is one of the reasons why many modern ttrpgs make it very clear that roleplaying is a social activity that should require informed consent and respect for boundaries. Especially for what seems like essentially discord larping, if the whole "24/7" thing about it is true, then there's no disconnect from the game experience it basically becomes a lived habit that can mess with you psychologically
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Mar 19, 2023 08:05
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Runa posted:This is one of the reasons why many modern ttrpgs make it very clear that roleplaying is a social activity that should require informed consent and respect for boundaries. Yep. Something that happen with these games was they would get talk up to being something different from other RP games too. This just led to a culture where like unhealthy stuff was clearly happening, but because "this is different from those other games" there was this justification of "well we are still figuring this all out," despite like as you said being a large part of modern discussions already.
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Mar 19, 2023 08:13
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these kinds of rp things sound deeply weird and extremely stupid. what other kind of weird poo poo is hiding in the rp forum
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Mar 19, 2023 08:16
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Getting De-Admined for mod challenging posters to roll on the F.A.T.A.L. random encounter table
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Mar 19, 2023 08:20
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I can't find the post but not that long ago the sagas thread remembered that there was an Ask Me Anything thread by a former World of Darkness vampire serial roleplay addict - offline, but similar kind of heavy plotlines and things - and it was both incredibly enlightening and terrifying. She just barely managed to get out before it was too late, by all accounts. But it basically described the atmosphere Bifauxnen talked about - FOMO, an all-consuming hobby. And this was from quite a few years ago so when I was reading it I thought "well, surely now RP like this has better safeguards now that people are aware of the issue, right?" Apparently not.
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Mar 19, 2023 08:22
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Snooze Cruise posted:Yep. Something that happen with these games was they would get talk up to being something different from other RP games too. This just led to a culture where like unhealthy stuff was clearly happening, but because "this is different from those other games" there was this justification of "well we are still figuring this all out," despite like as you said being a large part of modern discussions already. This is exactly it, yeah. The games developed in their own way from mafia to a puzzle game to roleplaying, so there was a sense that it was a new, wholly unique kind of game. It wasn’t helped by the relative success of most of the games papering over the structural flaws; the lack of OOC communication or safety guides, primarily, at least beyond putting everything on the GM and hoping they could handle it as well as the issues of every other one of the 16+ players. It was pretty isolating alongside the time demands, which made things very intense in good and bad ways but let minor issues cascade into major ones, as the GMs were under intense pressure to handle everything at all times 24/7, and players had no outlet to communicate issues with the game or even minor gripes without going through those responsible for the game in the first place. Jen X fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Mar 19, 2023 |
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Mar 19, 2023 08:23
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Autisanal Cheese posted:I can't find the post but not that long ago the sagas thread remembered that there was an Ask Me Anything thread about a former World of Darkness vampire serial roleplay addict - offline, but similar kind of heavy plotlines and things - and it was both incredibly enlightening and terrifying. She just barely managed to get out before it was too late, by all accounts. unironically one of the most shocking parts about this poo poo is that in recent years there really has been a big push to actually look after people naturally one of the mods of the loving rp forum on SA would be outed for doing this poo poo after it was ubiquitous
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Mar 19, 2023 08:23
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I'm sorry this happened to so many people and I'm thankful to all who came forward because I know it could not have been easy but it was an important thing to do and you've helped many others by doing so. It takes a certain measure of strength and bravery to come forward with stuff like this and I appreciate that.
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Mar 19, 2023 08:24
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Gone Fashing posted:these kinds of rp things sound deeply weird and extremely stupid. what other kind of weird poo poo is hiding in the rp forum There is a game for sickos where some players pretend to be gangsters or furries and everyone discusses who they want to murder. Also everyone has the same bed time.
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Mar 19, 2023 08:26
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Gone Fashing posted:these kinds of rp things sound deeply weird and extremely stupid. what other kind of weird poo poo is hiding in the rp forum A gross misogynistic poster that’s obsessed with a rape art board game that more than a dozen people asked to be thread banned multiple times getting protected by both Podima and Leper for one. What is the point of mods if not to enforce the values of the community they are serving? Might seem like a grudge or off topic post but considering this poo poo drove away many respected community members (notably our former IK who was a woman, with a sexist “she was difficult to work with” note to boot) it has a very direct through line now that this garbage came to light. Especially given that it involves the mod this thread is about. Prada Slut, for those asking. Bottom Liner fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Mar 19, 2023 |
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Mar 19, 2023 08:26
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Honestly I think people close to this are being too willing to undersell the problem because they assume everyone thinks this entire genre of role-playing is some insane freak thing in the first place. I tried a game like this once when I was like 13 and way too into Dragonball Z, and nothing weird happened or anything. But fundamentally, role-playing is fairly mainstream at this point, and I think any "normies" reading about this should have no trouble understanding why people could be into this kind of unique social game and why the dangers inherent to it make it really obvious that certain precautions are really important. Basically I'm saying this kind of post: Gone Fashing posted:these kinds of rp things sound deeply weird and extremely stupid. what other kind of weird poo poo is hiding in the rp forum
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Mar 19, 2023 08:33
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i had no idea any of this stuff was going on with riven or myst or any of those games when i suggested pod become admin. i dont get/do rp style games. My experience with podima was always on the mafia/frg end of things and we always tried to foster an open and safe environment there. i feel like he always did a good job in handling those games as a mod and had no idea about the peramene stuff and that was why there was a huge rift in the mafia/play by post community.
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Mar 19, 2023 08:33
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Bottom Liner posted:A gross misogynistic poster that’s obsessed with a rape art board game that more than a dozen people asked to be thread banned multiple times getting protected by both Podima and Leper for one. What is the point of mods if not to enforce the values of the community they are serving? You going to name names here or what
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Mar 19, 2023 08:34
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Mar 19, 2023 08:38
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Martman posted:Honestly I think people close to this are being too willing to undersell the problem because they assume everyone thinks this entire genre of role-playing is some insane freak thing in the first place. I don't think even D&D style roleplay is mainstream, let alone more involved stuff like LARPs and less gamey stuff like freeform RP. The kind of all consuming hyper-online stuff going on here really is several notches removed from mainstream, and that's part of what makes those unique joys and inherent dangers a lot harder to talk about.
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Mar 19, 2023 08:42
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The Bee posted:I don't think even D&D style roleplay is mainstream My only motivation in making this argument is to push back against people acting like "oh wow this is all freak poo poo so obviously it led to problems."
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Mar 19, 2023 08:49
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I think those posters should stop doing that because it’s weird as gently caress and like, play video games or take up baking instead. It’s absolutely freak poo poo, btw.
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Mar 19, 2023 08:50
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idk what kind of normies you know but if i tried to explain this to any of my irl friends, some of whom I've played d&d with, they would think it's really weird. this kind of thing inevitably attracts exactly the kind of person who shouldn't be involved in it, like the person who got permabanned. it's weird.
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Mar 19, 2023 08:54
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Autisanal Cheese posted:I can't find the post but not that long ago the sagas thread remembered that there was an Ask Me Anything thread by a former World of Darkness vampire serial roleplay addict - offline, but similar kind of heavy plotlines and things - and it was both incredibly enlightening and terrifying. She just barely managed to get out before it was too late, by all accounts. WoD thread - https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3735668
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Mar 19, 2023 08:55
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American McGay posted:I think those posters should stop doing that because it’s weird as gently caress and like, play video games or take up baking instead. Yeah I guess that is true. When I think safety from uncomfortable sexual content, I think video games.
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Mar 19, 2023 08:56
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Mar 19, 2023 08:56
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American McGay posted:I think those posters should stop doing that because it’s weird as gently caress and like, play video games or take up baking instead. I think baking is pretty freaky when you think about it, yeast is crazy
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Mar 19, 2023 08:58
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Gone Fashing posted:this kind of thing inevitably attracts exactly the kind of person who shouldn't be involved in it, like the person who got permabanned. it's weird.
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Mar 19, 2023 08:59
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Snooze Cruise posted:There is a game for sickos where some players pretend to be gangsters or furries and everyone discusses who they want to murder. Also everyone has the same bed time. That's how Mafia works.
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Mar 19, 2023 09:00
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Snooze Cruise posted:Yeah I guess that is true. When I think safety from uncomfortable sexual content, I think video games.
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Mar 19, 2023 09:01
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idk i have never heard of this kind of thing before but it seems like the people that have are all emphasizing that this is not normal for the format or genre (whatever you want to call it)
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Mar 19, 2023 09:02
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reddit has this problem too, except instead of some dumbass checking in once every 3 weeks to give random people admin, they get admin by camping every possible variation of a subreddit name until they get lucky and some dev announces CounterStrike 2: Valor on the Battlefield and then r/CS2VB who also runs r/jailbait and r/ukrainewarporn works with valve to keep moderating their community lol anyways its probably a good thing for us to have the same problems as reddit right
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Mar 19, 2023 09:05
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Nalesh posted:That's how Mafia works. Wooosh.
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Mar 19, 2023 09:05
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Seems like the ideal outcome that the person involved who got defensive and pissy got permabanned and the person involved who apologised for his wrong without making excuses or justifications just lost his star and buttons.
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Mar 19, 2023 09:06
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Zesty posted:Wooosh. Baiting people into wooshing your post, 
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Mar 19, 2023 09:11
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:lol okay this is all fake right this cant be real *looks for hidden cameras* there cant possibly be an admin that ran a riven rape rp discord like this its all a prank lol you got me jeffrey you son of a bitch
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Mar 19, 2023 09:13
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in it, 5
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Mar 19, 2023 09:13
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American McGay posted:What the gently caress are you talking about mate? Use your words. I am making a joke about you suggesting an alternative hobby that also has a history of making people uncomfortable with sexual poo poo, lol. I think you are being an rear end in a top hat and how you are talking about this shifts the blame a bit on the people who came forward. Like I don't totally disagree that this whole 24/7 RP thing isn't "freak poo poo" on some level, but so is looking at birds through binoculars or whatever. You are just making it sound like the people who got hurt should have known better at this point.
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Mar 19, 2023 09:20
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24/7 rp is insanely loving weird doubly so if you aren't even getting some weird sex thing out of it. what on earth are you talking about
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Mar 19, 2023 09:23
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Literally any social hobby or group dynamic can have abuse and gross behavior like this. There is no correlation to the hobby because this poo poo happens every day in every setting imaginable. Who cares if a hobby is weird to you or anyone else, that doesn’t justify any of this.
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Mar 19, 2023 09:23
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Snooze Cruise posted:I am making a joke about you suggesting an alternative hobby that also has a history of making people uncomfortable with sexual poo poo, lol. what in the actual loving hell are you talking about. shut up (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mar 19, 2023 09:26
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Snooze Cruise posted:I am making a joke about you suggesting an alternative hobby that also has a history of making people uncomfortable with sexual poo poo, lol. Explain how a single player video game has comparable consent issues with a group dynamic 24/7 role play game.
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Mar 19, 2023 09:27
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Man I just remembered, one of the outlets I tried to talk about this once was the Bojack thread. To stick up for Season 5 as one of my faves, cause that whole introspection on how to responsibly portray a fascinating but harmful character was so uniquely tailored to my interests. So if any of y'all saw that and wondered what the hell kind of RPG stuff I was referring to, this was it lol
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