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TACD posted:There was a post / article ages ago talking about how there’s 8(?) rules for telling a mystery story and Disco Elysium proudly and deliberately breaks every single one of them… does anybody remember what I’m talking about? just from google https://www.reddit.com/r/DiscoElysium/comments/qh92n9/is_disco_elysium_a_fair_play_mystery_the_game/ https://medium.com/@pjjudge/a-spectre-is-haunting-martinaise-why-i-liked-disco-elysiums-disappointing-ending-5cbb4f335e2c
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Mar 19, 2023 13:41
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Yeah I find the napping motivation quite weak, especially as it unlocks such an important scene. I think Kim (or Motorics or whatever) should have called out Harry's leg injury specifically and asked him to sit down a bit to rest his leg. They might even call out how Harry was standing on the boat blasting Sad-FM putting extra unnecessary strain on that leg. And then Harry nods off after sitting down without direct orders from the player.
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Mar 19, 2023 13:50
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The ending was absolutely brilliant. You just went through 3 immense dialogue scenes with 3 super pivotal characters (deserter, the cryptid, your partner) with all sorts of tie-ins to what you did in the game. I'm really not sure what needed to be added after a week in revachol. Gun turret sequence where you're shooting down Moralintern/Union airships based on your alignment score as you drive to Jamrock??
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Mar 19, 2023 13:55
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UP AND ADAM posted:I'm really not sure what needed to be added after a week in revachol. Telling Lena about the cryptid. 
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Mar 19, 2023 14:12
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:just from google One of the Mystery story rules is: games should be "apolitical". Disco Elysium never had a chance.
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Mar 19, 2023 14:16
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Count me among the people who complete missed the nap. I'll hopefully get around to replaying again someday and actually see it first hand instead of just hearing about it.
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Mar 19, 2023 14:22
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Avalerion posted:Telling Lena about the cryptid. The heart of the city of revachol beats on, the story is not finished but we don't get to see all of it.
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Mar 19, 2023 14:26
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Yeah, I just assumed the nap was in case you needed to heal... That was a very questionable design choice.
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Mar 19, 2023 14:28
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I skipped the nap because I was on murderer island and didn't want them to escape/get the jump on me, I always thought that Kim's offer was kind of bizarre.
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Mar 19, 2023 14:56
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I just went with the flow and laid my weary head down, but I can totally understand why many people thought they needed to stay awake and alert.
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Mar 19, 2023 15:33
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I too skipped the nap for the "i dont need to heal" consideration, as well as it being a bit late and I was pushing to finish out the game, but I probably should have been a bit more suspicious. It didn't end up being the end of the world since i watched a playthrough and caught the result of that, and it felt sort of fitting for a playthrough where I was trying to help Harry "move on"
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Mar 19, 2023 15:59
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i finally finished by first playthrough of the game! Kim was pleased with me so i can die happy. However he also said i never stop working so next playthrough, i am definitely slacking off more the game really said 'get stick bugged lol' huh seeing the conversation here.... i also thought the nap was a healing thing so i also skipped it. poo poo lol what an incredible game Killingyouguy! fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Mar 20, 2023 |
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UP AND ADAM posted:The ending was absolutely brilliant. You just went through 3 immense dialogue scenes with 3 super pivotal characters (deserter, the cryptid, your partner) with all sorts of tie-ins to what you did in the game. I'm really not sure what needed to be added after a week in revachol. Gun turret sequence where you're shooting down Moralintern/Union airships based on your alignment score as you drive to Jamrock?? It didn't need another climax/conflict, all it needed was a slightly more drawn out denoument, imo.
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On the other hand, I feel like Disco is among few games to actually have a denouement, so that was kind of cool alone. (Assuming you view the tribunal as the climax)
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Mar 20, 2023 01:35
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That's a climax, but the later encounters are definitely climaxes as well in my opinion. It might be better to think of them as the denouement though.
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Mar 20, 2023 01:40
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Kim told me to nap, I did it, that settles it.
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Mar 20, 2023 02:39
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:just from google "From my playthrough, at least, it wasn’t clear that he even knows who Lely or Klaasje are." That's just flat out unture. The deserter killed Lely because he had a creepy parasocial crush on Klaasje. He used the peephole to spy on her and Lely having sex and killed Lely because he was simultaneously jealous of Lely and resentful and angry at Klaasje because he was sexually attracted to her. It's a perfect mirroring of Harry and his on fixation on his ex-girlfriend and how his delusional fixation on the idea of what she is drives him to do unhealthy and destructive things. I think the person who wrote this just isn't a very good investigator.
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Mar 20, 2023 04:46
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Dora is not a good person, Harry let it go and move on.
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Mar 20, 2023 05:33
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steinrokkan posted:Yeah, I just assumed the nap was in case you needed to heal... That was a very questionable design choice. I very nearly missed it for that reason, I was expecting a fight so I had full health and morale plus a ton of healing items when I got to the island, but something about Kim’s insistence that I take a nap seemed out of character, so I did it.
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Mar 20, 2023 05:48
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KORNOLOGY posted:Dora is not a good person, Harry let it go and move on. she’s middle class so it’s obvy time to get on with your life, Harry.
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Mar 20, 2023 06:25
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the escape goat posted:she’s middle class so it’s obvy time to get on with your life, Harry. As time goes on, I start to see Harry doesn't actually like her. Otherwise, why dream of her as an extremely distant and hurtful person?
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Mar 20, 2023 09:50
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KORNOLOGY posted:As time goes on, I start to see Harry doesn't actually like her. Otherwise, why dream of her as an extremely distant and hurtful person? because he hates himself and feels that it’s what he actually deserves
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Mar 20, 2023 09:54
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the escape goat posted:because he hates himself and feels that it’s what he actually deserves I have to believe, if just for myself, there's more to it.
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Mar 20, 2023 09:58
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KORNOLOGY posted:As time goes on, I start to see Harry doesn't actually like her. Otherwise, why dream of her as an extremely distant and hurtful person? because the last time he saw her in person she was leaving him and it hurt more than anything in the world. honestly dora is shockingly patient with harry when he calls her at 4AM on a worknight, a call he's made so many times that it's burnt into his muscle memory dora is a normal human being who had a complicated relationship with harry and imo it is extremely missing the point to try and villainize her
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Mar 20, 2023 10:46
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dmboogie posted:because the last time he saw her in person she was leaving him and it hurt more than anything in the world. honestly dora is shockingly patient with harry when he calls her at 4AM on a worknight, a call he's made so many times that it's burnt into his muscle memory What I meant is Dora changed up and wanted a stable, conventional life with a man who doesn't call at 4 am randomly. She's a villain because she left him over money and substance abuse issues. She was originally so young. She is middle class to the end.
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Mar 20, 2023 10:57
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I am responding from Harry's pov, whereas Dora has obviously moved on. Which hurts, a lot.
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:"From my playthrough, at least, it wasn’t clear that he even knows who Lely or Klaasje are." That's just flat out unture. The deserter killed Lely because he had a creepy parasocial crush on Klaasje. He used the peephole to spy on her and Lely having sex and killed Lely because he was simultaneously jealous of Lely and resentful and angry at Klaasje because he was sexually attracted to her. It's a perfect mirroring of Harry and his on fixation on his ex-girlfriend and how his delusional fixation on the idea of what she is drives him to do unhealthy and destructive things. The political analysis at the end of that Medium post is also pretty bad. This is pretty much not true: quote:And I mean “dominated.” There is no room for any other ideology. There are no political partisans in this play. Disco Elysium does not hint at an impending revolution. There’s a labor dispute, but there’s no indication that this dispute will boil over into anything but more violence within Martinaise. The residents of Revachol are resigned to the totality of the Moralintern. The author seems mostly fixated on the failed revolution, without considering the game's (I think) pretty clear message that despite failure it's worth trying again and working toward a better future, because (as he notes) the alternative is total resignation. Weird to have a Mark Fisher pull quote in the middle of that section then complete miss Fisher's point. Also as I type this I noticed the post is from 2019, pre-Final Cut, so maybe it makes a little more sense in that context.
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KORNOLOGY posted:As time goes on, I start to see Harry doesn't actually like her. Otherwise, why dream of her as an extremely distant and hurtful person? it’s called a madonna/whore complex
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Mar 20, 2023 12:40
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:just from google these aren't very good, this article rules though https://alastairhadden.medium.com/a-storm-is-blowing-from-paradise-disco-elysium-on-the-past-and-present-e2fff5d629be Part 3 includes a dissection of the 'rules of detective fiction'
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Mar 20, 2023 12:41
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I still don't think that makes any sense, there's still major labour action in the city and the RCM preparing for a second revolution, it's depicted as a very politically febrile environment
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No Dignity posted:I still don't think that makes any sense, there's still major labour action in the city and the RCM preparing for a second revolution, it's depicted as a very political febrile environment yeah even before the Final Cut you could get a whole lot of information about the pending 'Return' if you followed the right lines of investigation. it even adds more text to the epilogue if you know about it
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Mar 20, 2023 12:43
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OK so I took the nap and I don't understand what that was at all But I also didn't dig into the ex wife stuff at all because I thought going down that path would run out the clock with how much conversation it'd entail
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Mar 20, 2023 13:11
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Harry is a romantic in all things, including the pending revolution. His bosses even say so.
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Mar 20, 2023 13:19
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Killingyouguy! posted:But I also didn't dig into the ex wife stuff at all because I thought going down that path would run out the clock with how much conversation it'd entail run out what clock
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Mar 20, 2023 13:24
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My first play through I legitimately thought the clock was real.
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Mar 20, 2023 13:26
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DE does not punish you for pursuing all of its content.
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Mar 20, 2023 13:29
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I didn't pursue the wife content because it seemed like an unhealthy fixation 
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Mar 20, 2023 13:34
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I love DE because rarely do I think "am I gonna get EXP or money for this", the reward for talking to people is more talking.
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Mar 20, 2023 13:35
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I didn’t pursue the wife content because my good friend inland empire told me to stay away from it
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Pursuing the ex-wife part can get you an early bad end game over, though, so it's not unwarranted to be leery of it.
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