GABA ghoul posted:

I think a lot of people are seriously underestimating how many civilian casualties there have been so far in the war. The UN number for killed civilians directly attributable to the conflict is already 8k+, which is IIRC roughly in the same ballpark as for the Iraq invasion in the first year. The actual number is of course substantially higher, but for Ukraine we won't know it until a peace agreement and the occupied territories have been liberated.

At the beginning of the war I had an argument with a tankie about how there is no way the number is going to be that high because Russia is much more restrained about using weapons against its "own people". Then Mariupol happened. It was a city of 500k people and the Russian army just paved it with artillery with zero hesitation or consideration for civilian lives. That really shut him up. Now it's on to "why would NATO force Russia to annihilate a city of 500k?"

Drone_Fragger posted:

I thought Ukraine has already said civilian casualties are on the order of 120k or so?

HonorableTB posted:

Interestingly, Prigozhin seems to have been hacked. He seems to be conducting tax evasion and LOL, ordering Wagner candidates to undergo polygraphs to ascertain war enthusiasm and whether or not recruits have ties to the FSB. The last bit is especially interesting to me.

Karate Bastard posted:

What?????? Tax evasion?????

I am Shocked!!!! Shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!

This man should be putin prison.

Drone_Fragger posted:

Christ. I dont know why they're not using the ukrainian estimates. They're in the best place to report on it.

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1637798396646899714
no normalization, no exports, until you piss off back home, dig?

mobby_6kl posted:

So why again don't we just destroy their black sea fleet and be done with this nonsense?

mobby_6kl posted:

So why again don't we just destroy their black sea fleet and be done with this nonsense?

mobby_6kl posted:

So why again don't we just destroy their black sea fleet and be done with this nonsense?

Alan Smithee posted:

lmao
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1637396406276177920?s=20

bringing back potemkin villages. The Soviet Union lives!

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/saintjavelin/status/1637732904317906944
And surprising nobody it was just that collection of FSO fake audience that were there with Putler's double on that day.

free hubcaps posted:

Unless by 'we' you mean 'ukraine' it's for a very obvious reason

BrassRoots posted:

Interesting theory: the fso arent there as security. They are double handlers that make sure the prick actor doesnt do a runner.

Maybe putin really is in an eagles nest situation making GBS threads on gold toilets forever.

Alan Smithee posted:

bringing back potemkin villages. The Soviet Union lives!

Pajser posted:

how do they make them stick to the script and not just do some clever bad impro?

actor doubles are, while plausible, just too expensive to maintain for some cheap gently caress like putin.

he's probably just jealous of zelensky and needs to make a show of:
'Look I can go to "frontline" too!'

quote:

More errors

None of the claims of Norwegian involvement have been confirmed. Several details can be denied, while some of what he writes is very unlikely.

Among other things, Hersh mentions Norwegian naval bases that do not exist and ships that are believed to have been in Norway during the period in question. He also writes that Jens Stoltenberg was already as a teenager a trusted source for American intelligence.

Ship data, satellite images and documentation that Faktisk.no has reviewed show, among other things, that:

None of the Norwegian minesweepers of the Alta class participated in the NATO exercise in the Baltic Sea.
Satellite images confirm that one of the vessels was at Haakonsvern naval base three days after BALTOPS 22 had started.
Satellite imagery, ship data and photos strongly suggest that the other vessel was undergoing maintenance at the Umoe shipyard.
A minehunting vessel of the Oksøy class was in the Baltic Sea. The vessel has shared positional data regularly throughout the exercise and, according to these, has not stayed above the leakage points. Satellite imagery confirms several of the positions and that the vessel was in the vicinity of other ships during the exercise.
The Norwegian P-8A Poseidon aircraft were not operational at the time Hersh writes that such an aircraft was on a "routine flight" over the Baltic Sea. Avinor states to Faktisk.no that no P-8 aircraft took off from Evenes airport on September 25 or 26. It must also be assumed that the plane would have been visible on the radars of several countries monitoring the airspace over the Baltic Sea.

Faktisk.no has contacted Seymour Hersh for comments on the article. The American's short answer is that "my comments are in my articles".

quote:

Stoltenberg trusted intelligence source in his teens?

One of the details many Norwegian readers may have been puzzled by in Hersh's article is the section where he explains why Norway was the perfect partner for the US.

NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg is described as a dedicated anti-communist who has been a trusted source of American intelligence ever since the Vietnam War.

The Vietnam War took place in the years 1957-1975. Born on March 16, 1959, Jens Stoltenberg was a teenager when the war ended.

quote:

Hersh has also published a map showing Norwegian naval bases at Evenes, Sola and Rygge, and air bases in Tromsø and Ramsund. Hersh clarifies that the map "is not accurate". That is an understatement.
Hersh has published a rather strange map of Norwegian naval and air bases. Screenshot:How America Took Out The Nord Stream, Seymour Hersh

The map places naval bases at Rygge, Sola and Evenes, but the correct information is that these are air bases. The naval station Ramsund has become an air base.

The Navy's main base Haakonsvern outside Bergen, one of Northern Europe's largest maritime military bases, is not on the map at all.

Tigey posted:

Who let Putin use the upstairs toilet?

Alan Smithee posted:

Runa posted:

saying war bad in Russia is incredibly brave

BrassRoots posted:

Its even possible that Finn or Swede domestic terrorists blew up the pipeline.

Because it seems to be an exploding pig, according to the debris field, nothing is off the table. Maybe europe is different but i know places where if you want access to a pipeline it aint that hard. And generally if it is a larger facility, somewhere remote for safety and enviro concerns,, the security patrol is less because noone goes there anyway.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Joe was seen yelling OK PULL IT on a phone call minutes before the pipeline blew

BrassRoots posted:

Its even possible that Finn or Swede domestic terrorists blew up the pipeline.

Toxic Mental posted:

I thought it was weird how Joe was caught in 4K listening to P.O.D.'s "Boom" on his earbuds while riding his bike on that day... hmmm

StrangersInTheNight posted:

is it basically like they're in a tiny EU? it sounds like they made themselves a tiny EU

UK crawling back to the EU one nation at a time

fish and chips and dip posted:

Norwegian factchecker Faktisk.no has gone through Hersh' claims about Norwegian involvment in the Nordstream bombing. Here are some DeepL translated excerpts. Bolding original. https://www.faktisk.no/artikler/zw8np/flere-feil-om-norsk-innblanding-i-nord-stream-sabotasjen





TL;DR: Hersh is full of poo poo, water is wet etc.

ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:

Pooh Bear arrives in Moscow and this poo poo is on sale in the streets:


lmao