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Rythian posted:Honestly just waiting for Edgeworth to realize he's stuck with us, unless he wants to defend himself. Is it too late to change the protagonist? Maybe our investigation will end with Phoenix convincing himself that Edgeworth is guilty. And then Phoenix will be the prosecutor, while we play Edgeworth defending himself!
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blackmongoose posted:A Steel Samurai box set autographed by Will Powers Alternatively, we get Will Powers to come in dressed as the Steel Samurai, extolling Edgeworth to fight for justice alongside Phoenix.
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Rythian posted:Honestly just waiting for Edgeworth to realize he's stuck with us, unless he wants to defend himself. Please, Edgeworth has principles. He's going to want to prosecute himself. This is why he does not want to be defended by the only lawyer to beat him in court, because it would give him worse odds of successful prosecution.
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DKII posted:Three updates on this page already. It seems we still don't really know enough to spark much discussion. So I'll throw out some bait - any thoughts on what we're going to have to do to get Edgeworth to agree to let us defend him? Convey his peril in interpretive dance.
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Incidentally, I think Edgeworth refusing to be represented is the real failure state of failing to nail Vasquez last case. They just couldn't show it in case 3 without spoiling case 4.
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the holy poopacy posted:Please, Edgeworth has principles. He's going to want to prosecute himself. *Edgeworth running back and forth between the prosecutor's and defendant's benches*
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Edgeworth said Nick is a rookie, so we just gotta show him, and go win some more cases. He'll come around!
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Mar 17, 2023 09:49
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I think the answer is wine and some case files.
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I think we just haven't shown him our badge enough! We have to show him we have the persistence and tenacity to win the case!
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LJN92 posted:Alternatively, we get Will Powers to come in dressed as the Steel Samurai, extolling Edgeworth to fight for justice alongside Phoenix. Please, Edgeworth has shown himself to be a cultured and sophisticated lad. It'd have to be Powers as the pink princess, she's the one that's all the rage since the steel samurai ended.
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Show Edgeworth that his court appointed defense attorney will be even worse than Phoenix. Larry, are you up for impersonating that court appointee?
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achtungnight posted:Show Edgeworth that his court appointed defense attorney will be even worse than Phoenix. Larry, are you up for impersonating that court appointee? just bring in winston payne and remind edgeworth that this is the general caliber of lawyer the japanifornia courts have
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Leraika posted:just bring in winston payne and remind edgeworth that this is the general caliber of lawyer the japanifornia courts have Payne is a prosecutor. And I assume him representing the general caliber of prosecutor Japanifornia has is a constant source of pain for Edgeworth. Also a person who represents himself in court has a fool for a client but if the prosecutor was Payne then with God as their witness even that fool could win, no need to call for Nick.
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I'm aware that payne is a prosecutor, which is why I said 'lawyer' and not 'defender'. Basically Phoenix is exceptional despite bluffing his way through every case, which means most guys are probably more like Payne.
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If Winston is the typical Japanifornia prosecuter, and the conviction rate is that high, what does the typical defense attorney look like? Do they just drop an attorney badge in a bowl of tapioca and call it a day?
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YggiDee posted:If Winston is the typical Japanifornia prosecuter, and the conviction rate is that high, what does the typical defense attorney look like? Do they just drop an attorney badge in a bowl of tapioca and call it a day? Have you seen those trials? A bowl of tapioca could successfully prosecute a lot of them, the deck is that stacked. Nick is honestly lucking in getting Judge Judge assigned every time since the old geezer is not senile yet, he's always awake during trial, and he's willing to give the defense a lot of latitude no matter how gonzo the theory gets on its face. Edit: while obviously the Judge is now a series in-joke my personal explanation is that after the first couple trials he's decided to pull strings and seniority to get assigned every time Nick is defending someone because Nick's shows beat all entertainment out there Omobono fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Mar 17, 2023 |
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I mean, we met Mia, who was murdered for being too competent, and that Grodyburger guy, who was compromised to the point where he wouldn't even defend Mia's sister because the murderer pressured him not to. And he's supposed to be one of the best in the field, so I dread to imagine what a typical defense attorney looks like.
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Part 81: Episode 4, Day 1, Investigation: Police Loyalty Oh man, I remember the giant box computers and monitors.  ...  Hey!Sound: Damage 2  Sound: Objection Detective Gumshoe!Sound: Light Bulb  Well that doesn't sound like it went well for us.  (I get the feeling we're in for some bad news...)quote:If we come here before meeting Lotta Hart, Gumshoe is still in the meeting and we get a different scene... Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal  All right, let's look around.  Starting with this character. He looks a bit like Winston Payne, that prosecutor we faced back in the tutorial. This must be the chief of detectives here. He's glued to his computer screen.  "Gourdy sighted"!!! I don't believe it! (Shouldn't you be reading something more important...?)Maybe just a relation to Mr. Payne then. He seems about as competent.  A poster of a female police officer... On display for the whole office, below the clock everyone has to look at, right behind the chief's desk. Really selling this character already.  The chief also has a stuffed animal on display? Is he a giant child? Hey, is that the police department's mascot...? That's the "Blue Badger"! Oooookay then. I... see. How nice. I'll get him assigned mascot of the Criminal Affairs Dept. if it's the last thing I do! Um, good luck! These are the detectives' desks. I guess the detectives don't spend a lot of time at their desks. Only one other guy hanging around. That must be one of the detectives. He's mumbling something to himself. "All right, hands against the wall, all o' you..." ... He must be doing image training for arrests.quote:This conversation changes depending on when you examine him. If we visit before meeting Lotta Hart (so Gumshoe is still stuck in his meeting), this guy is on a different training topic.  Let's see if Gumshoe will tell us any more about what's going on now. Do you know anything about the victim yet? No, no... Still can't I.D. him. Not a word.Now that's odd. We have no idea who the victim is still. We learned that fact pretty early on in every other episode.  So, how did the meeting go? Oh come on, we're not going let that get in the way now, are we? T-true... ... Y'know... Sure, Mr. Edgeworth's human like you or me. Still... He would probably line up to prosecute himself. That's just the kind of guy he is. Sound: Super Shock  So, they think that Mr. Edgeworth did it...?  I see... ... Umm... hey, in the end you did tell us about the meeting! ... Y-yes, sir! And... do me a favor! Stand by Mr. Edgeworth! Sound: Whack I'm sure we won't have any choice in the matter anyway. But he still won't even talk to us.  I'm sure he's got some reason why he won't talk to us. Thanks, Detective Gumshoe. New topic! Detective Gumshoe... Well, I'd think that was obvious. We got a strong working relationship, us two. That's not how I remember half of his testimonies.  A "working relationship"?Sound: Realization  Almost every time, now. Yeah, his methods might be a little extreme at times. But... there's a reason! That trust is... horribly misplaced, from what I've seen.  That's why I work extra hard, pal. I see... Sound: Damage 2 And you have my word on that! After all that, we're finally allowed to ask about the autopsy report. I was wondering, did you ever get that autopsy report? Oh, that? Yeah, I made a copy for you. Sound: Select Jingle That time of death is awfully vague. Thank you. ...Nick?Sound: Realization Huh?Music: Silence   Nope, don't recognize him. That face...! Someone you know? I... I don't know.  ...Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal  Maybe if we ask about the autopsy report again, Maya will remember some more? ... (Maya seems lost in thought.) ... (Guess not.) Time for the evidence parade!  No luck with the badge this time. The camera is a bust, too.  This autopsy report, however...  Thanks, Detective.Also a bust, but Gumshoe is adorable.  We've got a new piece of evidence with that autopsy report, let's show it around. Music: Silence  I don't even need to present it to Maya, we get this scene for free upon returning to our office. What is it? Oh.Sound: Light Bulb  ... ... ... ... Sound: Shock 2 Sound: Whack Some of the plot triggers this episode would be pretty tricky if I weren't practicing good adventure game habits. Clicking on everything, showing everyone everything, going everywhere every time something changes... This guy! This episode is going to be all kinds of tangled, isn't it? Our client is our former enemy with whom we have some kind of past connection. Now our victim has a connection to our former boss, and the victim two episodes ago? Music: Investigation - Core I met him once when I went there to hang out with Sis! That office...? Wait! Sound: Realization We're just going to be full of callbacks here. How is Edgeworth of all people connected to these two?  Right! That guy!Sound: Light Bulb (That was the last name I expected to come up...) (Maybe I should go talk to him... for old time's sake.) We are rewarded with some new conversation responses, proving that we're on the right track. Well, what should we do? Hmm... And Mr. Edgeworth won't tell us anything. Right.Is that a hint that Lotta has a picture ready for us?  Well? Penny for your thoughts? Thoughts... Thoughts... And... and...  What a jerk! Any more to say about the victim? Nick...  Let's go talk to him! Mr. Grossberg, I mean, not the dead guy. Sure enough, we can now visit Grossberg again. Or we could check in with Lotta at the lake. What should we do?
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oh hey we were just talking about lawyers who aren't Phoenix, we should get the scoop on this guy at Grodyburger's office
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[Zalgo]It's here. Ia ia ftaghn[/zalgo] Anyways, Grossberg was useless and grossly incompetent once, I think we should give him an opportunity to be so again.
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If we want to get anything out of Grossberg, we're going to have to gird ourselves for climbing a big mountain of waffling, but it needs to be done. Grossberg
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Well, at least there's nobody around to blackmail Grossberg into being the most unhelpful person imaginable this time, right?
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That's right, so he'll be being the most unhelpful person imaginable of his own free will this time.
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Don't be too hard on Grodyburger, he must be so sad now that his lover's in prison.
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I'm pretty sure that Edgeworth did it
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...! posted:I'm pretty sure that Edgeworth did it He found Gourdy!?!? Why are we bothering to talk about this murder trial?
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Part 82: Episode 4, Day 1, Investigation: Returning Favorite  Well I completely misread that decision. I wanted no part of talking to Grossberg again, but apparently you are all very interested in learning more about the victim. Let's do it! Music: Silence  He still hasn't gotten that painting back. Or even replaced it. Kind of odd with how well-maintained he keeps the rest of the office. It's been a while since I was here last. Mr. Grossberg is out as usual. (That painting is still missing...) (Mia must have known about the deal with Mr. Grossberg and Redd White...) (She kept track of all of White's extortion and blackmail rackets.)That's an interesting point. Did Mia intentionally tell Maya to go to Grossberg if she got in trouble, knowing it would lead to White? Why would she trust Grossberg otherwise?  Anyway, those hoping to talk to Grossberg are going to be disappointed; he's not here. I guess we haven't hit the right plot trigger yet.  We can still look around, and get Maya's input on this wonderful office.  A big painting was hanging there until recently. Huh. What happened to it? Uh... well, he gave it to someone. Sound: Realization ....My polls have been taken over by the Grossberg-White shippers who wanted to see that line, haven't they? Uh... yeah. Expensive-looking mahogany bookshelves, filled with expensive-looking books. Hmm... funny... They don't look like they've ever been read. Thief Maya is back! Phoenix wouldn't read the books either, Maya. Uh, we don't need them. Then, can we take that wooden bear? (Hmm. It is kind of cute.) A solid mahogany desk. The wood's been polished to a deep luster. I don't know. I don't think I'm ready to sit at a desk like that yet. Huh? I meant for me! You'd better start saving your allowance, then.Does Phoenix not pay her for her assistant job? Is she just hanging around because she has nothing better to do in between spirit medium training? She's still just 17, does she ever have to go to school or anything?  A table for clients. Hmm... an elegant ebony case, and if I'm not mistaken, that lighter's made of solid gold. Even I can tell someone here's got money to burn. I'm not really into smoking. We could put out candy, or gum. Classy... An expensive potted plant. No idea what kind of plant it is, but it's probably the most expensive one available. Right. He's a really cute... plant.Except for the wall, all of these initial examination lines from Phoenix are the same as in the second episode. We just get Maya's reactions tacked onto them. I've noticed a pattern where if a scene has boring examine dialogue, it's probably because we'll be back at the scene with another person later.  Nothing going on anywhere else, so let's head back to the woods and hope Lotta Hart has something good for us.  A scene intro is a good sign.  Sound: Light Bulb Music: Happy People Lotta! Sound: Whack Bingo...? Two? Are they both the same? Hey!   The hell? This gives me nothing! Wait...!Sound: Realization  Sound: Light Bulb He could be handing him a flashlight for all I can tell. You can't tell if they're really "he"s or not, even. I-it looks like that, yes. I'm sure this is an old-style camera but I could've really used a timestamp on this photo.   But, y'know... What...?Sound: Realization  Sure you are. Just like you're set up to look for meteor showers.  Whaaaaaaa!?Sound: Damage 2 A-are you serious!?Sound: Whack Course! (How do you forget... Never mind.) Uh, I guess? I don't suppose you'd tell us what you "remembered" first? I... reckon so! What's that?Sound: Objection  Sound: Whack But... that's not... ah, whatever.  I'm a sensitive lady!quote:Trying to get her not to tell the cops is fruitless: Hey, so, I'm off to talk to the cops. Later.Music: Silence  And she's gone. She'll be fun on the stand. W-w-wait! Lotta!Sound: Whack Music: Happy People  T-tell us what you saw, too! Please? Nice try, honey, but I wasn't born yesterday. Where do they find all these conscientious witnesses who know not to blab their story to everyone they see? I'd sooner eat the south side of a north-bound skunk than tell you! L-Lotta! Or was that the other way round? No matter. I'm gone! Music: Silence She left... ... (Well, if she saw something, there's not much we can do about it.) (The question is: what exactly did she see...?) (I guess we'll find out in the trial tomorrow.) Sound: Select Jingle Sweet, there is a timestamp after all! I half-expected to go straight to trial here, despite knowing almost nothing about this case. But we probably need to get Edgeworth to let us represent him first. Somehow.  Looks like the camera has something it wants to say. An expensive-looking camera faces the lake. Hmm. Looks like a computer is attached to the camera.Lotta's gone, go poke around the computer! I want to see more pictures! No?  Well, last time we were stuck with a client who didn't want us representing them, we had to go talk to Grossberg. Maybe he'll actually be there now, and help us out again somehow.  But first, apparently something is happening at the beach.   Hey!Sound: Objection  Sound: Realization Oh, Santa's here. Sure, why not. Aah!Sound: Stab N-Nick! I think Santa's mad at you!Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Realization  Don't be ridiculous! Dude, it's me! L... Larry!Oh hell no, I'm out.
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DKII posted:Oh hell no, I'm out. Not really, in case anyone has some trauma from a prior LP of this game getting abandoned at this same point. I must say, though, that is an elaborate Santa disguise. Fake nose and everything!
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Omobono posted:Larry is the best, why so much negativity around him? Well, you know what they say: if something smells, it's usually the Butz.
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DKII posted:Oh hell no, I'm out. 
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Omobono posted:Larry is the best, why so much negativity around him? Larry certainly is sweet and precious but with friends like him, who needs enemies?
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Larry! We were just talking about you! Wonder if he’ll turn out to be the killer this time and Phoenix will be mocked for not letting him hang sooner. I’ve seen other legal thrillers use such a plot.
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The police chief clearly had Maya's number. She is a hoodlum.
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Part 83: Episode 4, Day 1, Investigation: Daddy Issues We left off with...meeting Larry again. Music: Happy People What are you doing here!? Sound: Whack  I sell Samurai Dogs! Want one? (K-Kiyance...? Not another model, I hope...) Oh, Kiyance's a fine, fine woman, Nick. The ridiculous/happy people theme music once again picks a winner. This guy... She bought this costume for me! That... that's great, Larry. Sound: Light Bulb  Whoa! Cute!Sound: Stab 2  Sound: Drama Pound Not my... what? N-no, she's not! I'm, uh, the little sister. Sister...?Sound: Realization ... Wow, Nick, must be tough. N-no, I'm not Nick's sister, I'm my older sister's little sister...Sound: Light Bulb Huh. Sounds great! (Don't worry, Maya, he's not listening...) We're just bringing back every prior character, huh?  So, Larry, you run this thriving hot dog stand, huh? I can't get over the Samurai Dogs... The "Original" Samurai Dogs, no less. Why don't you add "world-famous" to the sign? Hey, good idea!Sound: Light Bulb (What have I done...?) Hey, Nick, benches!Sound: Light Bulb  I think not. It's too cold to sit and eat hotdogs out here! Wimpy city boy! Hmmmm no thanks.  I guess we have to talk to Larry now. Hey, Larry. There was a murder here last night... And since you work here... Have you heard anything? Last night was Christmas Eve! He was with Kiyance, obviously! Music: Silence  Sound: Stab 2 ?Music: Happy People I think what you just said caught him off guard, Maya.Yup, he got ditched for Christmas.  She... she's in Hawaii on a photo shoot. (A model. I knew it.) Well, anyway, there was a murder here on the lake. The trial's tomorrow. The defendant is Edgeworth. Miles Edgeworth. Um, Nick? Music: Silence Whoa, Nick!Sound: Objection  Larry knows him too!? This episode needs one of those tangled relationship charts. Yeah. He's a murder suspect. Wh-whoa! Murder? Huh? You know Mr. Edgeworth, Larry? Yeah! Of course!Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Realization Ah, we finally have the connection! Hmm, if Larry is also connected to Edgeworth, maybe Larry's the killer and framed him! Now that'd be a twist, our client from the first episode turning out to be the killer in the finale. Whaaaaaaaaat!?Sound: Drama Pound Music: Happy People  Guess we'll have to follow up on that later.  Umm... umm... tell me about the dogs! W-why are they Samurai Dogs? I... I mean they kind of look gourd-shaped. Ouch...Sound: Light Bulb  She was all "change the name and you go girlfriend!" She made me that banner!  Erm... Oh, and guess what? The "big news"...? Yeah! Gourdy! G-"Gourdy"...? I refuse to maintain a single conversation thread. So, Mr. Edgeworth was your classmate, Larry? Yeah, Nick, him, and I used to hang out all the time. Wow... I never knew. Studying all the time, trying to "be like father." Like his father...?Aha, daddy issues confirmed!  Wow. Wait...Music: Silence  Sound: Realization Now that's great. Dad's a defense lawyer, so Edgeworth makes it his mission to absolutely eviscerate defense lawyers and get all their clients declared guilty. So many issues there. Yeah. Wait a second! Sound: Realization What? Edgey's got a proboscis on his knee!? Sound: Whack That's like the total opposite of a defense lawyer! ... Huh. Go figure! Are we talking about the same Edgeworth? You know what, here's the real reason we faced Winston Payne in the first episode. Larry would have blabbed all about this connection back then. And now Phoenix is doing the same job as Edgeworth's dad, serving as a constant reminder of whatever issues he still has, and ruining his unblemished record no less. No wonder he has weird interactions with us. Man, he used to go on and on about man's duty to society and all that. What a bore! I wonder what changed his mind, though? Do you know, Nick? ... Nick...?Music: Happy People  Nick apparently isn't answering. In fact he was suspiciously quiet during that whole conversation. I think we have a better suspect now, though - the senior Edgeworth would be quite the dramatic villain here. Anyway, let's keep going. Umm... what's "Gourdy"? Huh? You mean you don't know? Sound: Realization A... monster?Sound: Light Bulb Yeah. Wow! It's r-really real!Music: Logic and Trick  Hmm... Nick! A monster! A real monster!Sound: Whack Umm... yeah. (It's probably just a log or something... right?) Hmm... What's this? Another automatic camera?  Ah! That's why Lotta's camera is set up to respond to loud noises like that. She's trying to get a picture of Gourdy after all.  Sounds a lot like the murder we saw in the prologue, actually. But how would that be in yesterday's paper, if it happened last night? I have a theory half-formed here. Something about all the hints we've had so far is telling me we have some kind of timing mystery here. Like there were really two murders done in a nearly-identical way, or a real murder and a staged murder done the same way to mix up evidence from the two together. Maybe for an alibi or something. And Gourdy somehow plays into it? Is Gourdy a submarine periscope with a revolver attachment?  Music: Happy People  (Why would there be a sound like an explosion...?) Larry. Could I borrow this article from you? O-one million...?Sound: Realization (Grow up, Larry.) Sound: Select Jingle Now this evidence will be interesting to use somewhere. Maybe we use it to convince Lotta to fess up about why she's really here.  Hey, Larry, tell us about Gourdy again. Hey Nick, show me that article once more. Or we could just look at the article again ourselves, I guess. "I heard a loud 'bang'! Like an explosion..." How romantic! Yeah. I'm just glad I'm selling more dogs! We've finally gotten all the talking with Larry done, let's run through the evidence. We've actually got a decent list together already, but not a lot of concrete information between it all.  Dude, you really helped me out back in that trial. S-sorry, I can't really pay you. (Cause you blow it all on "Kiyance"...!) R-really!?Sound: Light Bulb Larry... If you let her at your dogs, you won't have any left for the other customers. (How many times do I have to remind you that it was ME who got you off the hook!)It was mostly Mia, really. But feeding Maya might save us more in the long run anyway.  Whazzat? It's a camera. You take pictures with it. L-Larry! You mean you don't know what a camera is!?Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Super Shock I was talking about the weird contraption on that camera! Oh, that. Well... it's hard to explain. Just forget about it. Good point, you're right.   Who's this? I don't know. That's why I asked you. Who's this, Maya? Well...quote:If we hadn't gone back to our office to get Maya's revelation on the victim's identity yet, we get an additional line to remind us:  W-what's this?Sound: Light Bulb  Actually, the photo's blurry, Larry. It was taken last night. Last night...? Sorry, Nick. I know that's just his generic "no reaction" reaction, but you just gave that to us, Larry.  We're done with Larry, let's see what's up at the police department. Music: Silence  ... Not a Gumshoe in sight. Sound: Light Bulb Apparently, an important witness turned up. He'll be in there a while. Sound: Realization Lotta!  Uh oh...Music: Dick Gumshoe - Detective Gumshoe, Pal  I'm mostly here to check in on this guy again. That must be one of the detectives. He's mumbling something to himself. "Never enter the target's field of vision..." ... He must be doing image training for tailing.Music: Maya Fey ~ Turnabout Sisters Theme  I went back to chat with Maya again...   Sound: Whack Whoa! O-okay! Let's go check things out.She has a more generic reaction to the camera, now that we have the photo, but that's about it. She gives the same line for the photo and the newspaper article, too. I guess we should be in a bit more of a hurry. Next time I'll check in on Grossberg and see if he's actually there this time.
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I bet the Judge was at the same school as Nick, Larry, and Edgeworth. Maybe as a teacher.
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Gumshoe too. School
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Grossberg was the Art teacher.
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They were all orphans from the same orphanage, and Maya's mother was their caretaker.
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Oh yeah here's the worst part of this first game, wondering da gently caress you need to do next during investigation sections (was it to Lotta again right now?). Especially this case investigation sections are both incredibly railroaded and extremely open, with a lot of locations you can move to and little indication where to go next. Meanwhile moving around is a loving pain with the way rooms link up. Later games get way better luckily.
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