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15 | 3.71% |
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mlmp08 posted:Also Russian reps freaking out and announcing that every new conventional weapon is actually the same as deploying nukes is one of the moves China has vocalized is not helpful or wise. A most fatuous lord!!
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Mar 21, 2023 15:42
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Frosted Flake posted:Since 2014 a situation was designed so that groups that would agree to a peace are kept far away from power, and Blood and Soil nationalists, the "Veteran's Movement" people, are placed in government, military and media. Combine that with the US presumably continuing to arm them, there would be no peace. Moreover, we saw Boris Johnson personally intervene, Ukraine kill their own top negotiator, God knows what else. I don't know how China can impose a peace when nobody in Ukraine will agree to it, which seems to have been the intended result. a completely baffling trend which i see all the time in norwegian media is talk about "bringing putin to the table" as if the russians are the ones demanding capitulation from their opposite party before any talks can be resumed. hardly seems aware that the reason there are no talks ongoing is because ukraine refuses to engage in negotiations while there are russian troops in ukraine's pre-2014 borders, and if you make this strictly factual point you get shouted at. this may be a reasonable position for the ukrainians to take with regards to their own political situation and the course of the war (and given that we know that the government cannot agree to russia's present demands), but it's not a question of forcing the russians to the table - it's forcing the russians to the table on the ukrainians' stated terms, i.e. full military victory. the roles are completely flipped rhetorically, however, to the point where it is generally assumed that the russians are the ones placing onerous preconditions for even beginning negotiations, meaning that western support for ukraine can be framed as trying to force through a compromise. it is incredibly exasparating to try and navigate the discussions here, because in a lot of context one makes the vibe bad by saying things which are clearly and demonstrably true.
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Mar 21, 2023 15:42
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V. Illych L. posted:a completely baffling trend which i see all the time in norwegian media is talk about "bringing putin to the table" as if the russians are the ones demanding capitulation from their opposite party before any talks can be resumed. hardly seems aware that the reason there are no talks ongoing is because ukraine refuses to engage in negotiations, and if you make this strictly factual point you get shouted at. If Norwegian coverage has been anything like Swedish I would not call it baffling, considering that Putin has been made an irrational ogre that there is no reasoning with for over a year. It's just consistent with previous reporting.
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Mar 21, 2023 15:44
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xiaoren posted:If Norwegian coverage has been anything like Swedish I would not call it baffling, considering that Putin has been made an irrational ogre that there is no reasoning with for over a year. It's just consistent with previous reporting. even granted this, this is a very straightforward factual point which has been broadly reported upon in mainstream outlets. you'd think that this made it at least safe to point out strictly as a matter of fact, but it doesn't.
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Mar 21, 2023 15:46
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It's not 1:1, but this is also how the French and Americans presented their respective talks with the Vietnamese. Was it Al-Saqr or someone else that said this can be domestically dangerous? I think it was in reference to the Arab-Israeli wars or something where the state media kept saying "we're winning", "we brought the cowards to the table", and then just one day it was announced what the terms of the ceasefire actually were, and those couldn't be spun as easily.
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Mar 21, 2023 15:55
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It is a complete mystery why a Western press would do such a thing. That said to be honest, I don’t know why the Russians would actually come to the table at this point unless Ukraine was suing for peace. Even if they didn’t want to go through another wave of mobilization, it would be a lot easier just to keep on shelling the Ukrainians indefinitely and let those factories do their job. If the Russians know the Ukrainians are taking more casualties and have the ability to keep or accelerate that process, they will just kick back. It doesn’t seem like there is much war fatigue from the Russian population. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 16:00 on Mar 21, 2023 |
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Mar 21, 2023 15:55
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You don't how I commented that Xi's visit to Russia is very sudden and seem out of usual MO for Chinese foreign affair protocle. I think I figure out the motive of this visit timing. I thought it would make more sense if Xi do it after Tsai's stop over visit to US and after Little Macron's impending visit to China. I heard that the leaking of Xi's visit was from the Ukraine side. In other words, China didn't even tell US Xi's impending visit, they only told it to Ukraine in order to schedule a zoom meeting with Zelenskyy. Obviously, telling Zelenskyy equal telling US, so either US or Ukraine leaked it to the press. (I think it was Reuter or whoever broke the news a couple days before the Beijing announcement). Anyway, there has been shocking lacking of US (Blinken/Biden/Sullivan) accusation of Xi supporting the invader. There is only a hit piece of discovering China marking bullets in the war which is a nonthingburger. I think I figure out why. The banking financial crisis is not over. From what I have heard, the current banking trouble is not remotely over. There is a possibility of developing into a 2009 II situation. And US need China's help to buy more US bonds and debt and whatever to get over the current problem caused by the high interest rate. I am only interest in geopolitics and not investment so I will just speak in the language I am familiar with. Basically Xi sensed he is currently sitting at the position of strength and both the US """doves""" Yellen and Raimondo are banging at the door and want to go to China. So Xi knew US can't poo poo talk China at this very moment, that's why he quickly bag this long planned Putin visit and move on the next stage of Sino-US competition. Blinken already shot his load and melt down over the balloon nonsense, so he burnt his bridge and can't come to China. So it's up to Yellen and Raimondo on the next at-bat. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 16:01 on Mar 21, 2023 |
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Mar 21, 2023 15:58
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mlmp08 posted:Also Russian reps freaking out and announcing that every new conventional weapon is actually the same as deploying nukes is one of the moves China has vocalized is not helpful or wise. Russia should listen to china. Also ukraine should not listen to china because...
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Mar 21, 2023 15:59
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Hmm something like that would give China the necessary leverage over the US to make them agree to a cessation of hostilities, which is the only condition from the Ukrainian side that matters.
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Mar 21, 2023 16:00
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Frosted Flake posted:Was it Al-Saqr or someone else that said this can be domestically dangerous? I think it was in reference to the Arab-Israeli wars or something where the state media kept saying "we're winning", "we brought the cowards to the table", and then just one day it was announced what the terms of the ceasefire actually were, and those couldn't be spun as easily.
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Mar 21, 2023 16:03
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It feels so bizarre to see the end of totalized American global hegemony and the return of true multipolarity that I'm having a hard time internalizing it. All this over the eastern region of some backwater where the US decided to try to put some dipshit nazis in charge. It all adds up perfectly well and it's not like it's surprising in retrospect that neoliberalism led to a state apparatus incapable of thinking long-term materialistically but still. I imagine that anyone born the same year the cold war ended must feel the same but it's so bizarre to like... have positive feelings about the future. CyprianLatewood has issued a correction as of 16:10 on Mar 21, 2023 |
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Mar 21, 2023 16:07
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Cuttlefush posted:barons? lords? it's called democracy
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Mar 21, 2023 16:09
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Ukraine is getting owned and even they should be able to see that the West is depleted and impotent. I imagine anything that lets Ukraine keep Odessa and Zelensky keep his head would be welcome at this point.
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Mar 21, 2023 16:17
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The problem with Odessa is that it's still in large part Russian, which causes a lot of friction with SS Division Galicina out of Banderschtat.
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Mar 21, 2023 16:18
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https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom/status/1638032093937643520 how do you not have an answer to a comparison between Iraq and Ukraine locked-and-loaded at all times. you've got to loving know it's going to come up if you're a Ukraine war booster!
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Mar 21, 2023 16:20
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well that's one way to deal with the dissonance
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Mar 21, 2023 16:21
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Sometimes a country just elects a bunch of Nazis and we should respect their right of self determination.
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Mar 21, 2023 16:21
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Lostconfused posted:Sometimes a country just elects a bunch of Nazis and we should respect their right of self determination. I don't think anyone gives a poo poo about a country electing a bunch of Nazis, that's just par for the course when it comes to democratic societies.
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Mar 21, 2023 16:24
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Frosted Flake posted:Moreover, we saw Boris Johnson personally intervene, Ukraine kill their own top negotiator, God knows what else. God drat how did I miss this happening? CyprianLatewood posted:It feels so bizarre to see the end of totalized American global hegemony and the return of true multipolarity that I'm having a hard time internalizing it. All this over the eastern region of some backwater where the US decided to try to put some dipshit nazis in charge. It all adds up perfectly well and it's not like it's surprising in retrospect that neoliberalism led to a state apparatus incapable of thinking long-term materialistically but still. Trump will win his campaign for re-election against a desiccated Biden. The Trump administration will once again fail to secure a Chick-fil-A franchise, allowing Xi Ping to swoop in with a Dicos deal and kicking off US balkanization.
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Mar 21, 2023 16:33
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aren't cluster bombs like, illegal or something? https://twitter.com/deitaone/status/1638200458446618627
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webcams for christ posted:aren't cluster bombs like, illegal or something? there's a convention banning their use but a lot of big countries aren't signatories to it, such as Russia and China and the USA. but it's a convenient thing to trot out if a Bad Country is using them, and gets quietly forgotten if it's a Good Country
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Mar 21, 2023 16:44
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webcams for christ posted:aren't cluster bombs like, illegal or something? John Charity Spring posted:there's a convention banning their use but a lot of big countries aren't signatories to it, such as Russia and China and the USA. but it's a convenient thing to trot out if a Bad Country is using them, and gets quietly forgotten if it's a Good Country neither the US nor Ukraine are signatories to the cluster bomb convention
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Mar 21, 2023 16:49
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John Charity Spring posted:there's a convention banning their use but a lot of big countries aren't signatories to it, such as Russia and China and the USA. but it's a convenient thing to trot out if a Bad Country is using them, and gets quietly forgotten if it's a Good Country yeah that makes sense but why would you want to use weapons with such a high propensity for collateral damage inside your borders?
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Mar 21, 2023 16:52
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An action can still be against international law, even if the country that commits, the action, never signed the treaty, which made the act unlawful l
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Mar 21, 2023 16:54
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webcams for christ posted:yeah that makes sense but why would you want to use weapons with such a high propensity for collateral damage inside your borders? because it's effective against enemy troops and they don't care about the collateral
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Mar 21, 2023 16:55
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https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1638205235951804421 It's a quote from RIA if anyone wants to check https://t.me/rian_ru/197565
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Mar 21, 2023 16:57
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euphronius posted:An action can still be against international law, even if the country that commits, the action, never signed the treaty, which made the act unlawful America is above international law.
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Mar 21, 2023 16:58
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webcams for christ posted:yeah that makes sense but why would you want to use weapons with such a high propensity for collateral damage inside your borders? They don't care. The fighting is also mostly in, if we're being frank, non-Ukrainian areas where they're happy to punish the civilian population anyway. For them, the UXO is not their problem, either because they tacitly admit Russia will control those areas, or because they don't care to clean it up, should they somehow maintain possession of them.
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Mar 21, 2023 17:12
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Frosted Flake posted:Hmm something like that would give China the necessary leverage over the US to make them agree to a cessation of hostilities, which is the only condition from the Ukrainian side that matters. Bank collapse good.
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Mar 21, 2023 17:16
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Ardennes posted:
There's nothing really hurrying the Russians to the negotiation table right now. At this point the damage done by sanctions is baked in and mostly considered permanent, and there's rush or desire to revert to the previous situation. Even after a peace deal, I doubt the Russians will be re-joining SWIFT, integrating supply chains with the west or depositing any reserves in western banks. The cars and cellphones will be mostly Chinese, but equivalent in most ways to what was there before. I'm starting to get the sense that the western approach to this war wasn't very well thought out.
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Mar 21, 2023 17:20
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Freezer posted:I'm starting to get the sense that the western approach to this war wasn't very well thought out. oh it was well thought out, just that the goals were insane
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Mar 21, 2023 17:27
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Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:God drat how did I miss this happening? it happened early and quickly the first peace talks happened and then like a week later one of Ukraine's negotiators was shot dead, by Ukraine. They initially said he was a traitor and shot resisting arrest. Then immediately pretended they didn't say that and said he was buried as a hero with full honours. Now they don't talk about it at all.
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Mar 21, 2023 17:30
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Freezer posted:I'm starting to get the sense that the western approach to this war wasn't very well thought out. They created a situation where the state not only doesn't directly control any of the instruments for making war, but also can't direct them. Their only incentive mechanism is subsidy, which is immediately directed to (profitable for shareholders) stock buybacks rather than (unprofitable) material and labour intensive production of armaments. We've created a system more chaotic and less sensible than the Chaos Dwarfs in Warhammer.
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Mar 21, 2023 17:31
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If the goal is to bleed Russia then exponentially increasing the rate of birth defects and cancer in thier soon to be acquired lands is a good move. Over the next 30 years the cost to the state in medical treatment and lost productivity could be billions.
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Mar 21, 2023 17:54
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can someone explain depleted uranium to me, it seems like a purely and uniquely evil substance to be using in any way, surely there have to be some military or economic justifications for its use that's a really interesting analysis
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Mar 21, 2023 17:55
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indigi posted:can someone explain depleted uranium to me, it seems like a purely and uniquely evil substance to be using in any way, surely there have to be some military or economic justifications for its use its extremely hard and dense, making it ideal for doing things like penetrating armor
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Mar 21, 2023 17:56
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is it especially better or cheaper than other armor penetrating substances?
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Mar 21, 2023 17:58
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mlmp08 posted:Also Russian reps freaking out and announcing that every new conventional weapon is actually the same as deploying nukes is one of the moves China has vocalized is not helpful or wise. sources for both of those statements?
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indigi posted:is it especially better or cheaper than other armor penetrating substances? yes. yes.
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