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Mr. Grapes! posted:I really think the best way to do the Portal Stuff would be to add it to the IE map as an Endgame Crisis. I like the idea behind RoC but the implementation was bad. There's still plenty of tweaks they could make to fix it/make it better while still having it be a challenge. if it gets added as an endgame crisis in IE it could be boss.
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Chaos Realms as a starting province for monogods could be interesting. From there you could perhaps portal through and make that your starting zone in the world. Balance would probably be all over the place but those areas have some great visual design and it would be nice to incorporate them somehow.
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Mar 23, 2023 19:56
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Tirranek posted:Chaos Realms as a starting province for monogods could be interesting. From there you could perhaps portal through and make that your starting zone in the world. Balance would probably be all over the place but those areas have some great visual design and it would be nice to incorporate them somehow. This is more or less what N'kari got in RoC, right up in the corner of the Chaos Wastes, and he's definitely up there as one of the most fun Chaos factions. I did play his campaign with the RoC portal mechanics turned off though
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Mar 23, 2023 19:58
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feller posted:Dwarfs have to play pretty defensively compared to most races. Are you building the garrison building in your settlements? Those and a half stack can defend against almost anything once you get some practice at minor settlement battles. Yup, did just that. Was not enough. Then a full stack I had moving out to reinforce my settlements in the east got wiped out by orcs at the same time. I want to like these games, but the learning curve is very, very steep.
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Mar 23, 2023 20:03
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Cythereal posted:Yup, did just that. Was not enough. What's your army comp look like? Dwarves should not have too many problems with Orcs. Quarrelers melt pretty much anything other than Savage Orcs, and a strong front line of Dwarf Warriors can hold against anything other than maybe Black Orcs. Do you have lightning strike? You can strike off the WAAGH! and only fight 1 army. Can make things a lot easier. Just remember that Lightning Strike can only be used offensively.
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Mar 23, 2023 20:28
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I could see a chorf lord being thrown into the Spine of Sotek dwarves spot, or somewhere up in the North of Lustria, although that whole area is pretty crowded already.
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Mar 23, 2023 20:31
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Cardboard Fox posted:What's your army comp look like? Dwarves should not have too many problems with Orcs. Quarrelers melt pretty much anything other than Savage Orcs, and a strong front line of Dwarf Warriors can hold against anything other than maybe Black Orcs. My armies were built to a spec of two grudge throwers and then an even mix of warriors and quarrelers. Plus Thorgrim's starting master engineer. Thorgrim had lightning strike but he was off in the east hunting skaven.
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Mar 23, 2023 20:31
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I kind of suspect that they have figured out a way to have the chaos dwarf daemon engines pull the artillery mounted on cars because only the engines have been shown so far so my best guess is Zhatan is going to get an engine mount and that's why you will play him as opposed to the casters.
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Mar 23, 2023 20:33
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They really need to figure out a way to incorporate the realm of chaos battle maps into IE because those maps are beautiful and it's a complete waste of an enormous amount of talent and effort to have them siloed off into a campaign that nobody plays.
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Mar 23, 2023 20:37
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hail hashut
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DeadFatDuckFat posted:Can a dwarf only fall to chaos as basically a communal thing more or less? Or are there individual dwarfs in the lore that have ended up being corrupted on their own Tordrek Hackhart, one of the pirate captains in the Dreadfleet, was an engineer from Barak Varr who ended up falling to Chaos due to his jealousy, and then ended up throwing his lot in with the Chorfs after ending up making his way to one of their ports in his steam-powered mechanical kraken.
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Mar 23, 2023 20:41
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Cythereal posted:My armies were built to a spec of two grudge throwers and then an even mix of warriors and quarrelers. Plus Thorgrim's starting master engineer. Hmm, yeah that's pretty much my starting Thorgrim army as well. The only other recommendations I could give are pretty basic: -Use a hero to scout your enemy's area to make sure you know where they are at all times. If you are fighting Grimgor, you want to know where his main army attacks from. -Make sure you have your trade agreements going with Empire + all other Dwarves for the extra gold so you can field more armies. -Build walls in all your settlements (I think you mentioned you are already doing that). -Don't overextend past your territory. You want to paint the map in a way that has your allies covering you on your flanks. -Don't go to war with too many factions if you have a say in it.
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Kanos posted:They really need to figure out a way to incorporate the realm of chaos battle maps into IE because those maps are beautiful and it's a complete waste of an enormous amount of talent and effort to have them siloed off into a campaign that nobody plays. I think they should just have them in IE as single provinces dedicated to each of the gods
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Mar 23, 2023 22:59
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I like the idea of adding the rifts as an endgame crisis -- Have them pop open and start making GBS threads out armies until you can march into the realms and beat a superpowered daemon prince or something Would be slightly more in-depth all the current crises where it's just "spawn a bunch of stacks"
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Mar 23, 2023 23:05
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Some more Dawi tips, as I basically play nothing but in wh 1&2: -You can choose to ignore the skaven, they won't wardec you as they'll have their own issues to deal with. -Delaying the Badlands bowl to clear out the northern mountains is very profitable -Wh2 taught me 'walls in every settlement, no exceptions', but I think Silver Road is the rare exception in that you'll end up funding a second stack asap anyways, whose job is just to shoo away random idiots underway-ing in to raid (and giving grudges, so it needs to be stepped on asap) -As per above, once you capture a lovely settlement south of the Silver Road you can use them as ablative armour to stop Grimgog from piling into your capital. You don't have to defend or upgrade them, just own them as you're busy elsewhere. -There is almost no rush for the higher tech units, as orcs skaven and vampires are all unarmoured. Quarrelers 4lyfe! Having a full stack of quality low-teir units will pay off more than rushing a 10k cost building that does nothing useful. -Now that I'm typing it out, Miners with blasting charges probably have their one (campaign) niche here, as half-stack stocking stuffers.
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Mar 23, 2023 23:50
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Dwarfs are perfectly designed to fight all of their immediate enemies. They immediately fall apart the second they have to fight against anyone with AP cavalry though, unless they manage to shoot them down beforehand. I have yet to find a reason to ever bring a ballista. What a waste of a unit slot.
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Dwarfs fall down pretty hard when they have to fight High Elves but so does everyone so that's not too surprising.
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jokes posted:I have yet to find a reason to ever bring a ballista. What a waste of a unit slot. They're available very early and have a pretty great RoF, they're very good at sniping out enemy artillery (albeit a little short ranged to do it without counterfire) and pretty good in a siege, or at slinging bolts at anything big and 'orrible. They're basically a sort of higher RoF but less lethal version of the cannon. Not worth bringing I think if you have cannon but if you can't get cannon then a mix of grudge throwers and bolt throwers is great fire support for an army. E: re: dwarf strategy, if you're playing in the world's edge mountains the terrain is very important, there are several key settlements which will allow you to lock down the mountains quite thoroughly. You want to capture the world's edge archway and the silver pinnacle, the pinnacle is a major and should be walled to hell and back, the archway is a minor so probably needs a garrison, but those will block any ingress from the east unless the enemy underways in which they generally don't, they like to bash themselves against those outer regions to establish a contiguous territory, and some of the threats simply don't have the choice of underwaying. There are several other settlements that block key access points into the mountains and you want to secure and fortify as many as possible. Zhufbar should hold forever against the vampires although holding the rest of that province including the valuable bugman's brewery site is harder. A number of the settlements in the middle world's edge mountains also have been moved to cover passes as well so look for those. That's your key to holding territory. If you're fighting out in the badlands that's a lot harder because you don't have the mobility advantage granted by underway capability in the terrain that other factions can't move through, and particularly you will struggle against dangerous enemies that are good on open ground, like skarbrand. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 00:28 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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OwlFancier posted:They're available very early and have a pretty great RoF, they're very good at sniping out enemy artillery (albeit a little short ranged to do it without counterfire) and pretty good in a siege, or at slinging bolts at anything big and 'orrible. It's kind of funny to me to complain about AP cavalry and then poo poo-talk the bolt thrower, which is good at hitting cavalry, especially before you can get cannons.
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jokes posted:They immediately fall apart the second they have to fight against anyone with AP cavalry found your problem
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Ardent Communist posted:It's kind of funny to me to complain about AP cavalry and then poo poo-talk the bolt thrower, which is good at hitting cavalry, especially before you can get cannons. Yeah the thing about them is they don't have any area effect but they fire fast enough that they can still thin formations just by sheer weight of bolts, and they will generally severely gently caress up any models they actually hit, so they can whittle down elite infantry and do pretty well against cavalry too with the anti-large damage, although they might struggle to land hits reliably against looser formations and faster units. Still as you say, there's not much else you have access to early on that can deal with cavalry so the bolt thrower is one of the better options short of eating a charge to the face and then quarreling them to death. Bolt throwers are just like bigger quarrelers.
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Bolt throwers suffer from CA/TW's design space of everything being limited by slots and designed obsolescence. Being added in post-launch in the wrong spot on the tech tree, they really had no chance to shine.
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Eh, I would say they are good the same way cathay peasants are good. For where they are they provide an important capability that the army otherwise lacks. You're never going to deliberately field a peasant army but if you want to recruit a stack in the arse end of nowhere with minimal buildings, then they're good to have and can perform pretty well. They're very cheap too, very cost effective.
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Seeker rune bolt throwers are nutty for their price, sometimes I feel like they're better than cannons for focusing down SEMs/characters
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I admit I have generally found that seeker runes just make the bolts home in onto the floor in front of units so I don't use them. They seem to make them less accurate somehow. Which is weird because hellcannons certainly loving work, as do doom divers.
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By the time you're fighting AP cavalry as dwarfs, you have better tools than "cannon but not as good". For example, cannons. Or slayers. Still, AP cavalry is a real kick in the nuts if you haven't specifically brought the very specifically-built anti-large units that Dwarfs have. You can probably get by with thunderers though! I also just really don't see bolt throwers as sufficiently thinning cavalry though. I always just see them lose maybe 10 horses and then they're useless most of the fight, while grudge throwers are perfect in any situation. I might be using bolt throwers wrong I guess!!!! jokes fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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Mar 24, 2023 00:42
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There's a sort of sweet spot for them where they'll hit the mark every time and past that, even if the enemy is in range, the shot bugs out and lands too early. I find it happening a lot if I'm stacking range bonuses.
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With the cost cap mod, I am bringing ballistas. Pew pew pew.
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I never leave home without a fuckload of slayers.
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If you're fighting cavalry then bolt throwers are probably a very good choice as once they are tied down on a holding unit they can continue to shoot, as they have a higher arc and no splash damage.
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I go out of my way to ally dwarfs no matter who I'm playing specifically to get a couple batteries of organ guns. Never actually played the dwarfs themselves though. I like having magic and cavalry and a bunch of cannon fodder so I don't think they'll ever be the race for me
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Well I'm back at it with Thorgrim. Took my licks, regrouped, and am now in a fairly stable pattern of damage control playing whack-an-orc. Not exactly making any headway, but I've stabilized and things aren't getting worse so far. Wiping out three grudges with one turn of raiding helped a lot. Surely Grimgor will run out of armies to throw at me. Surely.
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Playing dwarfs is very much chilling with a beer setting your formation, then watching it play out. You do a lot of target priority and stuff, but you're not wheeling chargers around and stuff. I find dwarf battles to be really fun once the gunline is assembled and you can just blast the poo poo out of an enemy as they come in then pick the rest apart with rock hard defenders. The best dwarf battles for me are the ones where you barely move a unit and the enemy breaks their brain repeatedly charging into your line for no result. Very rewarding.
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I've been playing a Zhao Ming IE campaign with the warband upgrade mod. It's delightful; I can actually consistently adjust my caravans to have decent to good armies to make sure they proceed through yellow and red routes. Upgrading units in my main stacks is actually a secondary concern since you still have access to regular recruitment through buildings. I've just knocked out the Skaven, but Lokhir has taken over the whole riverlands and Miao never secured snake gate so Vilitch has three full stacks coming down from the Warpstone Desert. IE Cathay is a fun area to play; very fresh when you consider games 1 and 2 contained many, many playthroughs of the old world area and lustria.
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 - Shows up - Transfers a settlement - Refuses to elaborate - Surfs away on staff (the parrot is from the Legendary Characters mod) Kaiju Cage Match fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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I liked the RoC campaign - I managed to finish the Kislev one right after launch which was one of the more hard video game things I've done for a while Also very themically correct
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i am playing Repanse who is the best for these reasons she sounds mad as hell constantly she has a cool horse she has a big sword she runs right into the middle of a group of enemy units then yells KAPOW and blows half of them up also she's joan of arc who is extremely cool in conclusion brettonia is my favourite and repanse is my favourite brettonian Comrade Blyatlov fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Mar 24, 2023 |
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Mar 24, 2023 02:42
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Peep the page number, very Chaos
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So, played some Slaanesh. First, autoresolve loving hates basically everything Slaanesh has. Second, my armies are 100% marauders/chaos warriors and hellstriders with hero support for a good chunk of the game. The low recruitment slots AND poor replenishment AND longer recruitment times for high-tier units means i found myself getting ground down if i did anything other than 1-turn recruitment and pressing my advantage. Third, I just cannot find a good use for stuff like subjugation. I did manage to vassalize Eltharion and Tyrion so far, the first forcibly and the second to the seduction mechanic, but I have a hero swarm roaming through Morathi's lands trying to build up seduction points and all its really doing is pissing her off with hero agent relation maluses and chewing into my disciples. I'm maybe 25% of the way there so far and don't see it going any faster anytime soon. Maybe I need to declare on one of her enemies too.
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Mordja posted:Peep the page number, very Chaos HAIL CHAOS
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