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SettingSun posted:Isn't the metaverse just an MMO but with vr Dan had a good point (one of many) in his video. If you see "the metaverse" as a online space where you can do a lot of things you can do in real life like shop, socialise and entertain yourself we already have that. It's called the Internet. We shop in online stores, we socialise on chat/forum apps, we entertain ourselves with games and streaming media. And none of it requires a clunky virtual world where you can only be in one place at a time.
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Collateral Damage posted:VR isn't even a big part of it any more. As Cyrano said they're just trying to build the web but everything is monetised. The thing that gets me about metaverse projects is they're not just reinventing the wheel, they're reinventing a wheel that's been reinvented that exact same way multiple times. And it's always been rejected for the exact same reasons.
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Collateral Damage posted:VR isn't even a big part of it any more. As Cyrano said they're just trying to build the web but everything is monetised. Yuuuuup. Basically ask yourself what this offers that a browser window doesn't already. Right now I'm checking the news, posting this message to a community of people I socialize with, and buying some random poo poo on Amazon. In half an hour I'll go have a video call with work and then do another round of edits on a collaborative document. Literally all "the metaverse" adds to this is either a) maybe putting that in a bad 3d interface* and b) putting it all in a branded platform that I presumably have to pay to use, be it with cash or data harvesting. *The best part of that video is probably where he makes explicit that 3d VR is a loving terrible interface for doing the sort of mundane normal poo poo we do online all the time. No one wants to loving walk around a 3D Best Buy to order a video card, the current system is actually really useful. No one wants to sit in a virtual office to use a virtual screen to write emails when you can just do that with your computer right now. No one wants to go to a virtual help desk and - even assuming it's staffed - have a weird 3D avatar conversation with support about how you can't get into your account or whatever. That's literally just an unnecessary video layer on top of the mundane as gently caress phone call. VR makes sense in some applications. Most of those involve sitting alone and playing a video game. AR has some very real applications for industry, but it's none of this metaverse crap, it's basically having a HUD over your eyes in real life so you can see where the widgets go when tearing down a car engine or something. AR might become something in the future if the tech gets there. Having a hands-free HUD projected onto your glasses could be neat. But that's an augment for normal every day real life, not some Ready Player One alternate digital world bullshit.
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I'm assuming you've all seen that metaverse add where they talk about how in the future firefighters will use it to find people in a burning building and doctors will use it for diagnoses and kids will use it to have field trips with wooly mammoths? If not, here's a link: https://www.ispot.tv/ad/1wT9/meta-possibilities-with-the-metaverse The first two things are actual potential uses for AR - not VR, AR. The problem here is that there is zero loving reason why any of that has to or should be Facebook's offering. The firefighter example is really telling. They're not going to use some consumer grade product, it's going to have to be hardened to withstand all sorts of adverse conditions and the standards for reliability are going to be WAY higher. gently caress, it might not even be internet connected. But yeah, some kind of AR interface layered in with like. . . thermal cameras or something to help firefighters navigate unfamiliar buildings and locate bodies? That's a real thing that might be useful. Just, you know, it's not the loving Metaverse. That's just a sensor package and a new visual interface for doing work people already do now. Same with the doctor bit. As an aside, does this mean that a predator drone blowing up a wedding in Kabul while the operator scratches his balls in an air conditioned trailer outside Vegas is also the Metaverse? Same story with the doctor thing. There might be something there. I'm a lot more skeptical about it but I'll give a sliver of the benefit of the doubt. Again, though, the solution is going to be bespoke and not Zuck's Omni Corp. There are SO MANY REGULATIONS in anything medical, even if it's just diagnostic and you aren't getting into poo poo like rule surrounding things that go into people's bodies. Just HIPAA alone is going to be a giant headache and preclude any of this poo poo being tied into Facebook. Again, we have real world examples to point to. I can go onto my health care provider's webpage and go into a (terrible - oh god it sucks) online thing where I can view my records, send messages to the doctor I saw at my last appointment, request prescription refills, etc. It combines a bunch of aspects of email, chat programs, file sharing services, appointment management stuff (e.g. making dinner reservations), etc. But it's also behind fifteen of its own log ins and has zero connections to anything else out in the world because medical PII is a loving nightmare and is one of the very few areas with robust regulation surrounding how 3rd parties can use it. And that loving school bit. No, Zuck, kids aren't going to go on a "virtual field trip" to see wooly mammoths. That has all the educational value of the teacher pulling out the TV cart and throwing on a Discovery Channel video when they're too hung over to deal with teaching today. But here's the thing: even if we assume that this is 110% the way of the future for education, who the gently caress is paying for it? That video shows a class of like 30 kids all wearing $1500 headsets. Are you seriously expecting me to believe that a school is going to have almost $50k worth of headsets sitting around for one classroom to use? Maybe at some bougie as gently caress private school, but your typical public school? LMAO. The only loving way these ever make their way into main stream education is in the most dystopian way. Maybe some big brain "educational reformer" figures out that headsets are cheaper than paying for teachers, and we start giving one to kids so that they can plug in and have 100,000 people watching the same 3rd grade teacher at once. Hey, now the US only needs to employ 12 teachers total, one for each grade! In summary: LOL, LMAO, go gently caress yourself Zuck.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I'm assuming you've all seen that metaverse add where they talk about how in the future firefighters will use it to find people in a burning building and doctors will use it for diagnoses and kids will use it to have field trips with wooly mammoths? If not, here's a link: https://www.ispot.tv/ad/1wT9/meta-possibilities-with-the-metaverse They're also trying to get AR into the operating room too. Most of their examples are just bait for VC investors and none of it has seen real world use at volume.
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And other than for advertising what companies actually use facebook? Microsoft and Google already have plenty of services used by companies for actual work related things, facebooks lucky if the IT department haven't blocked it on all work computers so employees don't waste their day browsing it. I wonder if facebook is actually going to bother pouring money into any of the AR stuff that could actually be useful. With Zuck still in charge seems doubtful it still won't be just be wasted.
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Deptfordx posted:Lol, 'Ladies, are you being harassed online? Why not simply cast Mirror Image!' There is an older, more power spell some say. "Turn on your monitor"
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SettingSun posted:Isn't the metaverse just an MMO but with vr Second Life with worse performance, less interest and no furry porn, everything is somehow more monetized, but you can go to Walmart.
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Offler posted:It's also kind of weird that blocking a dude from harrasing is apparently out of the question, but tricking him into harrasing ai copies of his target is ok. Without competent moderators it is hard to moderate things. Folks will misuse whatever tools you give them. Like Meta (I think it was meta?) has a system to boot disruptive individuals: you press the this guy is a dickhead pls kick button, and then everyone else in the room gets to vote. At the comedy club 5 dickheads were using it to harass other users. Bully someone then kick them, when the vote comes up chances are your 5 dickheads will carry the vote. Would goons abuse the "vote to kick random pubbies as long as you outnumber them" button? Yes, of course. Would goons abuse the the ability to cast mirror image? Oh yeah. 5 gibbering goonlords (or  ) can become 25 with this one weird trick. We may never get Meta Safari because it's all just so boring, empty, and expensive.
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kirbysuperstar posted:With any luck we'll have the same two pictures next year but blockchain replaced by AI While AI is massively overblown this year, as a potential tool for procedural game asset creation, it's definitely got long term utility. Both in the shovelware production industry, and more judiciously in more refined edge cases like roguelikes.
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They're literally just trying to recreate what 80s sci-fi thought the internet would be.
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PurpleXVI posted:Second Life with worse performance, less interest and no furry porn, everything is somehow more monetized, but you can go to Walmart. If I can't go to virtual Walmart as my three donged wolf fursona what is the God damned point of life?
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Star Man posted:I haven't been keeping up--how did bitcoin jump back up to over $25,000? It's always worth keeping in mind that many (most? virtually all?) crypto exchanges are reporting bitcoin prices denominated in US dollars, but the trading activity behind those prices is actually happening with "dollar-backed" stablecoins rather than actual US dollars. Even Coinbase merged its USD and USDC order books a while back, I think. This distinction (between prices in USD, and prices in USD-lookalike stablecoins) will not seem very important, until some seemingly-random day when it will suddenly become the most important thing in the crypto world.
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PurpleXVI posted:Second Life with worse performance, less interest and no furry porn, everything is somehow more monetized, but you can go to Walmart. Well, you can pay walmart prices for walmart items, but you'll own them virtually! What an amazing deal!
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CFTC Charges Binance and Its Founder, Changpeng Zhao, with Willful Evasion of Federal Law and Operating an Illegal Digital Asset Derivatives Exchange
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Blotto_Otter posted:It's always worth keeping in mind that many (most? virtually all?) crypto exchanges are reporting bitcoin prices denominated in US dollars, but the trading activity behind those prices is actually happening with "dollar-backed" stablecoins rather than actual US dollars. Even Coinbase merged its USD and USDC order books a while back, I think. This distinction (between prices in USD, and prices in USD-lookalike stablecoins) will not seem very important, until some seemingly-random day when it will suddenly become the most important thing in the crypto world. You mean when we hit the “final depeg”?
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Talorat posted:You mean when we hit the “final depeg”? Nah, we'll never quit pegging.
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from crime.logcftc posted:104. Internally, Binance officers, employees, and agents have acknowledged that the Binance platform has facilitated potentially illegal activities. For example, in February 2019, after receiving information “regarding HAMAS transactions” on Binance, [Chief Compliance Officer] Lim explained to a colleague that terrorists usually send “small sums” as “large sums constitute money laundering.” Lim’s colleague replied: “can barely buy an AK47 with 600 bucks.” And with regard to certain Binance customers, including customers from Russia, Lim acknowledged in a February 2020 chat: “Like come on. They are here for crime.” Binance’s MLRO [Money Laundering Reporting Officer] agreed that “we see the bad, but we close 2 eyes.”
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drk posted:CFTC Charges Binance and Its Founder, Changpeng Zhao, with Willful Evasion of Federal Law and Operating an Illegal Digital Asset Derivatives Exchange molly white's thread of highlights is pretty good, this was my favorite part: https://twitter.com/web3isgreat/status/1640379218461589506 Talorat posted:You mean when we hit the “final depeg”? e: I also think it's worth being skeptical of the price in general, not just at the point when the stablecoins officially depeg. I don't think the price of bitcoin at any given point in time is complete bullshit, but it does contain great heaping quantities of bullshit. The efforts by all the exchanges to conflate stablecoin trading activity with actual dollar trades obscures exactly how little actual liquidity there is in the bitcoin market. A massive amount of crypto trading volume is either completely-bullshit wash trades, or kinda-bullshit trades for dollar-lookalike stablecoins - relatively little of it is actual trades of cryptos for real dollars, and it's hard to tell exactly how little of it is real trades in real dollars because of all the bullshit fake transactions and dollar-knockoffs that are deliberately obscuring things. Presumably it's gotten even worse as of late, as the mounting federal investigations into various exchanges and the failure of the only American banks that would service crypto orgs has made it even harder to get actual US dollars in or out of the crypto ecosystem. Blotto_Otter fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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New Folding Ideas is out around Decentraland and Metaverse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiZhdpLXZ8Q
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notwithoutmyanus posted:If you deliberately mispronounced it then it would sound like none. Which is what is an accurate measure of its substance. Sounds like a new subatomic particle. Gluon, muon, nuon, etc.
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Blotto_Otter posted:molly white's thread of highlights is pretty good, this was my favorite part: Guess what the response is from the crypto groups? "oh it's fud". Should be really interesting to see this pan out.
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PurpleXVI posted:Second Life with worse performance, less interest and no furry porn, everything is somehow more monetized, but you can go to Walmart. I haven't touched second life since 2009 when the college I was working for realized the "virtual SL campus" experiment was dumb and cancelled the project, but even second life from back then looks infinitely better than the screenshots I've seen of Decentraland
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Deki posted:I haven't touched second life since 2009 when the college I was working for realized the "virtual SL campus" experiment was dumb and cancelled the project, but even second life from back then looks infinitely better than the screenshots I've seen of Decentraland oh its even worse in motion
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Cyrano4747 posted:And that loving school bit. No, Zuck, kids aren't going to go on a "virtual field trip" to see wooly mammoths. That has all the educational value of the teacher pulling out the TV cart and throwing on a Discovery Channel video when they're too hung over to deal with teaching today. But here's the thing: even if we assume that this is 110% the way of the future for education, who the gently caress is paying for it? That video shows a class of like 30 kids all wearing $1500 headsets. Are you seriously expecting me to believe that a school is going to have almost $50k worth of headsets sitting around for one classroom to use? Maybe at some bougie as gently caress private school, but your typical public school? LMAO. VR in EdTech actually makes sense. Imagine learning French walking the streets of a virtual Paris. Or your physics teacher being able to safely load up a virtual demonstration of whatever concept you're learning. But yeah, no one can afford it with VR in its current state, so we're quite a ways off from that being an option.
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notwithoutmyanus posted:Guess what the response is from the crypto groups? "oh it's fud". i am most interested in the response from the district judge in the southern district of new york, currently deciding if they should let voyager sell itself to binance or block it pending appeal
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notwithoutmyanus posted:Guess what the response is from the crypto groups? "oh it's fud". I get the feeling that the huge price increase in BTC is largely because Binance knew this was coming and the people at the top were trying to get out for as much as possible. The CFTC documents say that CZ had access to over 300 "house" accounts and two personal accounts that were constantly trading between each other, which is the classic wash trading behavior that pretty much everyone watching the space has been saying was what kept the price propped up for long periods of time.
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Well no worries folks, binance response is here! let's handwave away everything with  ! https://www.binance.com/en/blog/from-cz/czs-response-to-the-cftc-complaint-2408916493005890282 reads like a musk admission of having hosed up, written by a lawyer.
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"While we are not perfect, we hold ourselves to a high standard, often higher than what existing regulations require." lol
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Mozi posted:"While we are not perfect, we hold ourselves to a high standard, often higher than what existing regulations require." “we have transcended beyond regulations”
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On vr and ar, I'm already using it in ship construction but it's a custom built offline solution using valve index,hololense, arkit and unreal engine that we made in house. The cost of even the proof of concept was out of the budget of most people and is too niche to have wide scale adoption.
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CommieGIR posted:New Folding Ideas is out around Decentraland and Metaverse: I'm in the middle of watching this, and I have to say, absolute Pro-click! The length put me off initially, but it's extremely well researched and written, and a joy to watch, as "selling" point after selling point of Decentraland/Metaverse bullshit spin is very effectively punctured. It goes into a lot of detail, but every detail is a  !
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Blotto_Otter posted:Presumably it's gotten even worse as of late, as the mounting federal investigations into various exchanges and the failure of the only American banks that would service crypto orgs has made it even harder to get actual US dollars in or out of the crypto ecosystem. From what I remember of Divabot's first Crypto book, back in the early days of Bitcoin, during a period where it was literally impossible to get USD out of the exchanges due to banks having blacklisted them all, crypto price in USD still "rose" because of all the just shuffling pogs around on the exchanges that still happened. It helped hammer home how little the official price of crypto has to do with reality. BigBadSteve posted:I'm in the middle of watching this, and I have to say, absolute Pro-click! The length put me off initially, but it's extremely well researched and written, and a joy to watch, as "selling" point after selling point of Decentraland/Metaverse bullshit spin is very effectively punctured. It goes into a lot of detail, but every detail is a Dan's videos are generally really great. Even if it's not a subject you're normally interested in, his easy listening cadence, good editing and occasional witty commentary makes it hard not to get sucked in.
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cagliostr0 posted:On vr and ar, I'm already using it in ship construction but it's a custom built offline solution using valve index,hololense, arkit and unreal engine that we made in house. The cost of even the proof of concept was out of the budget of most people and is too niche to have wide scale adoption. That sounds pretty dope honestly and a great way to get a feel of what you’re building Also Dan’s videos are pro-clicks
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Mozi posted:"While we are not perfect, we hold ourselves to a high standard, often higher than what existing regulations require." Mods, change my name to "Load-bearing 'often'" TIA
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cagliostr0 posted:On vr and ar, I'm already using it in ship construction but it's a custom built offline solution using valve index,hololense, arkit and unreal engine that we made in house. The cost of even the proof of concept was out of the budget of most people and is too niche to have wide scale adoption. It's a cool concept for sure. Teamcenter being a model based system and the proliferation of decently powered tablets really have opened up some options for high end engineering and construction. One of the places I worked was planning to eliminate paper work packages entirely in favor of electronic packages that would include a preview of the installed part so using the camera app you could point to the space where the install was going to take place and you'd see the parts as installed. It's also attractive because if you need to get some form of deviation approved someone from design or engineering can make the adjustment in the model and as soon as everyone approves it would be available for the yard instead of having to physically move papers around for signatures and send it down to the construction team. There's some other genuinely interesting AR and VR applications and ideas, but I think they have been few and far between in our world because crypto and now AI are competing with AR for engineers and funding and more people are looking for things more flashy and short term profitable.
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Lazyfire posted:It's a cool concept for sure. Teamcenter being a model based system and the proliferation of decently powered tablets really have opened up some options for high end engineering and construction. One of the places I worked was planning to eliminate paper work packages entirely in favor of electronic packages that would include a preview of the installed part so using the camera app you could point to the space where the install was going to take place and you'd see the parts as installed. It's also attractive because if you need to get some form of deviation approved someone from design or engineering can make the adjustment in the model and as soon as everyone approves it would be available for the yard instead of having to physically move papers around for signatures and send it down to the construction team. We are using arkit and photogrammetry to scale and orient the model to real space based on known points in the yard, then a SQL link between msproject and unreal engine to allow for 5d bim to provide a way for supervisors to compare current build progress to the schedule. You can then take the owners rep into the yard, put a hardhat with a hololense integration and let them walk around the build and see their build is on schedule in a way that feels far more 'real' than some Gantt charts and reports.
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