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Ershalim posted:Probably going to regret asking this, but what exactly are the people saying we spend too little on border security complaining about? Do they want more camps, or more murders at the border, or some other thing that isn't occurring to me? I assume the question reads as border security [from Mexico], but is there another angle to it? Like, are people buying into copaganda that fentanyl from China is giving them Super Havana Syndrome or something? It often really comes down to the idea that if anyone is crossing the border illegally then the border is underfunded. See Trump's dumbass wall for an example. There is always going to be a call for more security because they haven't learned the lesson that China learned when building their big wall, that you can't build it everywhere and it won't keep everyone out. VVV "Stochastic terrorism" isn't a real thing legally. It's a term used to describe what's going on but in terms of actual prosecution it doesn't exist and therefore isn't illegal. That's why they do it. CuddleCryptid fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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I don't know if or how this would work, but: Given the established pattern of stochastic terrorism ... And knowing the role sockpuppetry has played in manipulating populations... Suppose federal law enforcement wanted to examine the private correspondences (dms, etc) of shooters over the last several years and look for anonymous accounts that may have encouraged or directed violence... Would they find anything? How likely is it they looked? What kind of discovery might be conclusive? It's pure speculation on my part, and probably sounds a little conspiratorial, but I can't help but wonder.
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Mar 29, 2023 16:11
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Most of the shooters were already On The Radar. It's not a question of insufficient information, but of what action one does with that information.
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Mar 29, 2023 16:15
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Pittsburgh goon bere, currently dealing with this as my family and friends are freaking out and tracking down loved ones. Some are locked down in schools or being evacuated. https://www.wpxi.com/news/local/massive-police-response-central-catholic-oakland-catholic-high-schools/TUWTCLYKX5AGVJQ5LGJDWBWQBQ/
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cr0y posted:Pittsburgh goon bere, currently dealing with this as my family and friends are freaking out and tracking down loved ones. Some are locked down in schools or being evacuated. quote:State police said the threat is believed to be a “computer generated swatting calls.” God the future sucks.
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The FDA has approved Narcan (an anti-opiate overdose nasal spray) for sale over the counter. This is part of their review that was previously mentioned in this thread where they are analyzing several different drugs that are currently prescription only (such as Narcan, viagra, birth control, epi-pens, and statins) and making them available over the counter. The full review process is supposed to be done this fall. Narcan was controversial because some people were worried that it would encourage people to overconsume opiates because they wouldn't have to call the police or go to the hospital. But, the evidence pretty overwhelmingly shows that Narcan saves lives by being more available. https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1641061518161608708 quote:F.D.A. Approves Narcan for Over-the-Counter Sales
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cr0y posted:Pittsburgh goon bere, currently dealing with this as my family and friends are freaking out and tracking down loved ones. Some are locked down in schools or being evacuated. CuddleCryptid posted:State police said the threat is believed to be a “computer generated swatting calls.” Yeah, this bullshit happened yesterday at 28 schools in my area (Boston west metro). What a fun series of emergency texts to receive from my kids' middle school before the county got it figured out!
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This is so Handmaiden’s Tale that they should change the license plate motto from “Famous Potatoes” to “Blessed Be The Fruit.”
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Rogue AI Goddess posted:Most of the shooters were already On The Radar. It's not a question of insufficient information, but of what action one does with that information. Yep. Mass shooters are by any meaningful metric actively encouraged by all active American policy and law.
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It is well-settled law that states cannot regulate interstate travel so should be a fun series of court cases (until it reaches scotus, at least)
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VideoGameVet posted:This is so Handmaiden’s Tale that they should change the license plate motto from “Famous Potatoes” to “Blessed Be The Fruit.”
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I’m not sure why it wasn’t included but a zillion polls (here’s one) have shown that if military spending had been included, a majority would support increasing it. The public absolutely has paradoxical fiscal policy preferences. E: oh I was way behind, carry on
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koolkal posted:
People think we should spend less on foreign aid but also think we spend way way way more than we do on foreign aid.
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haveblue posted:It is well-settled law that states cannot regulate interstate travel so should be a fun series of court cases (until it reaches scotus, at least) Unfortunately, it seems to have been crafted to avoid that. It doesn't say you can't travel out of state. The crime is traveling within the state. It criminalizes obtaining an abortion-inducing drug for a minor, and recruiting, harboring or transporting a pregnant minor for purposes of obtaining an abortion within the state without consent of the parent or guardian. And because it only targets minors and pretends the issue is "parental consent", that gives a fig leaf of reasonability to it.
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the poll results aren't terribly surprising when you consider 1. people are constantly told the government is Spending Too Much! and needs to Tighten The Belt!, 2. people are also aware of how much poo poo in this country is crumbling and falling apart, and 3. americans are dumb as bricks as for "just raise taxes on the rich while lowering them for everyone else", 1. unfortunately the people you are advocating raising taxes on happen to control pretty much every piece of media in this country, and 2. a significant amount of people consider themselves temporarily-embarrassed millionaires and, well, if they raise rates on the rich, that might affect me too, maybe, possibly i mean we're dealing with a country that flatly doesn't even know how their own taxes work, partially by design but also partially because our education system is complete dog poo poo.
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FlamingLiberal posted:They may be the first, but they will be far from the last ‘Just hold the fetal detector against your abdomen and breathe normally, Miss. No need to get out of the car.’
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To add to "Americans are dumb as gently caress", I've been hearing "if I hit the next tax bracket, I'll make LESS money!" just about my whole life and that poo poo's absolutely by design. Why would you, a millionaire, ever lift a finger to correct the high school teacher (yes, that's one of the first times I heard this bullshit) that thinks she can't take a raise? Oh, also we won't rework the tax system to be painless and ignorable. How else would Intuit make money hand over fist?
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GlyphGryph posted:This is a lot less contradictory when you recognize that the fully expanded statement is "Cut taxes for me". They do. It's just that the party never seems to be able to counter right wing narratives. Every Democratic attempt to make tax rates more equitable gets twisted as "TAX INCREASES FOR EVERYONE."
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Decon posted:To add to "Americans are dumb as gently caress", I've been hearing "if I hit the next tax bracket, I'll make LESS money!" just about my whole life and that poo poo's absolutely by design. Why would you, a millionaire, ever lift a finger to correct the high school teacher (yes, that's one of the first times I heard this bullshit) that thinks she can't take a raise? my father was the same way and that's exactly what i was referencing. well, that and the turbotax labyrinth.
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Eric Cantonese posted:They do. It's just that the party never seems to be able to counter right wing narratives. Every Democratic attempt to make tax rates more equitable gets twisted as "TAX INCREASES FOR EVERYONE." That's where the distrust in government comes in very handy. The government is lying when they say they'll only raise taxes on X population, the government will have the camel's nose under the tent and if you let them raise taxes on X they'll think they can do it to EVERYONE, the government can't be trusted to tell me how much I owe I'm going to pay this accountant to make sure I'm not missing any deductions that would make my tax bill lower because why would the government ever tell me the truth'
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yes, but the original poll did ask about a lot more categories. They just didn't include them all in the tweet graphic. They are described and listed in the article underneath that was copy and pasted. It's worth noting that the demographics of this poll are somewhat skewed. It seemed suspicious practically at first glance, given that the "assistance to big cities" line looks a bit odd considering how much of the US population lives in urban areas. And sure enough, the sample had more people who lived in rural areas than it had people living in urban areas:  That's substantially overrepresenting rural voters, who make up roughly 14% of the population. Unsurprisingly, the poll also overrepresents "old people", "people who don't have college degrees", and "homeowners". I'm not sure how these line up with the general population, but their sample seems to lean conservative and wealthy too.   As for the overall numbers, it's worth noting that it's not "Americans think we spend too little on anything", it's "Democrats think we spend too little on some things and Republicans think we spend too little on other things". When they break it out by political affiliation, it gives a much different picture:  Republicans want to cut spending on childcare and science, and use those savings to increase spending on law enforcement and border security. Democrats want to cut spending on law enforcement and border security, and use those savings to increase spending on childcare and science.
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Jaxyon posted:People think we should spend less on foreign aid but also think we spend way way way more than we do on foreign aid. This is an important and generalizable point. When we measure what people believe about government spending, people get both the overall figures as well as the distribution of spending across categories wildly wrong with a mostly predictable partisan effect on how they're wrong. When you show people actual spending and ask them to make a consistent budget, some of that partisan effect goes away and some of it sharpens and preferences begin to look somewhat less contradictory. I basically think polling like this is useless. It's just a lovely way to reveal policy priorities. You're peering into a very murky mirror with tons of possible confounders. I'd love to see some robust polling asking people to rank these sorts of categories in order of most to least funding in an ideal world and compare it to both the order they think actual funding is in and the actual order actual funding is in. There's a similar effect where many laws are unpopular but the provisions contained in the law are popular (or vice versa), and another similar effect where many policies which are overwhelmingly popular aren't implemented by Congress with seemingly no consequences for Congress (and, again, vice versa with unpopular policies which aren't revoked).
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Ershalim posted:Probably going to regret asking this, but what exactly are the people saying we spend too little on border security complaining about? Do they want more camps, or more murders at the border, or some other thing that isn't occurring to me? I assume the question reads as border security [from Mexico], but is there another angle to it? Like, are people buying into copaganda that fentanyl from China is giving them Super Havana Syndrome or something? I think you're giving people too much credit. The second you start talking to most people--even most politics nerds--about multi million dollar budgets they're no longer thinking in terms of concrete proposals or allocating funds here vs there. All the answers are the product of gut checks without the slightest bit of sanity checking because most people just don't have the experience or knowledge to figure out what spending X million on Y even looks like. "Spend more on healthcare" means "the healthcare system sucks" and not much more. Wanting increased spending on border security may translate to "keep out foreigners" or "I'm really concerned with drug smuggling" but there's no way they have in mind a shortfall in spending and a plan that actually matches up to that shortfall. They don't even know enough about what ICE/CBP do to criticize what they're not doing. It's all feelings fumblingly dressed up as policy positions. Trying to translate this poo poo into policy preferences, let alone future voting patterns, is a fool's errand, imo. I'm extremely not excluding myself or goons in general, here. We're just not wired to extemporize on society-scale budget priorities. Edit: basically I agree with pork never goes bad
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Decon posted:To add to "Americans are dumb as gently caress", I've been hearing "if I hit the next tax bracket, I'll make LESS money!" just about my whole life and that poo poo's absolutely by design. Why would you, a millionaire, ever lift a finger to correct the high school teacher (yes, that's one of the first times I heard this bullshit) that thinks she can't take a raise? It feels very ironic for all the political weaponization there is against "freeloaders" and middle-men, there's companies like Intuit that have lobbied/politicked themselves into existence/continued existence.
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Ershalim posted:Probably going to regret asking this, but what exactly are the people saying we spend too little on border security complaining about? Do they want more camps, or more murders at the border, or some other thing that isn't occurring to me? I assume the question reads as border security [from Mexico], but is there another angle to it? Like, are people buying into copaganda that fentanyl from China is giving them Super Havana Syndrome or something? They saw a brown person speaking Spanish therefore the border is too porous. Most people don't have an actual clue on how government money is spent and what it is spent on. The foreign aid question most people think we spend money to help the poor in sick in other countries, not this is lethal aid going to Egypt, Israel, ect.
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Main Paineframe posted:Republicans want to cut spending on childcare and science, and use those savings to increase spending on law enforcement and border security. Democrats want to cut spending on law enforcement and border security, and use those savings to increase spending on childcare and science. Kind of--even for Democrats, though, science isn't exactly a high priority (and no one seems all that keen on space exploration)--although scientific research scrapes a 54% for Democrats, assistance to the poor, the environment, childcare, health care, education, medicare, social security, and infrastructure all rank higher. Seems to be more the old Republicans want to spend on security and cut social programs (except those for old people) and Democrats want to cut security and spend money on social programs. And some broad agreement on infrastructure and social security. Which, doesn't exactly seem like a startling finding.
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Main Paineframe posted:It's worth noting that the demographics of this poll are somewhat skewed. It seemed suspicious practically at first glance, given that the "assistance to big cities" line looks a bit odd considering how much of the US population lives in urban areas. These are all really interesting observations of potential distortions that make these polls even less useful than the low bar they might achieve if they were better sampled and reported. Another criticism is of the questions themselves - aid to big cities is a topic but not aid to rural regions, for example. But the fundamental point that the policy preferences of the American public line up neither with the actual budget nor with their particular party's platform* is a fairly robust conclusion at this point. *Obviously Republican voter priorities are closer to Republican party platform than the Democratic platform and vice versa, but the gap between voter policy preference in a given party and their party's platform remains wider than typical political reporting will make it seem. Look at polling support for universal background checks as an example - something like 80% of republican voters support this policy in the abstract.
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Mooseontheloose posted:They saw a brown person speaking Spanish therefore the border is too porous. Famously, in a 2010 survey Americans thought literally a quarter of the budget went to foreign aid. 
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Killer robot posted:Famously, in a 2010 survey Americans thought literally a quarter of the budget went to foreign aid. I knew that beliefs about spending and reality had a big gap, I've seen this particular result repeatedly, and it still boggles my loving mind. We are not built for this poo poo. We live on a planet where food literally grows on trees and we invented tax returns. You know credit scores were made the gently caress up in 1989? I'm loving older than that. Christ.
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Killer robot posted:Famously, in a 2010 survey Americans thought literally a quarter of the budget went to foreign aid. Imo a lot of this comes down to scale. "Yeah, we're spending 60 billion dollars on foreign aid this year. That's, what, 15% of the national budget?" "Our budget is six what? Trillion with a t?"
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Oxyclean posted:It feels very ironic for all the political weaponization there is against "freeloaders" and middle-men, there's companies like Intuit that have lobbied/politicked themselves into existence/continued existence.
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It's just one foreign aid, Michael, what could it possibly cost? $10?
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Yes, but the original poll did ask about a lot more categories. They just didn't include them all in the tweet graphic. They are described and listed in the article underneath that was copy and pasted. Crosstabs show belief that those who say government spends too much really mean government gives money to wrong kind of people.
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pork never goes bad posted:I knew that beliefs about spending and reality had a big gap, I've seen this particular result repeatedly, and it still boggles my loving mind. We are not built for this poo poo. We live on a planet where food literally grows on trees and we invented tax returns. You know credit scores were made the gently caress up in 1989? I'm loving older than that. Christ. To clarify this, "credit scores" were not made up in 1989, that's when the FICO model debuted. Before that, there were lots of other credit scoring tools and many banks used their own.
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Sub Par posted:To clarify this, "credit scores" were not made up in 1989, that's when the FICO model debuted. Before that, there were lots of other credit scoring tools and many banks used their own. Go back a little further than that and they just straight up decided not to give you credit because you were black or a single woman.
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Killer robot posted:Go back a little further than that and they just straight up decided not to give you credit because you were black or a single woman. I think maybe people forget that the loan approval process used to involve an old white dude giving you the Larry David squint in an interview room.
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True but perhaps misguided clarification on my emotional outburst. Being serious, though, we are not built for this. Not for credit scores, nor for credit.
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VideoGameVet posted:This is so Handmaiden’s Tale that they should change the license plate motto from “Famous Potatoes” to “Blessed Be The Fruit.” Maybe I'm misremembering, but I could swear the USSC said the states could restrict abortion, but couldn't restrict travel for abortion when they reversed Roe.
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VideoGameVet posted:This is so Handmaiden’s Tale that they should change the license plate motto from “Famous Potatoes” to “Blessed Be The Fruit.” I read the bill on this and it looks like there is a section that says something like, "Claiming this law violates your constitutional rights is not a defense against this law." Am I reading that right?
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VideoGameVet posted:This is so Handmaiden’s Tale that they should change the license plate motto from “Famous Potatoes” to “Blessed Be The Fruit.” if they pass this, the second they try to enforce it and oregon/washington/california refuses to extradite someone, it's a federal interstate commerce issue and at that point we'll see what level of cool zone we're in on the matter
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