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It'll be an incomplete mess. Jones' current attorney will plead to for either an extension or permission to withdraw from the case. A complete clownshow.
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Where's the option for tries to just turn in piles upon piles of useless crap, but accidentally includes some incredibly incriminated unasked for documents?
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If his lawyers were smart, they'd just run a magnet over the floppy disk and get a couple extra days cause the data was "corrupted" 
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Deptfordx posted:So what do we think? Turns in wrong documents but they are proof of fraud.
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Robviously posted:If his lawyers were smart, they'd just run a magnet over the floppy disk and get a couple extra days cause the data was "corrupted" They could just put it on a (series of) floppy-disk(s) and get a couple extra days while people find a computer that can read them.
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It's the court system, there will be some assistant to the court clerk who still uses the Pentium they got in FY 1996 (budgeting to get a computer without the FDIV bug got axed in FY 2001). But it has dual 5.25" and 3.5" floppy drives! (Realistically the local rules will demand it be submitted in a particular way in a particular format and if it doesn't the system will reject it and that's a problem for the party, not the court.)
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Mar 30, 2023 16:57
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Piell posted:Yep, those are the links/numbers for the bankruptcy hearings, I've listened to a couple of them and they don't change You're right. I was wrong about the hearing. Today is the deadline for him to file accurate and true personal financial disclosures.
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Mar 30, 2023 17:06
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Documents going to just be covered in chili
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Mar 30, 2023 17:12
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Alex shows up drunk, sorry your honor my dog ate it I appreciate the author had to stream of conciousness this at this point. loving incredible.
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Mar 30, 2023 17:12
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submits just a chili recipe but with one of those big rambling preambles. then when you finally get to the recipe it just says to go to the store and "glam up" some hormel with fritos.
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Mar 30, 2023 17:14
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It'll be a word salad that made perfect sense at 5am.
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InsertPotPun posted:submits just a chili recipe but with one of those big rambling preambles. Imagining Alex try and follow a chili recipe that results in something edible gets a hearty lol out of me.
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InsertPotPun posted:submits just a chili recipe but with one of those big rambling preambles. And a single shot of hot sauce
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Mar 30, 2023 17:24
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Alex has filed .... a motion to file his documents in a redacted version and under seal
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Mar 30, 2023 18:16
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 gently caress youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. (The redactions are supposedly addresses but gently caress you for trying to avoid getting doxxed when you're in this situation because of your own doxxing the Sandy Hook parents, you piece of poo poo.)
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Piell posted:Alex has filed .... a motion to file his documents in a redacted version and under seal  Aside from the "big meanie courts have never let us defend ourselves" and other similar nonsense, the fact that he's insisting that he needs to hide his information to protect his family, in a bankruptcy caused by causing incredible grief to other people's families, is just incredible.
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Mar 30, 2023 18:30
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Well this seems like some real stupid poo poo
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Mar 30, 2023 18:31
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It's the address of some of his properties, presumably ones he has for himself personally and probably one for his ex and kids which he maintains; there are three of them in the attached schedule. The rest of the info won't be under seal. The chutzpah of claiming this is breathtaking but that would require the smallest iota of self-awareness that I'm sure Jones does not possess.
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Volmarias posted:
Please tell me the judge invoked the "Karmic retribution" clause and told Alex Jones that his information will be released to the extent that he released the plaintiff's information.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Alex shows up drunk, sorry your honor my dog ate it Burping up little bits of paper every so often
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I know there are a lot of questions about the next bankruptcy court date but it looks like all we're getting is a scheduling conference tomorrow. https://www.txs.uscourts.gov/page/honorable-christopher-m-lopez-1st-week-tue-hearings-calendar
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How much time are they going to need to discuss the results of discovery?: a) an hour b) a day c) a week d) several weeks e) what results?
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Xiahou Dun posted:They could just put it on a (series of) floppy-disk(s) and get a couple extra days while people find a computer that can read them. If only you knew how many legal offices are operating on extraordinarily antiquated equipment because of The Budget or because a load-bearing piece of software only runs on OS/2 Warp or something. Pardon me, time to have some litigation support PTSD flashbacks.
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Borscht posted:I know there are a lot of questions about the next bankruptcy court date but it looks like all we're getting is a scheduling conference tomorrow. Here's the RECAP docket if your PACER budget doesn't have an allowance for rubbernecking.
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RocketMermaid posted:If only you knew how many legal offices are operating on extraordinarily antiquated equipment because of The Budget or because a load-bearing piece of software only runs on OS/2 Warp or something. Sometimes it's a load bearing piece of hardware called a "Senior Associate" or "Partner"  (I joke and yet I do not)
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Alkydere posted:Sometimes it's a load bearing piece of hardware called a "Senior Associate" or "Partner" Oh, I know the feeling. It belongs more in the "Dumb poo poo your job does" thread, but I once worked under an IT guy who refused to give document review more hard drive space when we were down to single-digit megabytes even after all the closed cases had been archived, and the partners loved him for how much money he saved regardless of how much it hurt our actual paralegals doing document review.
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goatface posted:How much time are they going to need to discuss the results of discovery?: Lots of interesting things listed, among other things, he's claiming a ragdoll cat worth $200 but wanting to keep it as exempt property.
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jones has one life insurance on himself for his ex-wife at $375,000 and lists his expenditures as $77,374.00 a month. a second life insurance company "Multiple requests for information made to insurance company for beneficiary information; no result as of the date hereof." and an "administrative error" caused his house to be put in his wife's name "Currently deed records show 100% in wife’s name due to administrative error but wife’s attorney is working to correct error." honestly what the gently caress? this looks like jones just runs around stuffing money places and then forgetting about it
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InsertPotPun posted:honestly what the gently caress? this looks like jones just runs around stuffing money places and then forgetting about it Meth-addled squirrel.
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Is that whole life insurance and the cash value is $375k? Term insurance and the value to the bankruptcy estate is zero since the beneficiary is not the estate and Jones isn't dead anyway? Who the gently caress knows! The easy stuff is the guns and the cat and his fridge, those are chattel that have a value you can eyeball. The not so easy stuff are all the business entities that mysteriously have no or indeterminate value. Or the non-tangible assets like a checking account. Is Mr. Jones really really sure that's all his cash accounts?
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kw0134 posted:Is that whole life insurance and the cash value is $375k? Term insurance and the value to the bankruptcy estate is zero since the beneficiary is not the estate and Jones isn't dead anyway? Who the gently caress knows! The easy stuff is the guns and the cat and his fridge, those are chattel that have a value you can eyeball. The not so easy stuff are all the business entities that mysteriously have no or indeterminate value. Or the non-tangible assets like a checking account. Is Mr. Jones really really sure that's all his cash accounts? What happens if he lies that would be in any way different from what's actually going to happen where everyone just assumes he's lying?
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I would say “how would you prove he was lying and not stupid and disorganized” but there might be texts or emails where he mentions the accounts and his intention to pretend he forgot them
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Bankruptcy courts are used to petitioners who are disorganized, liars, disorganized liars, fraudulently disorganized, lying frauds who are disorganized. The typical worst thing that can happen is that he's yeeted out of the system without a discharge, but he's not getting one for the biggest creditors anyway. Like if he has a signed memorandum explaining how he's gonna defraud everyone in the court then yeah, the court might be pissed enough to actually make that referral for a prosecution to the local AUSA. But otherwise it's gonna be a bunch of sanctions and everyone invited to the hearing where the judge screams at counsel for a few hours. The real goal is to make Jones cough up all his assets. If it's incredibly egregious then we can actually see contempt if he keeps "forgetting" where he mislaid a few million, but otherwise it means the US Trustee works overtime. The problem is if he actually has forgotten assets and it's not written down. If he has a bitcoin wallet and forgot the private key then that'll be something.
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drat do they really take your pets in bankruptcy good thing my dog is a little mutt piece of poo poo that nobody loves but me
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kw0134 posted:Bankruptcy courts are used to petitioners who are disorganized, liars, disorganized liars, fraudulently disorganized, lying frauds who are disorganized. The typical worst thing that can happen is that he's yeeted out of the system without a discharge, but he's not getting one for the biggest creditors anyway. Like if he has a signed memorandum explaining how he's gonna defraud everyone in the court then yeah, the court might be pissed enough to actually make that referral for a prosecution to the local AUSA. But otherwise it's gonna be a bunch of sanctions and everyone invited to the hearing where the judge screams at counsel for a few hours. After it's all settled, what if he just finds 40 million in a company he didn't disclose?
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Anything of value is supposed to be listed. If the cat was a pure bred ocicat that sells for like 10k or something then maaaaaaaybe? But in reality no one wants a "Checkers" speech in the court.Borscht posted:After it's all settled, what if he just finds 40 million in a company he didn't disclose?
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Borscht posted:After it's all settled, what if he just finds 40 million in a company he didn't disclose? If anyone finds out, the debt collectors will be happy to take that off his hands. And the court's already found enough money that the plaintiffs could afford to pay someone to spend the entire rest of their life doing nothing but monitoring Jones' finances and lifestyle for any hint that he's got access to more money than he should.
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Main Paineframe posted:If anyone finds out, the debt collectors will be happy to take that off his hands. And the court's already found enough money that the plaintiffs could afford to pay someone to spend the entire rest of their life doing nothing but monitoring Jones' finances and lifestyle for any hint that he's got access to more money than he should. gently caress I kind of want that job.
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Borscht posted:After it's all settled, what if he just finds 40 million in a company he didn't disclose? What if the judge is just Owen in a cheap wig?  Seriously, bankruptcy court has been around a long time, Alex Jones isn't competent enough to think of anything they haven't seen a thousand times before.
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