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Good thing you’ll be able to install SteamOS on it.
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Apr 3, 2023 17:59
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Yeah I understand WHY they're putting Windows on it (they are not a software company and Windows runs everything it needs to run) but even just from a pure UI perspective it's a bad idea
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Apr 3, 2023 18:00
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PageMaster posted:How does fallen order work on deck? Does the EA stuff screw it up and prevent it from working? I'm wondering if survivor is going to be playable or not. I'm sure Jedi Survivor is going to have some fuckery that EA will throw in to their client just to rustle everyone's jimmies, but there'll be a workaround shortly thereafter.
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Apr 3, 2023 18:00
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jokes posted:Oh well, maybe it'll prompt Valve to compete harder in some way? Why? They’re already on record on simply making SteamOS avaiable for other hardware and just raking in the money of funneling more people to using/purchasing games on Steam.
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Apr 3, 2023 18:00
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TwoDice posted:120hz is sick for simple games though? what's the downside here other than a tiny additional cost on a device that already costs a hojillion dollars Batteries in general haven't kept up with power draw for electronic items
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Apr 3, 2023 18:01
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Yeah the Steam Deck is obviously on the verge of being a loss-leader, and that'd be apparent from the state of the competition even if Valve hadn't implied so themselves
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Apr 3, 2023 18:02
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Macichne Leainig posted:I don't even know what the Asus target market is. Like yeah there's plenty of people with more money than sense, but either you already know about the Steam Deck and have considered it, or you're technically apt enough to know that just throwing a bunch of specs into a handheld and saying "good luck" is not addressing any of the problems with the form factor
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Apr 3, 2023 18:05
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I feel like devices that aren't the Deck are going to focus on game streaming because it lets them say "60fps! 8 hours battery life!" or whatever, whereas the Deck seems to be more about actually running games. I think the main draw of the Deck is that it's cheap, it runs the games you already own via an extremely console-like experience, and somehow sufficiently runs big titles without needing to use Windows. Other manufacturers are going to fail at all of those points which is going to make Valve's dream of manufacturers building for SteamOS less and less likely.
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Apr 3, 2023 18:07
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homeless snail posted:Its the same segment as the Ayas and GPDs, things that on paper are a bit higher end and have higher end prices, but in reality aren't all that practical. There's definitely a person that its for but it sure isnt me I am begging those people to please buy one of the hundred 3060-equipped gaming laptops instead
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Apr 3, 2023 18:07
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drLZxyv79Oo No touchpads no care. I can't imagine having a pc handheld without them.
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Apr 3, 2023 18:11
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The touchscreen experience on Windows, still, loving sucks. I can't imagine dealing with it on a much smaller screen.
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Apr 3, 2023 18:17
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Yeah, I'm 1000% happy with my SteamDeck and the only thing I'd need from it ever would be just better specs and longer battery life. And I'm talking like the SteamDeck 2 or whatever; for now, the one I have is perfect, but let's not pretend it'll run, I don't know, GTA6 at 60fps when that's released. I desperately want and hope to be wrong, of course. Anyway, I don't think you could pay me to bother with another handheld like it, except "this time, windows!". No thanks.
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Apr 3, 2023 18:25
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tbh I think "run the latest AAA title at 60fps on a handheld with zero compromises" may just be a completely unrealistic expectation anyway, which is arguably why high spec toys like this haven't really succeeded before. Valve understood they were making compromises on the hardware in the same way that Nintendo understood what they were doing with the specs on the Switch.
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Apr 3, 2023 18:28
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I mean to be fair Nintendo made a ton more compromises than that
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Paradoxish posted:tbh I think "run the latest AAA title at 60fps on a handheld with zero compromises" may just be a completely unrealistic expectation anyway, which is arguably why high spec toys like this haven't really succeeded before. Valve understood they were making compromises on the hardware in the same way that Nintendo understood what they were doing with the specs on the Switch. Yeah, that's fair. Perhaps "a solid 30fps" is a better argument point, because there will come a time (and some games are already there) where rock solid 30 isn't quite attainable. It's mostly AAA stuff from what I hear, so if you're into indies or major games from the past, you're all set, and I don't say that sarcastically; it's beautiful.
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GreenBuckanneer posted:Batteries in general haven't kept up with power draw for electronic items you don't have to run it at 120hz constantly I'm happy to run dead cells at 120hz and Warhammer at 40hz
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I'm about a week+ into my SD experience and it's a nice bit of kit but I haven't find many games I love playing on it yet. I am holding off on installing a few bigger ones like Ace Combat 7 until my new SSD gets here though. I have a 64GB + 128GB microSD in there now. Currently the go to game is Dead Cells, which owns. Ones I have tried but didn't love: - Oxygen not included (text too small) - Heat Signature (text too small) - Hotline Miami 2 (I find it almost uncontrollable, this is a me problem) Games that are pretty good: - Steamworld Dig 2 - Stardew valley (except I keep accidentally pickaxing stuff) - Broforce - Mark of the Ninja (cept it's hard!) - Terraria My steam library is pretty massive though so there's probably a few gems in there I haven't tried yet.
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Apr 3, 2023 18:32
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TwoDice posted:you don't have to run it at 120hz constantly It's still gonna tank your battery life even in 2D games. It'll be smooth but you'll pay for it with an hour long battery runtime
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Apr 3, 2023 18:34
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High refresh rate on a handheld is such a waste of energy. Crank it to 70 - 80 - 90 and you'll be seeing dimnishing returns. 100-200 Hz screens are for people who drink energy drinks and play competetive first person shooters. I love my 144Hz screen but since I've stopped playing Overwatch I'm capping my framerates at 60 - 90 just so the PC can run quiet.
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Macichne Leainig posted:I don't even know what the Asus target market is. Like yeah there's plenty of people with more money than sense, but either you already know about the Steam Deck and have considered it, or you're technically apt enough to know that just throwing a bunch of specs into a handheld and saying "good luck" is not addressing any of the problems with the form factor Dude, it has sick RGB on the back, where you will never see it! Self proclaimed capital g Gamers are gonna be all over this.
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Why are so many gaming products stuffed with rgb leds? I don’t know why my half keyboard needs to be so flashy Also: RandolphCarter posted:Anyone playing RE4 remake on the deck find it janky to aim with the rifles? Or is my right stick dying?
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Apr 3, 2023 18:56
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TwoDice posted:you don't have to run it at 120hz constantly Dead Cells at 120hz will almost certainly annihilate the battery. It's not about whether you're running AAA titles or not. Part of the issue (and it's a problem for phones too!) is that the games you'll probably want to play at a high refresh rate, stuff like short session 2D games, are the games you're most likely to be playing without power.
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RandolphCarter posted:Why are so many gaming products stuffed with rgb leds? I don’t know why my half keyboard needs to be so flashy People keep buying it I guess. How else will you know the portable device with a built in controller on each side is for gaming?
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jokes posted:Oh well, maybe it'll prompt Valve to compete harder in some way? Rushing out a Steam Deck 2 is the last thing I want. They should definitely release an updated SKU eventually, but it's too soon for that right now.
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This is simply the phase of hardware where there’s a rush to get competing products out there without understanding what fundamentally makes the Steam Deck popular. The Deck has, like, 5 or 6 really compelling “perfect storm” elements to it that competitors are either unlikely to or straight up can’t replicate.
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Paradoxish posted:Dead Cells at 120hz will almost certainly annihilate the battery. It's not about whether you're running AAA titles or not. Part of the issue (and it's a problem for phones too!) is that the games you'll probably want to play at a high refresh rate, stuff like short session 2D games, are the games you're most likely to be playing without power. Maybe it will! you get 6-7hrs right now at 60hz and if that was cut down to 3-4 I'd absolutely do it for most of my usage. If you have a 7 hour flight and don't want to you can crank down the display. Having the option to go hard and get best graphics when plugged into the plane outlet and conserve battery at reduced fps when there isn't one is one of the things that makes these devices so much nicer than a switch.
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Friendly goon I get your point but you are not getting 3-4 hours of battery life at 120hz on a Windows-based gaming handheld, plain and simple. I don't think just installing SteamOS is going to fix it either
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Also the device looks smaller than the deck which makes me think it has similar or even smaller battery dimensions.
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priznat posted:My steam library is pretty massive though so there's probably a few gems in there I haven't tried yet. If you haven't played it yet and don't mind an open world collect-a-thon by the studio that made the Just Cause games, Mad Max is great and runs really well on the deck on Very High settings. Plus you get to cruise the wasteland in the meanest firesnorting V8 monster.
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lmao, Linus says it has 35W TDP. This thing is gonna have like 45 minutes battery life.
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Mad Max has no rumble when you’re driving off-road so feels cheap and wrong on a controller and I cannot get past that to enjoy it on any level
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homeless snail posted:lmao, Linus says it has 35W TDP. This thing is gonna have like 45 minutes battery life. Lol it's gonna be a handheld that has to stay plugged in I guess. Still, I hope it inspires eGPU support for the Deck. I have an eGPU I'd very much like to use with my Deck!!!!!!!!!!
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Harminoff posted:No touchpads no care. I can't imagine having a pc handheld without them. I do hope they add a rumble to a sequel though 
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Oh well I guess it haptically vibrates the touchpads, which isn't the same. Fascinating. Explains why it feels weak, at least.
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i dropped my Deck and the backplate almost came off. Very concerned it was going to snap the SD card but thankfully it didn't
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This is the part where I admit I forgot to take my SD card out twice when messing with my back plate and it did *not* snap in half. 
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Macichne Leainig posted:Friendly goon I get your point but you are not getting 3-4 hours of battery life at 120hz on a Windows-based gaming handheld, plain and simple. Yeah windows is a huge downside but if there was a proper steam deck with a 120hz OLED I'd buy it immediately.
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Just an OLED for me, I always run my games at the lowest possible TDP and a 120Hz screen would just gobble up my battery life. Though I would like the option. Ideally the next version, if there even is one, is just: better screen, better thumbsticks, better processor/battery.
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I had oled on the vita and I just don't see it being a big deal like others say it is. Screen looks fine as is
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