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mcvey posted:Tears streaming VODing my face Ftfy
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Sucks that the one game in like 5 years that I really want to play might not come out. I literally don't give a poo poo about anything else. Since the playtest ended, everything else seems really boring. Give me my game-drugs!!!!!
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Oh, since I never really looked into it, P3 wasn't actually being developed by Nexon itself, but a subsidiary called Mintrocket. If you've ever heard of Dave The Diver, that's Mintrocket. It's a small studio that Nexon established/acquired to make games like P3 and Dave The Diver. Mr. A's mutiny took roughly 20 people from Mintrocket, which at the time consisted of 30 people. So they might not have anyone to just replace the lost devs so easily. The competitor I mentioned turned out to be called HYBE, not HIVE, sorry. Translation is hard. They are one of the big S. Korean entertainment corps, and they have been looking to break into the gaming industry. The issue was that Ironmace was going to be... revealed? 'Acquired'? As a part of HYBE subsidary 'HYBE IM', which I misunderstood earlier. HYBE IM already exists, as a note, and has been funding IM. IM has presented itself as a small indie studio with little money and hopelessly threatened by the massive Nexon, which had gained them much sympathy and love in S. Korea (and here in America), but when it came out that they were actually apart of HYBE which is seen as like if uh.. Toby Fox kept talking how small and indie he was and how little money he had. And then it was discovered that he actually worked for Warner Bros or Sony and was being funded by them and had been using the stories of being broke indie dev to get extra sympathy money and sales. Needless to say, the S. Korean community hates Ironmace now. EDIT: Also I did a little research into Blind, where the Nexon employee account came from. You have to actually provide your company email and use it to verify yourself before you can post on it, and it lists your company with your post as verified. So it is not truly anonymous, and is why people use it to leak info because there is actually an amount of confidence that it isn't random people talking poo poo. Kchama fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Apr 1, 2023 |
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Apr 1, 2023 21:38
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Kchama posted:Oh, since I never really looked into it, P3 wasn't actually being developed by Nexon itself, but a subsidiary called Mintrocket. If you've ever heard of Dave The Diver, that's Mintrocket. It's a small studio that Nexon established/acquired to make games like P3 and Dave The Diver. Mr. A's mutiny took roughly 20 people from Mintrocket, which at the time consisted of 30 people. So they might not have anyone to just replace the lost devs so easily. That seems a bit of an odd way to verify people, given that an email sent via company email can almost certainly be traced back by that same company. Wouldn't that mean that the company is okay with someone speaking anonymously on their behalf, or else they would get fired?
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Apr 1, 2023 22:22
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Sailor Dave posted:That seems a bit of an odd way to verify people, given that an email sent via company email can almost certainly be traced back by that same company. Wouldn't that mean that the company is okay with someone speaking anonymously on their behalf, or else they would get fired? Yeah, I don’t know. It might just be set up as a company-approved way of speaking out.
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Apr 1, 2023 22:30
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What a loving rollercoaster lol Well I’m sure there’s about a dozen devs working on their own D&D clones now, so I’m sure we’ll get something eventually
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Apr 1, 2023 22:32
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just to reiterate, there is nothing wrong with employees banding together and quitting an employer to form their own company even if losing employees fucks over that company
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Apr 1, 2023 22:35
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comedyblissoption posted:just to reiterate, there is nothing wrong with employees banding together and quitting an employer to form their own company even if losing employees fucks over that company But it does mean that they couldn’t just reallocate devs to replace the ones Mr. A took with him, and would result on the game being cancelled. And morality has nothing to do with legality. What’s moral isn’t necessary legal, nor vice-versa.
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Apr 1, 2023 22:41
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that's not true at all. if nexon was invested in the project, they could divert labor or resources to backfill the project, assuming the assets were not maliciously destroyed in the departure. i understand the way corporate bureaucracies can be designed to make this impossible, but it's perhaps this very corporate inflexibility and environment that caused the project to not be able to continue which caused the employees to revolt in the first place!
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Apr 1, 2023 22:44
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Goons, let's just remake the game in Roblox.
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Apr 1, 2023 22:48
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we also don't know the specific politics on the previously cancelled project. perhaps they felt they had a banger, were overruled on working on it, and so they basically worked a huge amount of time on something and were told all the time they spent on it was wasted. it's reasonable to speculate the employees were fed up on being managed from nexon and were terrified they could face another cancellation.
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Apr 1, 2023 22:50
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comedyblissoption posted:that's not true at all. Mintrocket is not Nexon though. I assume that even if, for example, 20 people quit IM to join Steelrod, that D&D would be cancelled no matter how many people bankrolled them, because that would cripple the studio and take a long time to recover from.
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Apr 1, 2023 22:51
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VulgarandStupid posted:Goons, let's just remake the game in Roblox. Was never really a fan of exploiting child labor.
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Apr 2, 2023 03:27
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I just want to give my money to someone to play this amazing game
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Apr 2, 2023 05:43
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Demon Of The Fall posted:I just want to give my money to someone to play this amazing game This. I don't care legally whose idea it is for a dungeon royale or who modeled the knight's helmet or developed shrinking aetheric circle in cubical cathedrals, genuinely. I wish the big corps acknowledged that was our stance. Nexon or Nixon or whoever will not ever win this fight in the court of public opinion, and that matters more but corporations are corporations so they don't give a squart. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Apr 2, 2023 |
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Apr 2, 2023 06:10
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CJacobs posted:This. I don't care legally whose idea it is for a dungeon royale or who modeled the knight's helmet or developed shrinking aetheric circle in cubical cathedrals, genuinely. I wish the big corps acknowledged that was our stance. Nexon or Nixon or whoever will not ever win this fight in the court of public opinion, and that matters more but corporations are corporations so they don't give a squart. I doubt Nexon gives a single flying gently caress about any other knockoff, since there's a bunch of them already and Nexon hasn't ever made a peep about them. The whole deal with Ironmace is because Ironmace hosed over Mintrocket.
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Apr 2, 2023 07:09
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Sailor Dave posted:That seems a bit of an odd way to verify people, given that an email sent via company email can almost certainly be traced back by that same company. Wouldn't that mean that the company is okay with someone speaking anonymously on their behalf, or else they would get fired? Well the verification email isn't exactly proof that you're talking poo poo on Blind. It doesn't even have your username or name anywhere on it, just a code you input on the app to verify. tbh one could probably deny using it and claim it was some spam/phish mail targeted at them. There's no identifying information on it.
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Apr 2, 2023 07:43
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Kchama posted:Toby Fox kept talking how small and indie he was and how little money he had. And then it was discovered that he actually worked for Warner Bros or Sony and was being funded by them and had been using the stories of being broke indie dev to get extra sympathy money and sales. What.
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Apr 2, 2023 13:17
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Kchama posted:Toby Fox kept talking how small and indie he was and how little money he had. And then it was discovered that he actually worked for Warner Bros or Sony and was being funded by them and had been using the stories of being broke indie dev to get extra sympathy money and sales. Needless to say, the S. Korean community hates Ironmace now.
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Apr 2, 2023 14:10
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No Wave posted:Are you saying, "imagine if" toby fox did that? He doesn't exactly hide that undertale made him a pile of money and he would have to do an awful lot to get people to not like him so it's a hard situation to imagine. Groovelord Neato posted:What. It was a comparison, yes. Since uh, there's not exactly many indie game makers who made it super huge like Toby Fox. So it'd be very scandalous to learn that he was effectively Secretly A Corporate Stooge and not someone who got their fame and money the way he did. That's why Ironmace has lost so hard in the court of public opinion in Korea. Ironmace is seen as the ultimate sell-out/fakes.
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Apr 2, 2023 17:04
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Oh the way you wrote it was like that's what actually happened with him and I thought I missed some big story.
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Apr 2, 2023 17:24
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Groovelord Neato posted:Oh the way you wrote it was like that's what actually happened with him and I thought I missed some big story. Sorry for being unclear then.
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Apr 2, 2023 18:09
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And did Koreans really think IRONMACE was just a scrappy indie startup? The game itself could be made by a few people since the assets are pretty much all purchased but you can't support playtests the size they did without charging unless you got some real money backing you.
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Apr 3, 2023 14:46
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Groovelord Neato posted:And did Koreans really think IRONMACE was just a scrappy indie startup? The game itself could be made by a few people since the assets are pretty much all purchased but you can't support playtests the size they did without charging unless you got some real money backing you. It’s how they present themselves as. Hell, a lot of Americans think they’re that. They put out an “About Us” with their “Case Against Nexon” and it stuff about how their members are sleeping in a jiujitsu dojo without pay because they can’t afford an office. They’re described as an “indie startup”, self-described and in many articles. So even if Koreans didn’t believe it from the start, it’s how they want people to view them. And when it became clear that they were lying about being an indie game studio and in fact had very serious backing, the Korean community turned on them. Kchama fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Apr 3, 2023 |
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Apr 3, 2023 16:24
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Oh I know it's how they presented themselves but you gotta know a small indie group wouldn't be able to support hosting the number of players and matches they did once the game blew up.
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Apr 3, 2023 16:34
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Kchama posted:It’s how they present themselves as. Hell, a lot of Americans think they’re that. They put out an “About Us” with their “Case Against Nexon” and it stuff about how their members are sleeping in a jiujitsu dojo without pay because they can’t afford an office. They’re described as an “indie startup”, self-described and in many articles.
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Apr 3, 2023 16:47
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I think they ended up getting like 1.5m from investors and that's been kind of running things so far. Then their plan was to EA in April, sell 100k copies at $10-$20 and that would carry them through. Nexon basically hit em with this at the exact perfect time to force them into needing some more money just to pay legal fees. IRONMACE is probably dead rear end broke right now.
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Apr 3, 2023 18:06
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No Wave posted:I mean both of these things can be true. They can have funding from a billionaire while still struggling to make ends meet and taking poo poo pay. If they reinvest all the money into the company I dont understand why anyone would be mad. I guess SK is as dumb as the US. Yes, but they were using it to present themselves as a group who were not being funded by a billionaire. Both of those things can be true, but they didn’t say they were both true. They left out that they were heavily funded from the start while playing up being initially poor (even though this didn’t make any sense, as the Jiujitsu Dojo was owned by the CEO and there wouldn’t be any reason for the devs to sleep in the dojo itself from the start). It was the contradiction of their words as opposed to their circumstances that turned S Koreans against them.
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Apr 3, 2023 21:35
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The details are all stupid and I don't care. Nobody's a murderer or racist or sexually assaulting people. Whoever is stopping the game from being made is the one who sucks. Let me play.
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Apr 3, 2023 22:23
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ngl my first thought was "if Toby Fox worked for Warner Brothers then Sans would definitely be in Multiversus"
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Lemming posted:The details are all stupid and I don't care. Nobody's a murderer or racist or sexually assaulting people. Whoever is stopping the game from being made is the one who sucks. Let me play. Yup.
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Apr 3, 2023 23:14
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In this case, it’s both parties for different reason. Ironmace because of their idiocy in how they handled their departure from Mintrocket and using what they did there, and Nexon/Mintrocket for their desire to be recompensed for what Ironmace did to them. Even if nobody is a sexual assaulter or murderer or racist, a law was still potentially broken. Those aren’t the only laws or morals that can be involved in a video game. I am sympathetic to ‘LEMME PLAY I DON’T CARE’, but if Nexon is correct, Ironmace is still the immoral and illegal party. And if that’s the case, then it is by Ironmace’s hand that the game isn’t playable. Kchama fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Apr 4, 2023 |
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Apr 3, 2023 23:25
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Let's just crowdfund a new company to hire them and tell them to leave their dumb server behind and do it right this time
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Apr 4, 2023 00:43
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Your best bet is to not involve anyone from Nexon or Ironmace at all and just remake your best amalgamation of DaD in either fortnite or Roblox. Nothing in DaD is particularly groundbreaking, but all together it’s a nice game.
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Apr 4, 2023 01:18
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Kchama posted:In this case, it’s both parties for different reason. Ironmace because of their idiocy in how they handled their departure from Mintrocket and using what they did there, and Nexon/Mintrocket for their desire to be recompensed for what Ironmace did to them. probably one of the most bitchmade things ive ever read lol. someone stuff this guy in a locker, stat
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Apr 4, 2023 04:46
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oh no a loving ip law, someone think of the poor multibillion dollar corporation
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Dave the Diver is real good though so good on Mintrocket there.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:oh no a loving ip law, someone think of the poor multibillion dollar corporation Ah right, I forgot that 'explaining is condoning'. I'm not explaining this to show that I like that Nexon is potentially in the right and I am rooting for their victory. Just that uhh, people are going to be super shocked and confused if Nexon wins if they only hear Ironmace's side of the story. Edit: Also it loving sucks when the big evil megacorps get to appear to be genuinely right for once. Like Koreans are actually siding with Nexon and that's the worst. Kchama fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Apr 4, 2023 |
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