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Fivemarks posted:Īsā ibn Maryam. fify (we should really play it safe)
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NewMars posted:I just looked at the map and it looks like the narrow sea kingdom is facing problems too. Welp. No longer a problem to care about, and that is good because there are far more interesting problems here.
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hashashash posted:oh wow, I have no idea how I missed that. I'll fix it to something more sensible, maybe plop a bunch of Romans there LMAO I thought you did that on purpose, like an Icelandic Anglo-Saxon invasion was one of the later shake-ups you were hinting at.
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Mr.Morgenstern posted:LMAO I thought you did that on purpose, like an Icelandic Anglo-Saxon invasion was one of the later shake-ups you were hinting at. it is kinda funny, i might just roll with it and see if they can do anything impressive in eu4
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hashashash posted:it is kinda funny, i might just roll with it and see if they can do anything impressive in eu4 Anglo-Saxon invasion of the new world. however you say Vinland in Anglo-Saxon.
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how in the world are they anglo saxons anyway, the place where anglo saxons would be invented is full of punics
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Tulip posted:how in the world are they anglo saxons anyway, the place where anglo saxons would be invented is full of punics the angles and saxons went to britain, found it full of Punics, and decided to keep sailing
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hashashash posted:the angles and saxons went to britain, found it full of Punics, and decided to keep sailing the dozen druids living there beforehand were shocked when they arrived to be sure
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hashashash posted:the angles and saxons went to britain, found it full of Punics, and decided to keep sailing Good call.
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 Part 8 — To the Holy Land — 855 to 875 Not so long ago, they numbered only a few dozen. Denounced by their family, abandoned by their allies, exiled from their homes, they were forced to gather under the cloak of secrecy and stealth in a remote oasis-town in Arabia, with only their fervent faith as their shield. And now, in a frenzied flood of steel and blood, the religion of Muhammad has poured forth into Persia, into Egypt, into Mesopotamia, into the Holy Land, issuing a simple ultimatum to any they come across — convert, or submit, or die.    The bedouin that wandered the deserts of Arabia and Sinai were the first to submit…  …followed by the factious princes of Egypt…  …and the proud lords of Persia…  But the greatest test that faced the Caliphate — or “successors” to the Prophet — took the form of the Seleukid Empire, a great power that had weathered the Diadochi Wars, flourished during the Dark Ages, outlasted their perennial enemies in the Ptolemies…  Only for the zealous warriors of nascent Islam to annihilate them in pitched battle, again and twice again, and then plunder the wealthy capital of Seleucia-on-the-Tigris and plunge the Seleukids into a civil war that would see the dissolution of their empire, the decline of their power, and the near-extinction of their dynasty.    Thus, with the dawn of the year 855 — or about 250 years after the death of the Prophet — the empire of the Caliphate was in the ascendance, destined to make war and make conquest until the Day of Days and Last Judgement was come, and all the world had proclaimed that there was no God but God and Muhammad was his Prophet.  The political order in the Holy Land was very different from in Europa, where the High King wielded autocratic power, or in Great Carthage, where the citizenry had elected their own Suffets, or even Nova Roma, where the god-king had been absolute in authority. In the Holy Land, the feudal order reigned paramount — peasants were tied to the land; de jure counts and dukes paid lip service to their lieges whilst de facto ruling in their own right; kings and emperors were locked in a struggle that would determine the fates of their peoples, their cultures, their religions…   This was the world that Adonibaal was thrust into. Adonibaal was amongst the youngest of Elissa’s children, borne from a brief liaison with a Britonnic druid. Though he had lived most of his life without rights or expectation, his courage in battle and siege in the final hours of his mother’s life led to his legitimisation, making him a member of the Mago dynasty.   Thus, in her memory, he named his newborn house ‘Elissa’, and into his heraldic badge he incorporated the lion of Adonibaal, the ship of Elissa, the elephant of Old Carthage, and the citadel of New Carthage —   Apart from his own hard-won name, however, he had little else — only a small town by the name of Gazza, surrounded on every side by the banners and swords of the Great Caliph…  That is, on every side except one —  There was only one thing he could do. Adonibaal took his immediate family, travelled by horse to the city of Beirut, and there he swore fealty to the so-called Malik — the ancient Caananite word for king — of Phoenicia.  This king was the heir to far greater, far more capable men, who had forged his kingdom and fended off the forces of the Great Caliph for almost a century… but with this king, this malik, that would surely not last. He himself enjoyed the pleasures of court, the feasting and hunting, the poetry and sagas, to the rigours of ruling and war-making. And as it happened, that was precisely what Adonibaal was hoping for.  Adonibaal quickly set to bringing the king under his influence, swaying him and bribing him with precious gifts and rare artifacts. Proving to be particularly malleable, it was only a few months before the king appointed Adonibaal as his steward, and just a few months after that he awarded him with the right to rule and collect taxes in the county of Jaffa.   All that was well and good, but Adonibaal knew he could not wholly rely on the king for his advancement. So using the new moneys raised from Gazza and Jaffa, he began recruiting men-at-arms (mostly armoured footmen and light horsemen) that would form the core of his own personal army.    And he dispatched this growing army to raid and harry at the minor lords of Cilicia — Seleucia, Tarsos, Lycia and their ilk.  Adonibaal also found his populace proving increasingly unruly. They detested being ruled by a foreigner and infidel to boot, and the tensions frequently exploded into murderous riots.  Above all, however, Adonibaal was a practical man. He knew when to resist and when to bend, when to fight and when to yield — and so, in the year 860, he announced to his courtiers and population that he would be embracing the native religion of Judaism!     This was met with great fanfare, not only in Adonibaal’s own counties, but in the royal court at Beirut as well, where Adonibaal had become one of the king’s favourites, and he rewarded this conversion with greater powers —     This is when Adonibaal began making bolder moves. He expanded his retinue to 2000 men-at-arms, which together with his levies made him the most powerful lord in Phoenicia.  And then he dispatched his chancellor to fabricate claims on rich provinces in Tripoli, Acre, Tiberias and , and when he approached the king with these obviously-falsified claims in the years 865 and again in the year 870, the king was forced to surrender the lands and their incomes to Adonibaal, or else risk a war he could not win.     At the same time, Adonibaal dispatched instructions for his forces in Cilicia to take more authoritative action — to capture and tax the towns they besieged, rather than simply exact tribute.     Thus, when Adonibaal breathed his final breath in the year 875, he had emerged as the largest landowner in the kingdom, as the most powerful lord in Canaan and Galilee, as the power behind the throne of Phoenicia…   The lands of the Elissa dynasty within the kingdom of Phoenicia. All of which he left to his sons, Yehomilk and Yavdi.  Just a few miles beyond the coast, meanwhile, the Great Caliph al-Mansur is succeeded by his son, al-Nasr. Famed for his learning, and highly accomplished in diplomacy, economy and intrigue, the Great Caliph does not have much of an affinity for martial endeavours… but surely it cannot be long before the thousand thousand ghazi of Islam are marching for Phoenicia, banners fluttering and swords bare and voices raised with the call of jihad against the infidel.  
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I think there's an image missing after the mention of Yehomilk and Yavdi
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Xelkelvos posted:I think there's an image missing after the mention of Yehomilk and Yavdi woops, fixed
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That guy has learning 53? I didn't know the scale went up that high for naturally-occuring characters. Also amazed out how quickly our guy hollowed out Phoenicia like some wasp larva in a caterpillar.
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Innocent_Bystander posted:That guy has learning 53? I didn't know the scale went up that high for naturally-occuring characters. Also amazed out how quickly our guy hollowed out Phoenicia like some wasp larva in a caterpillar. yep, he's sort of insane -  also, i won't lie, i have absolutely no idea how we're supposed to take him/the Caliphate on. i can wait a while to see if they weaken, but... let's just say that's not looking very likely
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56 learning whilst stoned out of his gourd.
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That's the kind of person who'll casually invent some ridiculous thing that'll revolutionise his entire bloody country while he's high as a kite. Good loving lord.
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Oh poo poo. This is going to be fun CK3 continues its predecessor's ability to generate weird and fascinating historical figures, I see
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Lynneth posted:That's the kind of person who'll casually invent some ridiculous thing that'll revolutionise his entire bloody country while he's high as a kite. Good loving lord. welp, time to import a special little event from ck2...
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hashashash posted:also, i won't lie, i have absolutely no idea how we're supposed to take him/the Caliphate on. i can wait a while to see if they weaken, but... let's just say that's not looking very likely I think the main thing we've learned so far is how powerful the strategy is of entering a larger realm as a vassal with the same intent as a xenomorph larva slithering down a host's throat.
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GunnerJ posted:I think the main thing we've learned so far is how powerful the strategy is of entering a larger realm as a vassal with the same intent as a xenomorph larva slithering down a host's throat. that was the plan, but unfortunately Adonibaal's heir is a bit of a zealous nuthead, so wouldn't make much sense to swear fealty again hashashash fucked around with this message at 02:25 on Apr 9, 2023 |
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Not only is he at 56 learning despite being stoned out of his gourd, he's only getting +1 from his wife. This dude is the goddamned House of Wisdom all by himself.
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Man, we should've been playing this guy instead, jeeze.
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I mean hey, maybe we can keep skirting our way around the coastline of Anatolia to keep us safe.
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hashashash posted:that was the plan, but unfortunately Adonibaal's heir is a bit of a zealous nuthead, so wouldn't make much sense to swear fealty again Well, as long as he's not actually the King of Phoenicia, just effectively so, it's not technically his call. (He takes over Phoenicia in fairly short order, doesn't he...) GunnerJ fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Apr 9, 2023 |
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GunnerJ posted:(He takes over Phoenicia in fairly short order, doesn't he...) sorry
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There's an element of luck in not becoming the Umayyad's next meal but I appreciate how well that was played. Having just spent a couple hours failing to get a good run of Jewish horse archers going as that one Rabbinic count in the Caucasus has given me a good appreciation for how many ways you can screw up as a minnow in a sea of sharks in CK3.GunnerJ posted:I think the main thing we've learned so far is how powerful the strategy is of entering a larger realm as a vassal with the same intent as a xenomorph larva slithering down a host's throat.
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The Caliphate putting together a team to invent 1 (one) handgun.
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We're zealous, so probably not willing to convert, but if our immediate next-door neighbor is a prosperous Jewish Emir with respectable holdings and a guarantee of religious liberty from the Caliph then that's a pretty drat strong argument to try and get a similar deal for ourselves. We've got a respectable Jewish family to marry into right there next door so the faith stays alive into the next generation, and if we ever decide it is time to revolt against the Caliph, all the better to have an ally next door than go alone.
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Rejected Fate posted:Wait, did they get a woman Caliph? I've seen it before but I'm always confused how. They didn't. That appears to be a female ruler of Phoenicia. So at some point after the last update, Hash must have taken over Phoenicia and the heir apparent either died or abdicated to whoever that woman is.
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Rejected Fate posted:Wait, did they get a woman Caliph? I've seen it before but I'm always confused how. yeah its a bit of a spoiler but thats our ruler, we get her in the next update under completely un-mysterious circumstances
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Admittedly, a balance of -8 for swearing fealty under high obligations seems like it could be overcome by showering the Caliph with praise and gifts. The speed at which you cored out the Phoenician realm points to the value in throwing resources at buddying up to the Umayya to gain protection-by-vassalage. Harder for them to protect against a call coming from inside the house! The family is overdue for a revolution, in any case.
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