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BlueBlazer posted:Excuse me for localizing my anecdote too much. For I've crafted the greatest sin, an imperfect statement of consideration. Rainer is also more like 1:5300 fatality:attempt and I might speculate suffers from similar characteristics to Everest since it’s a state high point and is hard but not that hard. Mont Blanc is more dangerous maybe 1:1000. Obviously mountaineering is more dangerous than sitting on the couch but you’re still overstating it a little bit.
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knox_harrington posted:Lol I think you're underestimating it, please wear a gopro and record your attempt I might become an alright alpine scrambler at some point fooling around here in the pnw; i will never become 12 hours of strenuous scrambling type in shape. the matterhorn is a very strenuous, very exposed, nontechnical scramble and if you bust your rear end you can have a hot shower in a hotel the night of your summit that said i'm insanely jealous you're there
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I come from the east coast US, so I find anything above a thousand or two meters to be superfluous.
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Platystemon posted:It’s heartbreaking to see all these kids risk their lives. Yeah on Fuji your only enemy is how long can you wait to clamber up some of the slightly steeper parts of the path behind the obasans and stuff, but during the hiking season it's not bad at all unless you try to go from sea level to the summit in a day, you will be quite sore and feeling very O2 starved by the time you get to the summit, 12,000 feet of elevation in 24h is no joke. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqy0tfMIX8w Off season is significantly colder though, and you can indeed get in some poo poo, mostly frostbite. orange juche fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Apr 7, 2023 |
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Ohtori Akio posted:I might become an alright alpine scrambler at some point fooling around here in the pnw; i will never become 12 hours of strenuous scrambling type in shape. the matterhorn is a very strenuous, very exposed, nontechnical scramble and if you bust your rear end you can have a hot shower in a hotel the night of your summit Lol fair enough. Here's a pic I took of it last summer from the summit of the Dent Blanche 
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Apr 7, 2023 08:56
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Colonel Cancer posted:It's not actually tragic to die doing what you love tbh We’ll be sure to tell that to the people whose job it is to drag your blissfully smiling corpse off a mountain peak or underwater cave.
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Apr 7, 2023 09:45
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 because it bears repeating, if you think it's not tragic to die because you were an adrenaline junkie dumbass, here's your sign
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Apr 7, 2023 10:25
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BlueBlazer posted:Excuse me for localizing my anecdote too much. For I've crafted the greatest sin, an imperfect statement of consideration. That's exactly what people are saying, it was you who mentioned the 10k thing like it was somehow relevant to how dangerous a climb is. The height doesn't have any impact on the safety really until much higher elevations than 10k feet... No one's saying you committed the greatest sin, you were just wrong. Chill out, we're all posting buddies here.
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Potato Salad posted:New Hampshire kills people because they didn't appreciate just how rapidly weather can become extremely bad. We have a saying in vt and nh…”don’t like the weather? Wait a few minutes” Edit: and yeah the white mountains seem to kill 4-5 people or so a year because you can start a hike at 70 deg in the day and then the wonderful combo of jet stream wind exposure (even if it’s only like 6k ft mt Washington and the area have enough prominence to get world record breaking wind while the valleys below them are tame by comparison) and temperature swings down to 40s or lower has a particular effect on people who won’t pack so much as a jacket (don’t even ask me about people who started the day with light socks on and have nothing else).. also the fact the entire nh hikes are mostly under tree cover while also involving a lot of bouldering at times, oh yeah and it might have rained on those rocks making them slick as ice, (does it rain at Everest?). you also get no direct sunlight for larger portions of your trek and might be soaking wet. Assuming the sun didn’t already dip because it sets around 6 pm outside of peak summer and you beat your expected time right? ethanol fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Apr 7, 2023 |
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Apparently in the summer months base camp can go from 4 degrees Celsius at night to 22 in the day. So yes it does rain in the summer!quote:At an altitude of 5,200 meters above sea level, EBC has a climate that is characterized as a mountain plateau climate, which can be cold throughout the year. The average temperature is -17 degrees Celsius, which is considered the coldest during the year mostly from mid-December to January. During spring months the temperature warms up rapidly but the night remains still cold and chilly, dropping to below freezing. Temperatures range throughout the year from around 22 degrees in the height of summer to as low as -5 degrees in winter during the day, with temperatures at night ranging from -15 in the winter to around 4 degrees in the summer months. That's only base camp though. Tenkaris fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Apr 7, 2023 |
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Leperflesh posted:The death zone is above 8000 meters, that's 26,000 feet. It is if you're baking a cake according to directions. explain that away good sir
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orange juche posted:Yeah on Fuji your only enemy is how long can you wait to clamber up some of the slightly steeper parts of the path behind the obasans and stuff, but during the hiking season it's not bad at all unless you try to go from sea level to the summit in a day, you will be quite sore and feeling very O2 starved by the time you get to the summit, 12,000 feet of elevation in 24h is no joke. I felt great hiking up in about 4-5 hours but then made the mistake of racing my friend the last 100 feet to the top (the lion statues) and instantly gave myself altitude sickness. Headache, no appetite, couldn’t sleep. The next day I had a hot chocolate out of a vending machine before the climb down and just as quickly felt better again. Beautiful view at the top though. For reference I was 24 at the time and a runner/rock climber coming from a city at sea level, so in pretty good shape.
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orange juche posted:because it bears repeating, if you think it's not tragic to die because you were an adrenaline junkie dumbass, here's your sign While that is tragic, it's more tragic to die early because you're a flabby neckbeard computer janitor with metabolic syndrome.
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putin is a oval office posted:That's exactly what people are saying, it was you who mentioned the 10k thing like it was somehow relevant to how dangerous a climb is. The height doesn't have any impact on the safety really until much higher elevations than 10k feet... loling a little at the idea that altitude is no big deal until youre at himalayan type of elevations knox_harrington posted:Lol fair enough. Jealous at the entire concept of having a place near Zermatt, but being in shape and skill to get on top of the funny looking hills especially.
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Comrade Koba posted:We’ll be sure to tell that to the people whose job it is to drag your blissfully smiling corpse off a mountain peak or underwater cave. It is all of our responsibility to keep consuming as long as possible, and go out in a blaze of medical expenditures
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Epitope posted:It is all of our responsibility to keep consuming as long as possible, and go out in a blaze of medical expenditures If you want to die, there are lots of quicker and easier solutions that won’t necessarily inconvenience or traumatize the people with actual jobs that are forced to deal with the aftermath.
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I don't want to die, just observing the absurdity around the morality of dying.
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If they even find my body I'd consider that a failure, much less successfully recover the drat thing.
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Tenkaris posted:Apparently in the summer months base camp can go from 4 degrees Celsius at night to 22 in the day. So yes it does rain in the summer! It also gets up to like >30 degrees C in the cwm on a sunny day, not at all unusual to see them crossing in shorts and t-shirt sleeves
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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There's GOLD at the top of Everest!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLD 
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Everest is Darwin's perfect challenge, competent mountaineers generally survive it, while a lot of people who have no business near mountains but are climbing for bragging rights get turned into ice sculptures in the death zone.
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orange juche posted:Yeah on Fuji your only enemy is how long can you wait to clamber up some of the slightly steeper parts of the path behind the obasans and stuff, but during the hiking season it's not bad at all unless you try to go from sea level to the summit in a day, you will be quite sore and feeling very O2 starved by the time you get to the summit, 12,000 feet of elevation in 24h is no joke. That averages out to 3.3 inches per second during the ascent, that's like 12 hours straight on a stairmaster.
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My legs were actually fine when I climbed out of season, it was pretty not bad, my legs turned into loving rubber noodles on the descent though because I'd been climbing pretty steadily all night from about 8pm until 5am, and they just said gently caress it you're done man. Also, yeah, don't try to run at altitude if you've been living the flatlander life at sea level, 12,000ft is a lot thinner than ~50ft.
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Isn't there a legitimate mechanical reason why it seems harder to descend stairs/slopes (harder than ascending) after a heavy leg workout? Something to do with the difference between concentric and eccentric muscle contractions?
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Ohtori Akio posted:loling a little at the idea that altitude is no big deal until youre at himalayan type of elevations I've mentioned it in one of the Everest threads but I had a friend who was young and in good shape who was hiking somewhere in California not high at all, obviously well below 10,000 feet and had to be evacuated by helicopter due to altitude sickness. He said he felt worse than he imagined he could ever feel, like walking death.
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Mountain death update but sadly not the funny kind: Three Nepali sherpa climbers go missing on Everest Reuters posted:KATHMANDU, April 12 (Reuters) - Three Nepali sherpa guides are missing on Mount Everest after an avalanche swept down and buried them in a crevasse on Wednesday, a Tourism Department official said. thiccabod fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Apr 13, 2023 |
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Posting from Kathmandu, I fly to Lukla bright and early tomorrow morning. Updates to come when I'm in internet range. Apparantly it's Nepalese new years eve, the streets are loving LIT
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Paladine_PSoT posted:Posting from Kathmandu, I fly to Lukla bright and early tomorrow morning. Updates to come when I'm in internet range. Yankee Go Home
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Mom: "We have Passage to Bangkok at home" Passage to Bangkok at home: Paladine_PSoT posted:Posting from Kathmandu, I fly to Lukla bright and early tomorrow morning. Updates to come when I'm in internet range.
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thiccabod posted:Mountain death update but sadly not the funny kind: That's horrible, and it really underscores how much risk the workers are taking every year to prepare the way for the tourist climbers. Dying in an avalanche is a constant and unavoidable possibility. I wish Nepal didn't see the climbing permits and arrangement on Everest as such an important revenue stream because I'd love to see all that stuff just not done any more. If you want to go up Everest, fine, place your own ladders and ropes and haul all your oxygen tanks up yourself. I realize probably a fair number of Sherpa guides would want to keep working, I don't really know how to square that though. What do you do for people who are being exploited, but would rather have the jobs than not? Maybe ask them what they want? Maybe... put them in charge? What if the Everest tour companies were actually owned and operated by Nepalese people? No foreign companies, only Sherpa-owned allowed. What if the locals received all of the money and benefit of the tourism, and were able to completely manage their own risks.
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honestly then it would be a handful of nepali from kathmandu getting rich while the people doing the actual work die for other people's financial gain. which, i mean, it IS in fact better to have the wealth stay in the country than for it to just be full-on extracted. in general though i don't think sweatshops are OK, even when they're in a slightly different form. what i'm interested in is just how much money we're talking here. i have a suspicion (that may be 100% wrong) that nepal could make good money from allowing some subset of climbing tourism (idk, maybe to basecamp). ideally it'd be behavior based, such that the fines for leaving poo poo (literal or figurative) on the mountain is massive, and if you can't do a leave-no-trace to the summit, you effectively can't climb it unless you fund a real actual cleanup and then pay that much again on top as an inconvenience fee. i don't have any bright ideas for what you could do to enforce that beyond "give us a ton of money, then you get some of it back when you don't gently caress up the mountain," how such a program would deal with perverse incentives, etc. but i don't have to. i'm just a guy on the internet, not a nepali policymaker
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Achmed Jones posted:but i don't have to. i'm just a guy on the internet, not a nepali policymaker 
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thiccabod posted:Mountain death update but sadly not the funny kind: 24 hr update? https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/13/asia/everest-sherpas-missing-in-nepal-intl/index.html I am really sad to be posting this 
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Leperflesh posted:That's horrible, and it really underscores how much risk the workers are taking every year to prepare the way for the tourist climbers. Dying in an avalanche is a constant and unavoidable possibility. Achmed Jones posted:honestly then it would be a handful of nepali from kathmandu getting rich while the people doing the actual work die for other people's financial gain. which, i mean, it IS in fact better to have the wealth stay in the country than for it to just be full-on extracted. in general though i don't think sweatshops are OK, even when they're in a slightly different form. Yes, many of the guide services are Nepali-owned now, including the guide service that the three Sherpa who just died worked for. https://imagine-nepal.com/about/about-company
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gohuskies posted:Yes, many of the guide services are Nepali-owned now, including the guide service that the three Sherpa who just died worked for. https://imagine-nepal.com/about/about-company On the other hand, just because something is locally owned doesn't mean the owner/company isn't abusive towards their staff. At least the owner is a climber and seems legit? I've worked for a lot of locally owned companies that were abusive towards staff with owners who were all round shitbags but managed to put on a great public face.
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Yeah the managing director (https://imagine-nepal.com/about/our-team) seems to be a very very experienced climber, and the rest of the management team are Sherpa, so that seems pretty good at least!
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Yea lots of bad stuff happening on Annapurna https://explorersweb.com/annapurna-chaos-noel-hannah-dies-climbers-airlifted/
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That’s awful, what a total mess. How did Kaur end up alone? Did the sherpas make it back?
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Anne Whateley posted:That’s awful, what a total mess. How did Kaur end up alone? Did the sherpas make it back? quote:“Anyone trekking in the Annapurna or Manaslu regions in Nepal at the moment, please be aware there will be heavy snow and high winds from tomorrow for at least five days,” No friends on a powder day I hope the Sherpas are okay. They should be the first ones evacuated if anything goes wrong imo
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