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If there was a more functional rail system there might not need to be so much trucking.
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Class3KillStorm posted:What are the stats on truckers who own their own vehicles vs. companies owning them and hiring out bodies to operate them? And how many of those independent truckers are long haulers vs. shorter trips in more local environs? Does any one know that info or of any good resources to look into it? I think this is the kind of thing that makes people in middle America hate democrats. Trucking is one of the few occupations that allows someone to make a middle class living with almost no education. I have a soft spot for folks that drive trucks as when I was a kid my dad was a diesel mechanic who ultimately ended up running his own trucking company and is now retired. I’m 100% for people moving to EVs but forcing truckers to go electric when we don’t even have good data on what the 10 year ownership costs look like for a BEV semi seems pretty unfair to me. For those who don’t know, owner operators literally drive their trucks millions of miles over the life of a truck and rely on a network of repair shops across the country to keep them on the road. They’re constantly in need of repair so understanding what will break, when it’ll break and how much it’ll cost is important.
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Apr 18, 2023 02:06
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SpeedFreek posted:If there was a more functional rail system there might not need to be so much trucking. Depends on what kind of trucking: Long Haul? Yeah, there could probably be some reduction. There would need to be longer leadtimes for just about everything produced in the US though because you would need to add in getting stuff to the railyard, loading the train, unloading the train, and then to it's destination instead of shoving everything onto a truck and it immedietly going to the destination.
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Apr 18, 2023 02:27
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Yeah this will change the intermodal rail crossover point. Rail is going to drop the ball on it almost certainly. It’s also not bad to dissuade long haul dtd and encourage more intermodal. Yes it does suck for truckers and we probably should do something about that.
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Apr 18, 2023 02:48
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Sounds like trucking is critical infrastructure and should be nationalized instead of letting a bunch of lovely companies exploit people who have to self-finance, or at least much more heavily regulated and subsidized so drivers don't have to kill themselves or get addicted to meth just to do their jobs. Best we can do in 2023 is *checks notes* repair nine bridges I guess. Infrastructure week is back!
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Apr 18, 2023 03:04
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The trucking industry was in a free fall long before the question of electric trucks came up.
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Apr 18, 2023 03:15
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https://www.news10.com/news/crime/man-charged-in-fatal-mistaken-address-shooting/ old white men with guns having a hell of a week
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Apr 18, 2023 03:36
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Professor Beetus posted:Sounds like trucking is critical infrastructure and should be nationalized instead of letting a bunch of lovely companies exploit people who have to self-finance, or at least much more heavily regulated and subsidized so drivers don't have to kill themselves or get addicted to meth just to do their jobs. Best we can do in 2023 is *checks notes* repair nine bridges I guess. Infrastructure week is back! Nah, we'll do it like rail so the lovely companies are still there but the government can force you to work cause its critical infrastructure.
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Apr 18, 2023 03:47
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:https://www.news10.com/news/crime/man-charged-in-fatal-mistaken-address-shooting/ Thanks for the article post. In the future, please try to post a brief summary or copy and paste the article. Just in general, people should be able to have a sense of what the article is about without having to go through a paywall or outside link. This is a good article expanding on the crazy trend of people getting shot when going to the wrong address this week. Here's the full text for anyone else: quote:Man charged in fatal mistaken address shooting This is yet another different situation of someone going to the wrong address and being shot by the homeowner. It is also in New York, which also has castle doctrine laws, but the shooter/homeowner was arrested and charged with murder right away.
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Apr 18, 2023 03:52
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thats a really horrible and sad story
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Apr 18, 2023 03:54
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There’s a large number of Americans who are itching to find a reason to shoot someone. It’s not a hapless accident.
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Apr 18, 2023 03:58
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Private property was a bad idea imo
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Apr 18, 2023 04:56
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kronix posted:
Don't electric vehicles break down much, much less because there's an order of magnitude fewer moving parts?
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Apr 18, 2023 05:10
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Charlz Guybon posted:Don't electric vehicles break down much, much less because there's an order of magnitude fewer moving parts? In my experience, yes. They are more reliable.
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Apr 18, 2023 05:13
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Florida https://twitter.com/Lawmadillo/status/1648101369344131073 wow
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Thanks for the article post. In the future, please try to post a brief summary or copy and paste the article. Just in general, people should be able to have a sense of what the article is about without having to go through a paywall or outside link. This is a good article expanding on the crazy trend of people getting shot when going to the wrong address this week. I posted this article on discord, and the picture in the preview (which does not show up if you just go to the web page) shows a white woman hugging two dogs. Is that a legit picture of the victim, because if so, I sense I have found the reason this guy was charged right away. Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Apr 18, 2023 05:14
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Charlz Guybon posted:Don't electric vehicles break down much, much less because there's an order of magnitude fewer moving parts? Yes. But the ones that get into accidents or have say brake/bearing fires with l-ion batteries in the tractor are going to be spectacular fires. Though I’m thinking heavy trucks are going to get the near lithium equivalent non-lithium batteries that still get called “lithium“ that are out now.
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Apr 18, 2023 05:24
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Charlz Guybon posted:Don't electric vehicles break down much, much less because there's an order of magnitude fewer moving parts? Significantly more expensive to fix when it does break, though, and trucks have a lot more parts to break that aren't the engine. And we don't actually know how frequently electric trucks would break down or how much more expensive most of those fixes would be that would let us figure out whether that would end up as significant savings or significant losses.
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Apr 18, 2023 05:24
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Yes. Gasoline has a much higher energy density than a lithium battery. Why would the fire be worse?
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Apr 18, 2023 05:41
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Jesus III posted:Gasoline has a much higher energy density than a lithium battery. Why would the fire be worse? LiON fires are much harder to put out and tend to spontaneously reignite for days.
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Apr 18, 2023 05:57
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Jesus III posted:Gasoline has a much higher energy density than a lithium battery. Why would the fire be worse? Lithium itself catches fire real good, and liquid metal fires suck.
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Apr 18, 2023 05:58
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Jesus III posted:Gasoline has a much higher energy density than a lithium battery. Why would the fire be worse? Gasoline needs air, and to be mixed with air. Lions burn all by themselves, and spontaneously ignite if crushed.
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Apr 18, 2023 06:04
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Jesus III posted:Gasoline has a much higher energy density than a lithium battery. Why would the fire be worse? It’s a very different type of fire. When one is fire fighting a combustible liquid one uses foam. These batteries a different class of fire. It’s a class D fire. But the ways of fighting D fires don’t seem to work great. It’s a huge problem for departments with home fires now particularly with ebikes. With vehicles what they are finding is they can’t put them out. So they cool with water to contain until the batteries burn themselves out. Google some videos and you’ll get a sense of what it is.
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Apr 18, 2023 06:05
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We almost universally put out fires by removing their ability to consume oxygen. Class D fires are self oxidizing. They are a real bitch and the safest thing to do is let them burn out on their own schedule. I only know this because I recently nerded out on some submarine videos and they went into describing how loving problematic fire is on submarines. Subs are cool. cr0y fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Apr 18, 2023 06:12
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Jesus III posted:Gasoline has a much higher energy density than a lithium battery. Why would the fire be worse? Gasoline fires need a proper mix of gasoline and air in order to ignite, so they can be smothered by things like foam. Lithium batteries produce their own oxygen when they burn, which means they can burn even when cut off from air. The way to put them out is to cool them down till they're cool enough that the fire goes out. But even after the fire is out, damaged lithium batteries can suffer short circuits and other issues that cause them to start converting stored electricity to heat, causing them to self-heat until they're hot enough to spontaneously reignite. This means they could burst back into flame again at any time, at least until the battery is sufficiently discharged or destroyed.
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Apr 18, 2023 06:46
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiw7ToN9bQI To wit: A Tesla runs into a building and catches fire. After it's put out, it ignites again when the remains are being towed away and the local fire departments hose it down for hours. I've read about similar cases where the car catches fire a third time, at the junkyard.
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Apr 18, 2023 08:33
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That's why you throw car batteries to sea, to keep them cooled.
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kronix posted:I think this is the kind of thing that makes people in middle America hate democrats. Trucking is one of the few occupations that allows someone to make a middle class living with almost no education. I have a soft spot for folks that drive trucks as when I was a kid my dad was a diesel mechanic who ultimately ended up running his own trucking company and is now retired. Are electric semi-trucks even a real technology? The semi-truck application seems to demand a higher performance vehicle than the personal vehicle application. Electric vehicles are lower performance than normal ones. It is ok for an electric personal vehicle to be slightly heavier--batteries aren't as energy dense as fuel--because personal vehicles are usually not loaded to max capacity. It is ok that it takes longer to charge an electric car than refuel a normal car, because personal vehicles spend most of the time being parked. But I'd think that these drawbacks to electric cars aren't as acceptable in the semi-truck application, where the truck is being run at higher capacity than a personal vehicle. A heavy battery pack would limit how much cargo you could carry, and waiting a long time for your truck to charge would translate to lost revenue. silence_kit fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Apr 18, 2023 09:07
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If you want to know how the electrification of truck transit will work then you should probably follow what China has been doing https://www.sustainabletruckvan.com/china-electric-trucks-trend-interact-analysis/ quote:In 2021, China registered nearly 80,000 battery electric trucks, ahead of Europe where just over 60,000 were registered and well ahead of North America where only 4,012 were registered. Some solutions are the use of overhead wires, for urban deliveries I assume, and battery swapping stations that then responsibly eject the old battery to the sea.
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Is there a significant advantage to moving to electric long-haul trucks instead of just investing that money in trains? Trains probably have way cheaper upkeep, too, since trucks already destroy roads like crazy and adding more weight is just going to make the problem worse.
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Apr 18, 2023 10:47
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VikingofRock posted:Is there a significant advantage to moving to electric long-haul trucks instead of just investing that money in trains? Trains probably have way cheaper upkeep, too, since trucks already destroy roads like crazy and adding more weight is just going to make the problem worse. The US already has dedicated most of its rail infrastructure to freight. It would be a significantly increased cost to increase the amount of rail and rolling stock over retrofitting vehicles for existing infrastructure.
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Nenonen posted:That's why you throw car batteries to sea, to keep them cooled. Nenonen posted:Some solutions are the use of overhead wires, for urban deliveries I assume, and battery swapping stations that then responsibly eject the old battery to the sea.
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Apr 18, 2023 11:43
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Sorry if late but the United States, for example? The first vote I ever was old enough to cast was 2012, yet 2020 was the first time I voted while inside the US I don't think you are an U. S. Representative...?
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Cheesus posted:Is this what we really do to expired Lithium batteries? Why not? It's a perfectly legal thrill. (No, expired batteries can be recycled. The ones on fire though? Yeah kinda, we just usually end up bringing the sea to them one tanker truck at a time.)
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I'm not sure we'll see the US or its sphere of dominance remember how to build infrastructure in our lifetimes, at least under any political paradigms like it has now. The neoliberal disease is too far gone.
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Apr 18, 2023 12:01
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SpeedFreek posted:If there was a more functional rail system there might not need to be so much trucking. The US has more rail than the entire EU, and fewer derailments. It's all freight. What are you arguing besides "drat I'd love to pay lots more than what airlines charge to spend days gazin at the scenery between Boston and Seattle?" Meanwhile drivers from the eastern countries of the EU work hours that make even the US trucking industry look good. Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Apr 18, 2023 13:26
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:What are you arguing besides "drat I'd love to pay lots more than what airlines charge to spend days gazin at the scenery between Boston and Seattle?" Do you happen to have a source comparing train costs to airline costs? If you do, does it happen to cover the environmental difference between the two?
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Apr 18, 2023 13:38
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The US has more rail than the entire EU The U.S. is also well more than twice as big as the EU in area. If you take out Alaska the US is just a hair shy of being twice as big.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Don't electric vehicles break down much, much less because there's an order of magnitude fewer moving parts? In theory, yes. In practice we don’t have a ton of real-world experience running electric trucks. Tesla routinely finds themselves at the bottom of consumer reports reliability rankings and electric cars in general tend to be less reliable. It’s also heavily dependent on the duty cycle. The life of a battery that’s charged on home charger and always charged before it gets too low is a lot different than one that’s fast charged and deep discharged on a daily basis. I just think it’s bad policy to force adoption so quickly, I think the economics will do more to convince conversion than a policy that’ll just make people more skeptical. kronix fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Apr 18, 2023 |
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Boo! Hopefully Brown crushes him https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1648294794483859461 One can only hope. https://twitter.com/marceelias/status/1648308189715111936
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