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whitehelm
Apr 20, 2008

Samovar posted:

I'm very sure Karma just blowing past the number of gunshots recorded and number of bullets fired won't be of any import in this case!

There's no evidence the gun was fully loaded at the time of the murder. It could've been fired once a week ago for all we know (except of course this is a game so we know it's relevant).

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achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
The gun went off at the time of the murder according to multiple witnesses and the corpse of the victim. Therefore, it was loaded with at least one bullet per the evidence. We only see one bullet in the victim. It is not immediately relevant whether any other bullets were fired by or loaded in the gun. Let us move on please.

FoolyCharged
Oct 11, 2012

Cheating at a raffle? I sentence you to 1 year in jail! No! Two years! Three! Four! Five years! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!
Somebody call for an ant?

Also we only have one photograph. Please do not ask us for any others citing having seen that the camera burns and entire freaking roll of film at once.

I have played the game and earnestly don't remember if this point ever comes up.

Rogue AI Goddess
May 10, 2012

I enjoy the sight of humans on their knees.
That was a joke... unless..?
Maybe we have yet to find the bodies of Edgeworth's other victims.

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 88: Episode 4, Day 2, Trial: Contempt of Court


Sound: Testimony 2

Music: Questioning - Moderato



If we browse through the testimony one more time without finding anything, we get a different kind of post-cross pep talk than usual.

Sorry, Nick. If only my sister were here...

(Maya's really taking this hard.)



We'll just have to press on everything and hope something pops out.

It was Christmas Eve, just after midnight, I reckon.



"Just after midnight," you say?



Hardly the conclusive contradiction we need to find.

Huh? Uh, yeah, well, yes.





Mmmph.



I still think there's something screwy with the timing going on here, but whatever.

Witness, continue your testimony.



I was in my car.



Why were you camping there, anyway?



I was taking pictures to use in my research.

Are you paying attention to when her lying face appears?



I could wait and do it later I suppose, but let's just keep pressing.

Ms. Hart.









Obviously something, since you don't want us to ask her about it.

The answer is "nothing"! I object to this line of questioning!

Objection sustained!


Sound: Whack

Well, then say it already!

Objection sustained.


Sound: Whoops

quote:

If we back off:

(I think I'll let that one slide for now.)



I heard this "bang" come up from the lake.



So, you weren't looking at the lake at that time?

Nope.





What do you want now, Karma?

She's said that already!



Not leisurely chat with the witness!

(Urk...)



When I looked out the window, I saw two gents in a boat.




Sound: Desk Slam

Could you clearly see the two men?

Just look at the picture! Clear enough for you?



Forget the picture, I want to know what you claim to have seen.

Wait a second!

I wasn't asking you about the photo!


Sound: Desk Slam



Uh, yeah, well, of course...





You'd best look elsewhere for your precious contradictions!



quote:

Backing off:

(I think I'd best let that one slide...)



Then there was another "bang"...





Well, yeah, sure...





He just won't let us get anything going. I think he's objected every single time we've spoken up so far.


Sound: Fwa-Shing 2

"Contradictions," Mr. Wright. Not meaningless babble!

(von Karma, I think I hate you.)



(To what end...?)



There wasn't nary a thing on the lake but that boat.




Sound: Desk Slam

Are you sure about that?

Yeah, sure as a country gal can be!



We better find something on this one...

How come you're so sure?



("Scanned the whole lake"?)


Sound: Realization

She was looking for Gourdy! It'll be seven more crosses until we can bring up that point.

Ms. Hart... you--





Mr. Wright!



Mmph!



No one is interested in why she was scanning the whole lake I guess...

U-uh, that's what I'm...

Sustained!
Sound: Whack

Y-yes, of course.

(Oh great...)

quote:

Once again, we could back off:

(Lotta seems pretty sure of herself.)

(I'd better not forge blindly ahead here.)

(Still... this whole thing stinks.)


Sound: Gavel

Once we've "pressed further" all three times (in any order), we're cut short.

Enough!

Music: Silence

I think we've heard all we need to hear, Mr. Wright.



I am half-convinced at this point that Edgeworth is going to be found guilty and the rest of the episode is digging into the DL-6 Incident to get him a re-trial or something.

B-but, Your Honor!


Sound: Fwa-Shing 2

You keep your promise!

Music: Suspense

Mr. Wright.



So, we've got five outbursts left before we're really in trouble, right?


Sound: Realization

That sounds like more than just a regular penalty.



We're tossed out on our butts any time we hit too many penalties and get our client declared guilty, so not much new there. I thought we were supposed to be held in contempt once our cross didn't find anything, anyway?

Understood...?

Uh... uh huh.

Nick...!



I... know what you mean.

But...

If I can't say anything, what can I do?


Sound: Gavel



Then, pass your judgment!



Very well.



Is he going to testify? Or is he just going up there to get pronounced guilty?

Music: Silence


Sound: Objection

No voice with that interjection...


Sound: Shock 2 x 4

Wh-who was that!?


Sound: Objection

Music: Telling the Truth

(Maya!)

Somehow after all this time I have to make a new Maya sprite. I actually thought this was Mia taking over early at first. Let's see where this goes.



No, I do not!
Sound: Whack

Lotta Hart!

Your testimony stinks!



It's highly doubtful that you actually saw Mr. Edgeworth!

Tell us the truth!
Sound: Damage 2




Sound: Stab 2

Lotta!
Sound: Whack



Did you see him fire that pistol!?


Sound: Gavel

You will stand down!



Answer me, Lotta!
Sound: Whack


Sound: Super Shock

I saw him! I swear it! I saw Edgeworth...
Sound: Whack

Now that statement is finally something specific! Way to go, Maya! (Pretty sure you just got us arrested though...)



Enough!

Judge...



Y-yes... yes, of course.

I'm sorry, but you WERE warned.



Maybe we'll switch to playing Edgeworth now, as he's defending himself. Just reverse his sprites like he's standing on the other side of the courtroom.

He is in contempt of court, and must leave.

(No...)

(No...!)



Music: Silence


Sound: Objection



Maya's going to fall on our sword just to get us one more shot. Anyone see this coming after the conversation during the short recess last update?

Nick is innocent!



Hah!

What's the difference?



Karma knows his witness screwed up, and is willing to let us go just to shut this trial down.



More wordplay! I can't stomach agreeing with Karma, though.


Sound: Desk Slam

Wrong!

What!?
Sound: Realization

quote:

We get a longer and funnier scene with the other choice, with some more help from Maya...

(Dammit, he's right...)

N-Nick! There must be something we can do!
Sound: Whack

I... don't think there is.



The cross-examination is over already!

B-but... but didn't Lotta just say she saw him?
Sound: Whack

She did, Nick! She just said that she saw Mr. Edgeworth!

She didn't say that in her testimony, did she?

...!
Sound: Light Bulb

Y-you're right!

Your Honor!

Did you hear what Ms. Hart just said?




Sound: Desk Slam

Music: Objection!

That was not in the testimony!
Sound: Drama Pound



Finally, Phoenix stands up for himself in this kangaroo court.


Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel x 3

Order! Order! Order! Order! Order! Order!


Sound: Whack

Judge! Sustain my objection!

...

Music: Silence

...


Sound: Realization

Yes! The judge is tired of being pushed around, too!

Music: Objection!

What!?
Sound: Light Bulb



The defense does have a right to cross-examine her again.



No, I am!
Sound: Whack



Hmm...



Very well.

Maya Fey!



Looks like we're going to be without our sidekick the rest of the way.

Nick!

I did what I could...



M-Maya...!



Music: Silence


Sound: Gavel



Listen well, Mr. Wright!



(I'm running out of time...)



Mr. Wright! Begin your cross-examination!




Sound: Testimony 2

Music: Questioning - Moderato



Straight to the cross, and we have just one line. If we do nothing (try to skip to the next line, for example):

(That's it...?)



(But I can't squander Maya's efforts, either.)



We do have an updated evidence description. This bullet now mentions that it was fired from the pistol that we have.



Anyway, we have just one line of testimony, and one chance to save this case. What do we do?

bladeworksmaster
Sep 6, 2010

Ok.

Out of our present evidence, the photo betrays Lotta’s testimony.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe
Present the pistol and shoot Von Karma, thereby revealing him as a dracula.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



the holy poopacy posted:

Present the pistol and shoot Von Karma, thereby revealing him as a dracula.

We don't have silver bullets, it alas would not slay him. Neither do we have a Bowie knife.

But in all seriousness. Photo

AncientSpark
Jan 18, 2013

the holy poopacy posted:

Present the pistol and shoot Von Karma, thereby revealing him as a dracula.

He would command the Judge to resurrect him, thereby starting the cult that would re-enact the events of Castlevania.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."

AncientSpark posted:

He would command the Judge to resurrect him, thereby starting the cult that would re-enact the events of Castlevania.

Are you saying that he would come back as a defense attorney by the name of Nov Amrak?

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

Guys, guys, Dracula is in the past of the timeline/the future of the series in The Great Ace Attorney 1 and 2 (the ones in Victorian London starring Nick's grandpa).

Von Karma is clearly a student though, so checking for vampiric regeneration might be a good idea.

Dallbun
Apr 21, 2010
"What is a man? That question is irrelevant to the case at hand!"

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
I've always imagined von Karma as more of a Claude Frollo as voiced by Tony Jay. More of a smug, self-assured abuser of authority than the force of nature that is Dracula.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
There's a mysterious evil hag demanding Von Karma answer the question "What can change the nature of a man?"

I wonder what his answer would be.

:)

Yes, I have enjoyed Planescape Torment.

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?

Dallbun posted:

"What is a man? That question is irrelevant to the case at hand!"

A miserable pile of objections.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


achtungnight posted:

There's a mysterious evil hag demanding Von Karma answer the question "What can change the nature of a man?"

I wonder what his answer would be.

50/50 between,

"It does not matter; all are guilty",

And,

"Nothing can change the nature of a man."

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 89: Episode 4, Day 2, Trial: Stargazing





This photo sure doesn't seem "clear as day".

Music: Silence



Got you.


Sound: Realization

quote:

You may have noticed that I didn't press on that line of testimony. There's a good reason; in fact Karma explicitly warned us against "badgering" in this case. You see...



Well, what about the other man?



You cannot expect to be allowed to blithely ignore your promise, Mr. Wright!

I believe you claimed there was a contradiction in the witness's testimony!

Well, find it!
Sound: Whack

If you can!

Mr. Wright, I have to assign you a penalty.
Sound: Damage 2

(drat...!)

For the first time in this game, we actually take a penalty just for pressing! I even included it as an option in the poll as a bit of a trap. We do get brought back to the cross-examination to try presenting something, though.

quote:

Now that we've had the opportunity to take a penalty, here is the scene for getting five penalties and losing the case:

Music: Silence

This court sees no reason to further prolong the trial.

Nor is there any need for more time to decide the case against the defendant.

This case is extremely clear. I see no room for mis-interpretation of the facts.

This court finds the defendant, Mr. Miles Edgeworth...

:guillotine: (Guilty!)

The accused will surrender to the court immediately,

to be held pending trial at a higher court within a month from today's date.

That is all. This court is adjourned!

The first part of the text does seem to change based on how far along in the case we are, getting less and less certain as we go. The final shot is Edgeworth at the stand being declared guilty, below the spoiler tag below.





Look at this photograph.

The photo I took...?

The very same.





The fog, Ms. Hart.

So... so?



Yet even it could not capture the faces of the men on the boat!


Sound: Desk Slam

Yet you claim you saw Mr. Edgeworth!

Music: Objection!


Sound: Objection
Sound: Stab


Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel

Mr. Wright has a point!

Great, can we have Maya back now?



Oh screw you lich-dragon!



That's, uh...what?

Yet, now she has said it, Mr. von Karma.



Ms. Hart.

What!



O-of course! I said I could and I meant I could!



(I did it!)

Music: Silence



Don't get too excited, this isn't even a hole, just Lotta getting over-excited.


Sound: Testimony 2

Music: Questioning - Moderato



So, once I was finished setting up my camera, I got back in the car.

Still, I brought my binoculars with me.



See? No problem!



Oh, come on, that doesn't even make any sense!

Music: Silence

Hmm... You used binoculars?



(This one'd better be good!)





Music: Questioning - Moderato



(I'm going to find a hole in this testimony if it's the last thing I do!



I guess we'll just have to hope pressing reveals something more solid, and hope there are no more von Karma penalty-traps this time. The binoculars piercing through the fog doesn't make any sense, but the game won't let me object with just "Duh!"

Yer right. It was a cold night, and the mist was thick as grits.



So? How could you see Edgeworth!?

Now, just hold your horses for a second!


Sound: Realization

Defense attorneys have trouble with that as it is.
Sound: Realization

(Nobody loves me...)



So, once I was finished setting up my camera, I got back in the car.



Your "camera"...?

Yeah. It's got an automatic...





The camera has nothing to do with this at all!

The fact that you're objecting tells me otherwise, but I suppose we'll get there eventually.



Objection sustained.





Still, I brought my binoculars with me.



"Binoculars"?

Yeah, binoculars.



Well... yeah.


Sound: Desk Slam

Wouldn't you need a telescope, not binoculars, for that?

...!
Sound: Stab

I've got doubts about your camera, too!





The camera is irrelevant to this case!

You can't say that for certain!

Hmm... Mr. Wright.

Is the camera really relevant to this case?



But know this!



Well, Mr. Wright?



Well that seems like an obvious means of progression, but we have one more line to press on first.

Okay, Your Honor... I withdraw my question.

(I have to remember who I'm dealing with!)



(I think I'll hang back for now and see what happens.)

Hah!

Karma seems happy that we backed off there. Don't worry, we'll be back.



When I heard that noise out on the lake, I looked with my binoculars.





What do you mean?

Even binoculars can't see through fog!



Er...

I did... yeah.
Sound: Realization


Sound: Fwa-Shing 2

Enough!



(Hmm. She sounded pretty doubtful to me!)

(But... I have to find a clear contradiction first.)

Nothing really stands out there, so let's go back to pressing hard on the camera.



Luckily pressing multiple times typically just repeats the same dialogue, bringing us back to this prompt.

(This is make-it-or-break-it time!)


Sound: Desk Slam

The camera is of utmost importance, Your Honor.

It is, perhaps, the key to this entire case!


Sound: Objection

(Wow! Maybe I went a little overboard there...)


Sound: Gavel

Very well!



So do we get an updated line here, or a whole new testimony? We're still hearing the testimony music.

Yeah, yeah, I hear ya.





Well. That makes our decision rather obvious. Still, I'll press first.



Ms. Hart.

What made you choose that lake to photograph meteors?



Yeah, well... Y'see, I...





Objection! You're making my witness look bad!

Mr. Wright!



Oh, never mind, you're making her look worse yourself.

Now wait a minute!
Sound: Light Bulb



Grr...

No unnecessary comments, please.



I can't even pretend this one is worth stopping to ask for input.



This is not a camera setup for taking pictures of a meteor shower.

Music: Silence





Music: Objection!

S-says who!?
Sound: Light Bulb


Sound: Desk Slam

I saw the camera you set up yesterday.

It was pointed directly at the lake!


Sound: Objection

You know, I got so hung up on the camera being set up to take pictures after a loud noise, I completely missed this aspect of its setup. Guess I kind of got lucky there.

Ooof!
Sound: Stab


Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel

Mr. Wright! What are you driving at?
Sound: Whack



...!



I have a pretty good idea, but this way seems more fun.

Well... that I don't know.
Sound: Realization





Music: Silence



Yeah, this contradiction doesn't seem all that relevant to her saying she saw Edgeworth. We're just trying to hang on a little longer.

This has nothing to do with the case!



That sounds like a challenge.


Sound: Fwa-Shing 2

Mr. Wright...



Music: Objection!

(Uh oh... I can't let the trial end like this!)

(I have to show them something!)

quote:

If we had picked "Show evidence" above, we would have just skipped the previous scene and moved right into the next one.



Looks like we have a penalty coming up. There seem to have been more penalties outside of the usual messed-up cross this time around already. We're in the endgame now.



I'm not sure why this line is attributed to Phoenix, but the judge's lips didn't twitch here.



There's really only one thing of interest at the lake.




Sound: Desk Slam

Ms. Hart.



quote:

Let's show him our badge!




Sound: Desk Slam

Well, Your Honor? What do you think?

I... think I'm confused.
Sound: Realization

Wrong again, Mr. Wright. So very wrong.

You can't get through this one with your weak bluffs!

Y-Your Honor!

Enough playing around! Here's the real evidence!

"Enough playing around" is my line, Mr. Wright!
Sound: Damage 2

There's that penalty. We're still allowed to try again, though.

Uh...

What's this? A newspaper article?


Sound: Realization

Ah, the sighting at Gourd Lake...

Well, Ms. Hart?


Sound: Whack



"Proof" might be a bit strong of a word for what we have.

Well, I don't have proof...
Sound: Realization




Sound: Whack

I've had enough of baseless claims made without a hair of evidence to support them!



Hey it's finally our turn to object to something.


Sound: Desk Slam


Sound: Objection

Mr. Wright! Are you sure about this?
Sound: Whack



(Or... did he taunt me so I'd get mad and make a mistake?)
Sound: Whoops

quote:

Going straight to saying we have proof is just a tad quicker:

I have it! Proof!

Hmm... Intriguing!

Either way, we continue...



Another penalty coming up if we're wrong here...

What is proof that the witness was trying to photograph Gourdy, the lake monster?



This choice isn't too difficult, either, but I've handled the last couple myself, so it's time for you all to weigh in. What's the proof?

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?
Attorney's badge

GilliamYaeger
Jan 10, 2012

Call Gespenst!


Look at this photograph.

The photo I took...?

Every time I do it makes me laugh.

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



...it surely can't be the camera again, seeing as Wright asserted it was pointed at the lake...?

Zulily Zoetrope
Jun 1, 2011

Muldoon
No, I think this is the actual time we want to present the camera, but because of the microphone setup.

apostateCourier
Oct 9, 2012


Meteor showers aren't audible at ground level, right?

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

apostateCourier posted:

Meteor showers aren't audible at ground level, right?

Short of Chicxulub-tier events, they're as silent as a sneaking Phantom Thief*. They're too high in the atmosphere for sound to reach down to ground level.

* EDIT: a competent one

Omobono fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Apr 18, 2023

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

GilliamYaeger posted:

Every time I do it makes me laugh.

Ha, this reference is almost as dated as this game. :jj:

Foxfire_
Nov 8, 2010

Omobono posted:

Short of Chicxulub-tier events, they're as silent as a sneaking Phantom Thief*. They're too high in the atmosphere for sound to reach down to ground level.
:eng101: Chicxulub type ones are also kind of silent. The blast wave is supersonic, so if you're on the same continent, it's a quiet day right up until it smashes and/or vaporizes you

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
Lately I've been thinking about Karma giving Grogu from Star Wars: The Mandalorian a job offer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl0EI44nMXE

Grogu- [taps button on his mech suit] No. No. No.

Karma- That is what I want you to do for me in court, correct. Say yes or no for me, repeatedly, and drive the defense to distraction. So then, you understand?

Grogu- Yes. Yes. Yes.

Karma- Then you will come to work for me in such capacity?

Grogu- No. No. No.

Karma- [makes strange gesture] You will work for me.

Grogu- No. No. No.

Karma- What? Mind tricks don't work on you?

Grogu- No. No. No.

Karma- Then maybe this will. [ignites his red lightsaber and Sith lightning]

[Grogu calls upon his own Force powers and other allies, and they have a fight]

Sword_of_Dusk
Sep 30, 2018

Legendary Luminary
I really wish the game would properly label Manfred's text box with "von Karma". It just looks so odd seeing it say "Karma" when everyone else says the full thing.

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?

Sword_of_Dusk posted:

I really wish the game would properly label Manfred's text box with "von Karma". It just looks so odd seeing it say "Karma" when everyone else says the full thing.

Sure thing, Mr. of Dusk.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

Sword_of_Dusk posted:

I really wish the game would properly label Manfred's text box with "von Karma". It just looks so odd seeing it say "Karma" when everyone else says the full thing.

...I've never noticed that while playing, huh.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Omobono posted:

Short of Chicxulub-tier events, they're as silent as a sneaking Phantom Thief*.

Well, drat it, now I want to see Phoenix Wright defending Ren from Persona 5.

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?

Quackles posted:

Well, drat it, now I want to see Phoenix Wright defending Ren from Persona 5.

Done

Sword_of_Dusk
Sep 30, 2018

Legendary Luminary

...! posted:

Sure thing, Mr. of Dusk.

Doesn't quite work in English, eh? Words can be surprisingly interesting.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Sword_of_Dusk posted:

Doesn't quite work in English, eh? Words can be surprisingly interesting.

....

"It's a pleasure to meet you, Mr. The Bear."
"Phoenix! Call me Smokey."

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost

Quackles posted:

....

"It's a pleasure to meet you, Mr. The Bear."
"Phoenix! Call me Smokey."

"Now, about all these murders you're accused of."

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



davidspackage posted:

"Now, about all these murders you're accused of."

Only who can prevent homicides?

Omobono
Feb 19, 2013

That's it! No more hiding in tomato crates! It's time to show that idiota Germany how a real nation fights!

For pasta~! CHARGE!

Foxfire_ posted:

:eng101: Chicxulub type ones are also kind of silent. The blast wave is supersonic, so if you're on the same continent, it's a quiet day right up until it smashes and/or vaporizes you

"Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound, if it's so loud it vaporizes anyone who hears it?"

NullBlack
Oct 29, 2011

I'm as confused as you are.

Foxfire_ posted:

:eng101: Chicxulub type ones are also kind of silent. The blast wave is supersonic, so if you're on the same continent, it's a quiet day right up until it smashes and/or vaporizes you

which suggests the one's we're looking for are somewhere in the middle, like the Chelyabinsk meteor: large enough to explode with a shockwave, not so large that said shockwave kills those it hits

DKII
Oct 21, 2010

Part 90: Episode 4, Day 2, Trial: Gourdy





This automated camera set up is clearly looking for Gourdy.





...!
Sound: Stab

Your camera was set to take photos in response to loud noises, correct?



You know, why is there only a photo of one of the gunshots? Or did they just both look the same?

...



According to this article...


Sound: Realization


Sound: Desk Slam

Well?

You were trying to photograph Gourdy, weren't you!


Sound: Objection

quote:

Not many picked up on it, but there are actually two solutions to this riddle! The article itself can also be used as proof, tying the loud noise from the article to the camera setup in the opposite order:




Sound: Desk Slam

The proof is this article about Gourdy the lake monster!

...!
Sound: Stab

According to this article...

(The article is displayed here, and for the next line.)

When Gourdy breaks through the water, it makes a loud noise!

Which is why you set up your camera with that microphone!

You had it set to respond to loud noises!
Sound: Realization

And that's how you got this picture when the pistol fired!
Sound: Objection

quote:

All other options are incorrect and incur a penalty:



Here's my proof! It's simple!

...

If it's simple... then why have you obviously made an error, Mr. Wright?

Urk...?
Sound: Light Bulb

What's that!?
Sound: Realization

Go home. Consider a career change.
Sound: Realization

(Gah!)
Sound: Stab

(How can they so casually toss aside this eviden... Oh. Whoops. Wrong evidence.)
Sound: Damage 2

Luckily for you, I'm in a patient mood, Mr. Wright. One more time please.

I guess Phoenix gave the penalty to himself there. I like the implication that this choice is so simple that the only way to get it wrong is to pick the wrong evidence by accident. Anyway, we do get to try again, assuming we haven't run our health bar dry.


Sound: Gallery


Sound: Gavel

Order! Order!

I see...



(Yeah, sure!)
Sound: Whoops

Well, Ms. Hart?


Sound: Desk Slam



...

Yeah.
Sound: Realization

Music: Silence



So, smart boy, I was down there trying to photograph Gourdy, you got me.

So what?

Huh...?
Sound: Light Bulb
Sound: Realization

Both sound effects play at once there. It's kind of weird, actually.

Music: Suspense



I think I've figured out where this is going. We're going to establish that the camera was automatic, so she wasn't actually awake watching the lake, and thus didn't see anything at all? Or maybe the first gunshot really did wake her up so she could see the second one?

Exactly!

What you just used several precious minutes of our time to prove...



H-hey!
Sound: Super Shock



It changes nothing!

(Not true!)



(But what could it have been...?)

(Whatever it is, I'm getting to the bottom of this!)

Ms. Hart.



Please revise your testimony.

...

Music: Silence


Sound: Realization

(Something will change... It has to!)

(And I'm going to spot it!)

...




Sound: Testimony 2

Music: Questioning - Allegro

We've hit Allegro! Time to finish off Ms. Hart!

Actually, I'm not a research student at a university.

I'm an investigative photographer.



That's why I was camping out by the lake.

But, that's all I was hiding.


Sound: Weak Gunshot

There wasn't much else to look at, so I just watched that boat the whole time.


Sound: Weak Gunshot

I was looking right at that boat, the whole time, cross my heart and hope to fry.



Not seeing a lot there, we'll just have to press hard and see what shakes out.

Music: Silence

Hmm...

Well, Mr. Wright. You may cross-examine the witness.



The witness's testimony is unchanged from before!




Sound: Fwa-Shing 2

Music: Suspense



It might just be me, but Karma's coming off a little desperate here. Objecting to all of our presses is one thing, but trying to keep us from crossing at all? Get outta here.

Er... hmm.




Sound: Desk Slam



(von Karma's up to something, I know it!)



There has to be something. All of Karma's objections have been trying to keep us from getting to this point.



Very well. You may begin the cross-examination.



Hah! That would be a first!

(Hah hah, very funny.)
Sound: Realization



I kind of figured that when we heard Allegro earlier, yes.

If there is no problem with the testimony this time, we will let the witness leave.

I will announce my verdict at that time, Mr. Wright.

Understood?



Yes, Your Honor.

Music: Silence




Sound: Testimony 2

Music: Questioning - Allegro



(I won't be able to beat von Karma any other way...)

(There has to be something!)



Actually, I'm not a research student at a university.




Sound: Desk Slam

Then what manner of person are you!?





One down with nothing interesting, seven more lines to go...

I'm an investigative photographer.



An "investigative photographer"?

Yep.





N' guess what!
Sound: Whack

Umm... what?


Sound: Objection

A "yoofoh"...?
Sound: Realization

You know, an "Unidentified Flying Object"? A yoofoh!

Ugh, a UFO. I can't say I've ever tried to pronounce that acronym as a word before.



I knew I should become an investigative photographer!

I... I see.

(Kind of a shaky basis for a career...)



Imagine what a scoop it'd be if I got a picture of that monster!



Is "Gourdy" really all that newsworthy?

Heck yeah! They even had him up on the TV!
Sound: Whack



(Last month's segment was "Bigfoot Sighted on Acorn Hill," I believe.)

I bet Lotta was camped out at Acorn Hill after that one, too.


Sound: Damage 2
Sound: Whack

Mr. Wright.



Let's keep moving, shall we?

Yes, Your Honor.

Yeah, not making any headway there. We need to make some progress... somewhere.



That's why I was camping out by the lake.





Yep. Borrowed it from a university professor.



It snaps a shot.

Yep.

So, how many pictures has it taken so far?



(Hmm...)

Well, there goes my theory about there being multiple incidents. I'm working on a new theory - the first "bang" was Gourdy rising from the lake, and the second "bang" was Gourdy shooting the victim. And Lotta (and the camera) didn't see Gourdy because it was behind Edgeworth, making it look like Edgeworth had fired instead?



But, that's all I was hiding.



I think it's time you told us why you felt you had to hide your true purpose at the lake.



Competitors...?


Sound: Objection

Ah...

Is that the only reason you were hiding the truth?

W-well, actually...





(Whatever you say, von Karma. I know you told her to keep quiet.)

If that's the worst Karma can throw at us, we're in the clear.



When I heard the "bang" I looked right straight out at that lake.



Exactly what sort of sound was it?



I have no idea why Gourdy rising from the lake would sound like a gunshot. But I don't have any better ideas yet.

It was a lot sharper a sound than I would have expected.

(Hmm...)



There wasn't much else to look at, so I just watched that boat the whole time.



There wasn't "much else to look at"?

Yep.



I kind of doubt she'd waste any time looking at a boat.)
Sound: Realization



(Definitely suspicious... Maybe it's time for some evidence...)

Witness! Continue.

Hold your hushpuppies, pops, I'm getting there.

I guess we've found the line with the contradiction. Nothing is really coming to mind, though.



Then I saw a flash, near one of the men's hands, and I heard another gunshot.



Was there nothing on the lake but the boat at that time?



Hoping more than thinking at this point.

I don't think so, nope.



That you could see, anyway. I'd kind of forgotten about this other witness. Maybe that person shot the victim from the boathouse (which wasn't visible from Lotta's campsite), and then planted the gun in the boat? But how did it get Edgeworth's prints on it...

(Hmm...)





Well, I'm pretty sure we present something here, but I didn't have a clear idea as to what to present at first. Here's our current evidence list:

Attorney's Badge - No one would believe I was a defense attorney if I didn't carry this.

Lotta's Camera - Set to automatically take a picture when a loud noise is detected. Faces the lake.

Robert's Autopsy Report - Time of death: sometime on the 24th or 25th. Cause: one bullet shot to the heart.

Lake Photo - Taken automatically on 12/25 at 12:15 AM.

Misty Fey's Photo - An old photograph. "DL-6 Incident - Exhibit A" is written on the back.

Gourdy Article - Article about a monster sighted at Gourd Lake.

Overhead Map - Overhead map of Gourd Lake.

Pistol Bullet - Found in the victim's body. The ballistic markings match the murder weapon's barrel.

Pistol - The murder weapon. .22-caliber. Fired 3 times. Bears prints from Edgeworth's right hand.

Reviewing the list didn't help me much, but writing up this update helped me figure something out. What do you think?

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
First thought- the gun’s notes say it was fired three times. So that’s established now? And Lotta says she spent a lot of time staring at the shooter. Maybe she can help us learn where those other two bullets that weren’t in the victim ended up.

Or maybe that’s a red herring. Maybe it doesn’t actually matter. So much going on in this case. It’s hard to keep up.

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Mainwaring
Jun 22, 2007

Disco is not dead! Disco is LIFE!



She said there wasn't a lot to look at so she just stared at the lake, but the camera has taken a photo, surely she would be looking at that if there wasn't anything on the lake.

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