Ukraine War: Berth El Buk

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Flavahbeast: Jul 21, 2001

He qualified his remarks a bit today: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/4/19/brazil-condemns-violation-of-ukraines-territory-amid-criticism

I think Lula's heart is in the right place, but I doubt he'll be any more successful at this than Macron has been

# ? Apr 19, 2023 03:12

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# ? May 29, 2024 17:04

Cthulu Carl: Apr 16, 2006

Sedgr posted:

Putin is a real piece of poo poo.

Whoa, careful now. poo poo fulfills an important role by returning nutrients to the ecosystem.

Also poop is funny.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 03:30

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

HonorableTB posted:

Also 4 Americans got charged with helping the Kremlin and pushing propaganda:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/04/18/russian-influence-florida-missouri/

So how long until Tucker Carlson gets the arrest that's coming to him?

# ? Apr 19, 2023 03:39

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

The meat assaults will continue until ground is gained

# ? Apr 19, 2023 05:38

zone: Dec 6, 2016

https://twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1648436703361896448

# ? Apr 19, 2023 05:42

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

The problem is the woke elements of the mobniks are too busy figuring out which pronoun to use that they can't fight the ukrainians effectively.

Putin needs to toughen up the men. Preferrably by removing artillery coverage so they can harden up

# ? Apr 19, 2023 06:02

Von Pluring: Sep 19, 2003; Zelensky's Zealots; Pork Pro

Cthulu Carl posted:

Whoa, careful now. poo poo fulfills an important role by returning nutrients to the ecosystem.

Also poop is funny.

Uh, to each their own. poo poo is not really funny after you're like 8.

But while on the subject, putin is a real tremors-having sack of poo poo and a goddamn monkey at the same time.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 06:59

HonorableTB: Dec 22, 2006

Von Pluring posted:

Uh, to each their own. poo poo is not really funny after you're like 8.

But while on the subject, putin is a real tremors-having sack of poo poo and a goddamn monkey at the same time.

putin fell down the stairs and shitted his pants and we should lol

# ? Apr 19, 2023 07:02

Von Pluring: Sep 19, 2003; Zelensky's Zealots; Pork Pro

HonorableTB posted:

putin fell down the stairs and shitted his pants and we should lol

I will lol at that though.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 07:03

Drone_Fragger: May 9, 2007

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

The problem is the woke elements of the mobniks are too busy figuring out which pronoun to use that they can't fight the ukrainians effectively.

Putin needs to toughen up the men. Preferrably by removing artillery coverage so they can harden up

Toughen the mobiks up by sending them all back to russia for toughness training, ideally all at the same time (for effeciency) and they should let Ukraine know the times.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 07:55

Strategic Tea: Sep 1, 2012

*BLOOD*

*HONOUR*

*SKULL LOGO :bioware:

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Which 20th century baddie do we have here? Anyone? Ohhh, no, so close but I'm afraid the answer is Progressive Socialists.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 08:05

poor waif: Apr 8, 2007; Kaboom

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

The problem is the woke elements of the mobniks are too busy figuring out which pronoun to use that they can't fight the ukrainians effectively.

Putin needs to toughen up the men. Preferrably by removing artillery coverage so they can harden up

Helicopter parenting too, why should they need air support when others make do without?

Maybe it's all down to the participation trophies, every single soldier who occupied Crimea in 2014 got a medal, just for being there.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 08:11

Drone_Fragger: May 9, 2007

Storkrasch posted:

Helicopter parenting too, why should they need air support when others make do without?

Maybe it's all down to the participation trophies, every single soldier who occupied Crimea in 2014 got a medal, just for being there.

Excuse me sir, the fsb just called to remind you that there wasnt any, and never were, any russian troops in crimea. It was an entirely spontaneous uprising from the local populace, many of whom happened to find discarded russian special ops equipment simply lying around.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 08:48

zone: Dec 6, 2016

Storkrasch posted:

Helicopter parenting too, why should they need air support when others make do without?

Maybe it's all down to the participation trophies, every single soldier who occupied Crimea in 2014 got a medal, just for being there.

Igor had to sell his in an auction because he went broke after being cashiered out of the FSB.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 08:50

Dwesa: Jul 19, 2016; Maybe I'll go where I can see stars

Eh, how much larger? When there will be gas chambers?

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1648550581508636672

# ? Apr 19, 2023 09:07

Set: Oct 30, 2005

Flavahbeast posted:

Thats pretty bonkers. And these are from Ukrainians who sent their children willingly to the "two week" camp in occupied Crimea, these are presumably not families who were particularly anti-Russian before all this happened

Sadly it follows similar stories told by others who have managed to escape. In this case their family was living in occupied Beryslav, and Vitaly and his schoolmates were given the opportunity to visit a camp with the promise that they would be able to relax and get away from the war. There are more details in this short report from the Save Ukraine NGO, which is the organization that managed to return Vitaly and others back to Ukraine. Note, there are mentions of violence and sexual assault in this short text that is absent from the Yle article so click further with caution: https://saveukraineua.org/tpost/yklnfuv1u1-vitaly-saw-bruises-on-some-of-his-peers
But to put it short, the two first weeks went fine as promised, then they were moved to another camp which was a lot worse, for the reminder of the time before the rescue. During this time their old home was liberated, making it even harder to keep contact and lowering even more the will from the Russian side to actually let the children leave.

As to why parents would willingly send their children to a summer camp organized by a occupying nation? As you mentioned, they may have been friendly with Russia to begin with, or like mentioned in this El Pais article, they just wanted to get their children as far as possible from the front line. Disclaimer that the while the article itself does not contain overtly shocking material beyond text, I can not guarantee that other articles linked within may not contain such material: https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-03-28/the-missing-ukrainian-children-of-the-russian-invasion.html

In general I would say that a lot of these cases seem to be normal people, for whom the government and flag suddenly changed, and as they could not do anything about it they just attempted to go in with their lives as normally as possible. Then when the new management for their kid's school promises a vacation away from what everyday life has become, they accept it, either because they want to keep their children safe or because the kids themselves are super excited for the opportunity. In Vitaly's and the children from Beryslav's case, the time before the bus left for camp was really short after they announced it, so nobody really had time to think about it either.

Here is a link to an article I translated earlier this year, about a father and his journey to get back his children after they were separated in the "filtration camps" outside Mariupol: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=4016636&pagenumber=393&perpage=40#post529759543

This entire war is monstrous, but these kidnappings are really loving horrible even compared to the rest.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 10:09

Strategic Tea: Sep 1, 2012

The cruelty is the point - humans love cruelty and will jump through hoops to justify it rather than admit to themselves how monstrous they are.

Have a mobik kidnap a child and they belong to you for life (see also - terrorist and organised crime indoctrination techniques)

# ? Apr 19, 2023 10:42

Set: Oct 30, 2005

Russian ships have been sighted quite clearly looking for vulnerabilities in civilian infrastructure in the Baltic Sea, and near Britain and Norway. Power and internet cables are extremely vulnerable, and them being damaged can both literally and figuratively leave millions in a black-out, making them a high priority target in either an all-out war between Russia and the Western nations or as a way to terrorize and threaten the nations who rely on these connections staying intact.

This is a Yle article on Russian ship activity and information gathering up in the Nordics. The article itself does not contain any shocking imagery nor text, but clicking further on Yle's webpages may lead you to such material.

Author: Maria Bonnor
Release date: 19.04.23
Link to untranslated article: https://yle.fi/a/74-20027675

quote:

A Russian ship delayed near wind farms in the Baltic Sea - it's about mapping weak points in electricity distribution, experts say

Russian ships have surveyed, among other things, the electrical cables of wind turbines located at sea. According to experts, the goal of this information acquisition is at worst sabotage.

Description of video contents: The Russian research vessel Admiral Vladimirsky sits in the water, with its AIS-transponder turned off. An armed guard can be seen, as well as several onlookers looking at the Danish journalists' boat circling them.

Russian military and civilian ships are moving in the Baltic Sea and the North Sea, mapping the critical infrastructure of the seabed. The object of interest are gas pipes, telecommunications cables and especially wind farms and their electrical cables.

Russian intelligence activities were revealed when the Nordic broadcasting companies DR, NRK, SVT and Yle investigated the radio traffic and location information of Russian ships sailing in the area.

According to experts, Russia's goal is to acquire information that would allow it to sabotage the electricity distribution of Northwestern Europe.

Russian intelligence activities are discussed in the three-part documentary War of the Shadows, the first episode of which will be shown on TV1 on Wednesday, April 19.

Ships move at sea with their AIS transmitters turned off

In November 2022, radio traffic intercepted by the Russians revealed to Danish journalists that the ocean research vessel Admiral Vladimirsky was moving in the Kattegat Strait.

There was no official information on the matter, as the ship had turned off its AIS transmitter.

The AIS system is used to identify ships and determine their location, so shutting off the transmitter suggested concealment or mischief.

The reporters went to look for the vessel in the place where it was moving based on encrypted radio traffic. That's also where it was found.

Masked men were moving around on the deck of the 148-meter research vessel. One of them had a uniform, a bulletproof vest and an assault rifle. The journalists' boat was observed and photographed from the deck.

Based on radio traffic, the Admiral Vladimirsky is by no means the only Russian ship that wants to keep its movements secret.

Description of video contents: A cool strategic display map showing the travels of the Admiral Vladimirsky, showing how it during its 6 month voyage surveyed at least 7 wind energy parks on the coasts of the Netherlands, Great Britain as well as Denmark.

Intercepted radio traffic also revealed the route Admiral Vladimirsky sailed during the month. It traveled along the Baltic Sea and through the Danish straits to the North Sea.

The ship slowed down at the wind farms off Scotland. The trip continued to the south, near the English Channel, where large offshore wind farms are also located.

On the way back, it went past the power plants built on the northern coast of the Netherlands and in the Kattegat Strait.

Admiral Vladimirsky's route was investigated and analyzed by former intelligence officer "James" of the British Navy (Editors note: lol). He does not appear in the program under his own name to protect his privacy.

James estimated that the reconnaissance carried out by the ship was one of Russia's first visible attempts to find out how it could disrupt electricity production and distribution in Western Europe.

- Russia is looking for vulnerabilities that provide it with economic weapons. What would happen if all of Copenhagen suddenly went dark? Or the London Stock Exchange?

A former intelligence officer says that the Admiral Vladimirsky and other warships send the information they collect to the Russian intelligence system.

It is used, among other things, by GUGI, the main administration for deep sea research of the Ministry of Defense.

It is one of the most secretive units of the Russian Ministry of Defense, whose job description also includes military intelligence. GUGI maps, among other things, underwater infrastructure and the opponent's underwater surveillance systems, and prepares to destroy them.

The troop department operating under the unit is stationed in St. Petersburg and Murmansk.

Hundreds of civilian ships available for use by the Russian Navy

The reporters also investigated the movements of Russian ships moving in Norwegian territorial waters. They went through the AIS data of several hundred ships from 2013.

The survey revealed 50 vessels whose movements appeared to be intelligence activities. The ships had sailed, for example, over oil and gas fields or in the vicinity of NATO exercises.

According to Russian legislation, the navy can take civilian ships and their crews into use in wartime conditions. This means, for example, fishing, transport and research vessels.

Lecturer St�le Ulriksen from the Norwegian Defense Academy estimates that several hundred civilian ships are available. According to Ulriksen, the biggest threat is mines.

- It is quite easy to lay mines from a civilian ship in strategic places. If the plans have been made and there are a couple of hundred vessels available, they can be placed where they want them, says Ulriksen.

A trawler named Taurus stood out among the vessels observed by the reporters. It is owned by Norebo, which is one of the world's largest fishing groups. It is headed by Russian oligarch Vitaly Orlov.

Taurus' home port is Murmansk, but according to AIS data, it visited the ports of northern Norway significantly more often than Russia. In less than ten years, Taurus visited Norwegian ports 51 times, but only 34 times had fish in the cargo.

For example, in the fall of 2018, instead of the northern fishing waters, Taurus headed south, to �lesund in Western Norway. A NATO exercise of 50,000 soldiers organized in central Norway fell along the route.

At the beginning of last December, Taurus left Tromssa. It was on its way to the Barents Sea, even though there was almost a month until the beginning of the fishing season.

Taurus postponed its departure several times. It also canceled the pilot boat it had ordered, even though there was heavy fog.

While flying through the Gr�tsund strait to the open sea, it passed the Americans' new, almost silent nuclear submarine. It had come to restock before heading across the Atlantic back home.

Description of video contents: Some more cool strategic maps as well as real footage showing the harbor in Tromssa, where the Russian trawler Taurus wanted to have a peek at the US nuclear sub USS South Dakota.

Last summer, Russia updated its national maritime policy guidance document, or maritime doctrine.

It emphasizes the threat created by NATO's expansion, says Ville V�nsk�, commander of Suomenlinna's coastal regiment. The main enemy is the United States. Russia has also strengthened its military presence in the Black Sea and the Arctic region.

A bomb placed on undersea cables would stop the supply of electricity

We were reminded of the vulnerability of the seabed infrastructure last fall, when an unknown party blew up the Nord Stream gas pipelines running on the bottom of the Baltic Sea.

Along with gas and telecommunication cables, the electrical cables of wind power parks are also vulnerable.

Independent British naval analyst H. I. Sutton is sure that Russia sent Admiral Vladimirsky specifically to study the seabed. You can easily find out the location and size of wind farms even from satellite images.

- Wind power parks have their weak points. Beneath them are bundles of cables, where a placed bomb would cripple the transmission of electricity to the mainland, says Sutton.

- It suggests that Russia is interested in seabed warfare and the possibility of sabotaging infrastructure.

Cutting the power lines would affect, for example, the operation of hospitals, economic life and communication between people, says Tobias Liebetrau, a researcher familiar with seabed infrastructure from the University of Copenhagen.

� If the energy or communication infrastructure located on the seabed is destroyed, part of the country's or society's activities may come to a standstill.

Embassies and shipping companies rarely comment

Public broadcasting companies asked the Russian embassies in Helsinki, Oslo, Copenhagen and Stockholm to comment on the main critical aspects of the War of the Shadows series.

The Russian embassy in Denmark was contacted numerous times, but neither it nor the Russian Ministry of Defense commented on information related to Admiral Vladimirsky.

Only the Oslo ambassador commented by email.

"The work of research projects is coordinated through diplomatic channels and is in accordance with international legislation," writes ambassador Teymuraz Ramishvili.

According to him, Russian trawlers operate in Norwegian territorial waters in accordance with local and international rules.

Last year, 122 Russian fishing vessels operated in Norwegian waters. They have permission to use three ports in northern Norway, which are Troms�, B�tsfjord and Kirkkoniemi.

Many shipping companies also failed to respond to messages sent by journalists.

However, a representative of Norebo, which owns Taurus, assures by email that the company complies with international legislation. According to the shipping company, the claims about intelligence connections are untrue and border on political paranoia.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 11:09

Shaman Tank Spec: Dec 26, 2003; *blep*

Set posted:

Russian ships have been sighted quite clearly looking for vulnerabilities in civilian infrastructure in the Baltic Sea, and near Britain and Norway. Power and internet cables are extremely vulnerable, and them being damaged can both literally and figuratively leave millions in a black-out, making them a high priority target in either an all-out war between Russia and the Western nations or as a way to terrorize and threaten the nations who rely on these connections staying intact.

Business as usual. In case some people don't know, they have also built powerful GPS jammer stations at the edge of their waters, as close to Finland as possible, and have used them to directly attack commercial civilian flights going in and out of Helsinki, thus putting thousands of civilians at risk. And this with no actual real world justification. If there's ever a conflict between the west and Russia that exists outside Putin's head, poo poo's going to get real bad immediately.

Let's hear again about how they totally weren't the ones who blew up the Nordstream pipes, though, and how it was trained CIA dolphins with moon lasers, really.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 11:43

Set: Oct 30, 2005

Shaman Tank Spec posted:

Business as usual. In case some people don't know, they have also built powerful GPS jammer stations at the edge of their waters, as close to Finland as possible, and have used them to directly attack commercial civilian flights going in and out of Helsinki, thus putting thousands of civilians at risk. And this with no actual real world justification. If there's ever a conflict between the west and Russia that exists outside Putin's head, poo poo's going to get real bad immediately.

Let's hear again about how they totally weren't the ones who blew up the Nordstream pipes, though, and how it was trained CIA dolphins with moon lasers, really.

That is a really good article!

I had translated an article about how the GPS jamming most likely originates from the Russian military outpost in Suursaari, just 40 km from Finlands largest container port in Kotka. It is the second article in this post: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=1&threadid=4026289&pagenumber=30&perpage=40#post530348489 for those who might be interested in reading more about the topic.

For me the clearest indication of that Nordstream was a Russian job, is the "not touching you!" part with it being just on the edge of international waters. That is exactly the same type of poo poo as loving with civilian flight GPS just because they can.

By the way, the first of three parts of a documentary about this topic just released on Yle (and most likely on SVT and all other Nordic public broadcasting websites) for those interested! It is linked in the Yle article I just translated. The Yle version sadly only has Finnish and Swedish subtitles, which is a real shame because this is a topic that doesn't seem to really get much discussion outside the Nordics.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 12:00

All You Can Eat: Aug 27, 2004; Abundance is the dullest desire.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

The meat assaults will continue until ground is gained

# ? Apr 19, 2023 13:07

Strategic Tea: Sep 1, 2012

Just storm the ships and give the irreplaceable 20+ intelligence officer crew life sentences for sabotage.

"Well you didn't declare it was a warship, no I'm pretty sure they're just independent criminals look all their passports are Brazilian"

# ? Apr 19, 2023 13:08

Cartoon Man: Jan 31, 2004

https://www.the-sun.com/news/7908675/vladimir-putin-mystery-neck-scar-rumours-thyroid-cancer/

# ? Apr 19, 2023 14:10

R.L. Stine: Oct 19, 2007; welcome to dead gay dog house

i've never seen that man with any other facial expression and now he's gonna get wax all over his hand from holding that skinny rear end candle

# ? Apr 19, 2023 14:21

Tigey: Apr 6, 2015

He should spend less on candles

# ? Apr 19, 2023 15:09

Dapper_Swindler: Feb 14, 2012; Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

zone posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gstb2pdoIpA

New intercepts dropped. First one is a call from a mobik in the occupied Kharkiv region who slowly came to the realization that maybe he was fooled into fighting an unjust war for Putler's ambitions. But what he doesn't get that if not for Russian help, there wouldn't have been a civil war in the Donbass in the first place. The people just weren't interested until Strelkov and friends came along to kick it off, as one might remember from the other intercept of a high ranking officer-collaborator in the separatist forces who was responsible for attempting local organization of subversive elements. The second intercept was caught in early March of this year, and details a Russian soldier talking to his wife from the Luhansk region. He complains that incompetent officers get promotions on the backs of the suffering of the common soldiery, and then details a fairly brutal system with which the Russian military provides medical treatment to the wounded. Apparently there are so many badly wounded being brought to the hospitals in the rear, that unless you have absolutely life threatening injuries like brain injuries, you'll simply be forced to wait for days at a time until you're actually seen to, which results in a large number of amputations as the wounded limbs are by then beyond salvage.

for description of casualties mostly in the second one.

i am sorry but how is any "great power" like this these days. like i am pretty sure china and definetly the US don't have pre ww1 level conditions for soldiers. like yeah officers will often always been pricks on some level but if i sent this kinda poo poo into games workshop for dumb grimdark writing, they would say its too stupid.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 15:19

Ronwayne: Nov 20, 2007; That warm and fuzzy feeling.

For comparison, I think the U.S. military logistics system was able to get wounded out of Iraq to Germany for emergency surgery in a matter of hours after stabilizing them locally.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 15:39

IAMNOTADOCTOR: Sep 26, 2013

Cartoon Man posted:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/7908675/vladimir-putin-mystery-neck-scar-rumours-thyroid-cancer/

That's dumb, that not where you'd normally find a thyroidectomy scar. Moreover, even if he had thyroid cancer chances are it would not affect his life expectancy.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 15:46

Splorange: Feb 23, 2011

zone posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gstb2pdoIpA
Apparently there are so many badly wounded being brought to the hospitals in the rear, that unless you have absolutely life threatening injuries like brain injuries, you'll simply be forced to wait for days at a time until you're actually seen to, which results in a large number of amputations as the wounded limbs are by then beyond salvage.

Reading that bit at face value, it's triage done totally backwards that just multiplies casualties. It can't be that stupid, he must be explaining it wrong.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 16:03

Tai: Mar 8, 2006

Dunno why in 2023 there are big player countries who can't understand why your army needs good food, maintenance and good gear (thermals, good boots etc) and then wonder why you can't do gently caress all if invading countries is your thing. Not complaining. Get hosed putin

# ? Apr 19, 2023 16:07

Tai: Mar 8, 2006

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1648676387983695875

Russia needs to fire their entire propaganda team

# ? Apr 19, 2023 16:10

Wee: Dec 16, 2022; by Fluffdaddy

https://twitter.com/michael_brodsk/status/1645798836559036417

# ? Apr 19, 2023 16:12

the holy poopacy: May 16, 2009; hey! check this out; Fun Shoe

Tai posted:

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1648676387983695875

Russia needs to fire their entire propaganda team

So is the European economy cratering from inflation or not??? Make up your mind, people!

# ? Apr 19, 2023 16:20

GABA ghoul: Oct 29, 2011

Cartoon Man posted:

https://www.the-sun.com/news/7908675/vladimir-putin-mystery-neck-scar-rumours-thyroid-cancer/

Hell yeah, taking that specific mental illness that makes you interpret digital image artifacts as parts of lizardpeople physiology mainstream

# ? Apr 19, 2023 16:22

Cthulu Carl: Apr 16, 2006

Von Pluring posted:

Uh, to each their own. poo poo is not really funny after you're like 8.

Agree to disagree

# ? Apr 19, 2023 16:27

GABA ghoul: Oct 29, 2011

Ukraine Thread: the sun is giving Putin's nussy a close checkup

# ? Apr 19, 2023 16:36

Molothecat: Jul 25, 2007; Wrath, hate, pain, and death!

I, for one, am glad that so many goons have the moral fortitude to stand in defense of an invading, raping mob of criminals and make sure no one says mean things about them. Doodoo jokes? References to hateful armies of fictional creatures? Who's the real monster here?

It's a slippery slope, and I'm glad that so many goons are on that wall, protecting us from ourselves.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 16:39

Shaman Tank Spec: Dec 26, 2003; *blep*

Tai posted:

Dunno why in 2023 there are big player countries who can't understand why your army needs good food, maintenance and good gear (thermals, good boots etc) and then wonder why you can't do gently caress all if invading countries is your thing. Not complaining. Get hosed putin

I'm sure they understand. They just care more about stealing money to pay for their luxury yacht or summer house. It's someone else's problem if mobiks die with cardboard bulletproof vests or from eating moldy and rotting MREs. Or, "I'll just steal a little bit. Then I'll boot the rest down to the guy below me, and he'll buy the stuff, there's still plenty of money left", repeated ad infinitum and then you end up with spray painted airsoft gear.

E: it probably also doesn't help to serve in armed forces where you face a very real danger of getting assassinated by your superiors or president if you do your job too well and become too popular, for being a threat to their power. At that point gently caress it, just steal as much as you can and try to live a life of luxury while you can. What are they gonna do to you if they catch you? Throw in you jail? When the alternative is polonium poisoning at an insane dictator's whim?

Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Apr 19, 2023

# ? Apr 19, 2023 16:40

A Festivus Miracle: Dec 19, 2012; I have come to discourse on the profound inequities of the American political system.

Ukraine's in this bizarre place where it had a few years of slightly less than utter dogshit time with fascism, and several centuries of dogshit rule from Moscow, and then a century of actively genocidal rule by communists from Moscow.

If you ever wanna hear some pretty warped politics, talk to a Ukranian immigrant for a while. I had a Ukranian roommate (from Odessa, worked as an engineer for my states DOT), who simultaneously liked Putin (this was pre invasion), hated communists, thought the Nazis "weren't so bad" and also hated Trump. I'm not entirely sure where I would even out him on the political spectrum, but it was somewhere far outside the norm of US politics.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 16:46

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# ? May 29, 2024 17:04

Toxic Mental: Jun 1, 2019

There are a lot of right wingers in Europe who hate Donald Trump because of no other reason than he's American and a Republican who seems to support big military spending, which is antithetically to right wing ideology. The whole "classically liberal" and "classically conservative" thing being flipped/originalist there.

# ? Apr 19, 2023 16:48

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