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HARDEST kong to ESCAPE from
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Donkey Kong 8 4.88%
Diddy Kong 3 1.83%
Dixie Kong 8 4.88%
Funky Kong 49 29.88%
Chunky Kong 8 4.88%
Bluster Kong 5 3.05%
Lanky Kong (demanded by Cheetah) 53 32.32%
Max Castillo 6 3.66%
Billy Mitchell 18 10.98%
Steve Wiebe 6 3.66%
Total: 164 votes
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ChickenHeart
Nov 28, 2007

Take me at your own risk.

Kiss From a Hog

FlowerRhythmREMIX posted:

Hedgehogs are cute, is what they are. Say hi to Ziggy Stardust (rip)



Ziggy looks like he deserves mealworms

give him the mealworms

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Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Boba Pearl posted:

The art right now is very samey unless you want Anime porn, so people want to say it'll never get better, because the alternative is terrifying.

it's hard to see stuff like what midjourney is capable of producing and not see the alternative hurtling towards me like a freight train. it'd be one thing if these improvements were the result of several years of hard labor, but the difference between the outputs at the start of this year and right now are an almost exponential increase in demonstrable functionality

part of the reason i've decided to go whole hog into gamedev is because it's hard for me to envisage a world where i can make a living off the already saturated commissions market when literally anyone with the necessary AI wrangling skills can churn out equivalent work in minutes to what would take me hours to do conventionally. there'll probably remain a niche market for specific art styles or prestige commissions, but i'm thinking that people who just want an anime version of their MMO character aren't gonna care too much about the provenance so long as it's cheap

dervival posted:

anyways the big thing I'm curious about with AI is if you could generally taint it (or all training sets) with shibboleths without marking all language with it. I can't think of any good way to do it with any sort of fidelity, especially with amount of proliferation that's already going on nowadays, but it would have been nice to have the equivalent of Gram-staining for the field.

i believe there's a few techniques out there that effectively "smear" an image so that AI scrapers won't properly register it as anything, although it both degrades the quality of the posted image and, i imagine, will end up requiring an escalating arms race as models are trained to work their way around the filters

Vermain fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Apr 19, 2023

Adam Bowen
Jan 6, 2003

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God drat this looks good, the other trailer looked good it was just a suspicious amount of walking slowly while some story poo poo seemed to be happening.

on a slightly related note, it sucks that Aggressive Inline never got the same respect that the Pro Skater games did. I loved that game so much and this trailer gives me some of the same vibes in addition to the JSR vibes.

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

Vermain posted:

i believe there's a few techniques out there that effectively "smear" an image so that AI scrapers won't properly register it as anything, although it both degrades the quality of the posted image and, i imagine, will end up requiring an escalating arms race as models are trained to work their way around the filters

I've seen this pop up a few times and is it legit? Cause the more I think about it, the more I see it as some sort of protection racket.

Adam Bowen
Jan 6, 2003

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Vermain posted:

part of the reason i've decided to go whole hog into gamedev is because it's hard for me to envisage a world where i can make a living off the already saturated commissions market when literally anyone with the necessary AI wrangling skills can churn out equivalent work in minutes to what would take me hours to do conventionally. there'll probably remain a niche market for specific art styles or prestige commissions, but i'm thinking that people who just want an anime version of their MMO character are gonna care too much about the provenance so long as it's cheap

That market will exist and there will be lots of "real human art only!" communities out there, but that market and those communities will mostly consist of people accusing each other of using AI and the accusations will usually be true.

ErrEff
Feb 13, 2012

AI April

Electric Phantasm
Apr 7, 2011

YOSPOS

ErrEff posted:

AI April

MayI

Boba Pearl
Dec 27, 2019

by Athanatos

Electric Phantasm posted:

I've seen this pop up a few times and is it legit? Cause the more I think about it, the more I see it as some sort of protection racket.

If you throw a paper texture on it, then you'll gently caress up the training data and you don't have to pay anyone for it.



There's also a paper pattern that looks fine at full resolution, but at 512 lines up to look incredibly awful.

Boba Pearl fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Apr 19, 2023

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord

Ask your mother.

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

Hwurmp posted:

what is a hedgehog

they are Erinaceids! which are more primitive than rodents and they're more closely related to shrews and moles!

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

a miserable pile of erinaceids

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

Adam Bowen posted:

That market will exist and there will be lots of "real human art only!" communities out there, but that market and those communities will mostly consist of people accusing each other of using AI and the accusations will usually be true.

Really not looking forward to to the final death of human art and creativity

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfFfuKFl2mA

Crypt of the Necrodancer + Guitar Hero + Punch Up

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

looking up stuff about hedgehogs also introduced me to their closest cousins, the gymnures or MOONRATS



it's so cute! :swoon:

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

Infinitum posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfFfuKFl2mA

Crypt of the Necrodancer + Guitar Hero + Punch Up

There's also a tiny bit of Rhythm Heaven

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvemPyOJZEY

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


Kerrzhe posted:

looking up stuff about hedgehogs also introduced me to their closest cousins, the gymnures or MOONRATS



it's so cute! :swoon:

Look up Australia Bilbies, Pygmy Possums, and Ringtail Possums

Enjoy

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal
What about a common brushtail possum

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Infinitum posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfFfuKFl2mA

Crypt of the Necrodancer + Guitar Hero + Punch Up

the art style is sick as hell and i love cadence's new outfit, might give this one a pickup

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

ALSO tomorrow both Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak and Wild Hearts are getting updates. sunbreak is getting Amatsu and Risen Shageru Magala, plus the usual anomaly and event quests and stuff. Wild Hearts is getting Deathhaze Gloombeak, and Serial Quests which are like a gauntlet style quest to try and kill as many monsters as fast as you can with fewer healing resources.

i actually have no interest in the sunbreak update and will be playing wild hearts instead! wow!

cheetah7071
Oct 20, 2010

honk honk
College Slice
AI is something where some of the dumbest people on the planet are super into it so people who want to distance themselves from techbros will trip over themselves with logical fallacies and misunderstandings to talk about how much they hate it and its all very frustrating that every conversation about it is either hyperbolically positive or hyperbolically dismissive

Thinking that AI is an extinction-level threat to the human race is legitimately a more nuanced take than the majority of what you see because reaching that conclusion requires you to have actually thought about the concepts involved at more than a surface level

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

So what's the WORST mammal (other than humans LOL)

Kerrzhe
Nov 5, 2008

Jay Rust posted:

So what's the WORST mammal (other than humans LOL)

chimpanzees!

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Jay Rust posted:

So what's the WORST mammal (other than humans LOL)

Whales, they're literally fish with downsides

hatty
Feb 28, 2011

Pork Pro

Jay Rust posted:

So what's the WORST mammal (other than humans LOL)

Orca Whales are jerks

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


cheetah7071 posted:

AI is something where some of the dumbest people on the planet are super into it so people who want to distance themselves from techbros will trip over themselves with logical fallacies and misunderstandings to talk about how much they hate it and its all very frustrating that every conversation about it is either hyperbolically positive or hyperbolically dismissive

Thinking that AI is an extinction-level threat to the human race is legitimately a more nuanced take than the majority of what you see because reaching that conclusion requires you to have actually thought about the concepts involved at more than a surface level

I've watched all the Robert Miles vids on AI Safety and what I've gotten from them is that AI are like those evil genies that grant your wishes but in some twisted ironic way that makes everything worse.

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

Kerrzhe posted:

chimpanzees!

Well. Maybe the worst opinion on this forum

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


exquisite tea posted:

I've watched all the Robert Miles vids

Did you make sure to watch his video on Children?

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rwUdL9qXjk

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Jay Rust posted:

Well. Maybe the worst opinion on this forum

They're really violent and hosed up

Jay Rust
Sep 27, 2011

They're really fun to look at at the zoo

Adam Bowen
Jan 6, 2003

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Feldegast42 posted:

Really not looking forward to to the final death of human art and creativity

One thing I've been thinking about lately is how a lot of art forms used to be social experiences to be a part of rather than products to be consumed, and my hope is that we end up looping back to that a bit. The AI stuff is scary for the future of art, but it's not like we're in a great spot now where a significant portion of art is very cynically made and sold by people who are elitist and privileged and think they're too good to do boring work the way "regular" people do.

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


HopperUK posted:

They're really violent and hosed up

That's a really mean thing to say about forum posters

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

Infinitum posted:

That's a really mean thing to say about forum posters

but I mean it's not wrong?

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Jay Rust posted:

So what's the WORST mammal (other than humans LOL)

Any of the extinct ones. Nothing more embarrassing for a DNA being than to go extinct lmao, good job idiots

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Adam Bowen posted:

One thing I've been thinking about lately is how a lot of art forms used to be social experiences to be a part of rather than products to be consumed, and my hope is that we end up looping back to that a bit. The AI stuff is scary for the future of art, but it's not like we're in a great spot now where a significant portion of art is very cynically made and sold by people who are elitist and privileged and think they're too good to do boring work the way "regular" people do.

It's ok that AI devs are stealing art because artists are pretentious? I hate that take.

Adam Bowen
Jan 6, 2003

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HopperUK posted:

It's ok that AI devs are stealing art because artists are pretentious? I hate that take.

That would be an incredibly poo poo take but it literally has no resemblance to what I said.

Feels Villeneuve
Oct 7, 2007

Setter is Better.

Adam Bowen posted:

One thing I've been thinking about lately is how a lot of art forms used to be social experiences to be a part of rather than products to be consumed, and my hope is that we end up looping back to that a bit. The AI stuff is scary for the future of art, but it's not like we're in a great spot now where a significant portion of art is very cynically made and sold by people who are elitist and privileged and think they're too good to do boring work the way "regular" people do.

Whack post op

Ramie
Mar 2, 2021

my local art community is as healthy as can be considering the greater cultural landscape, and i live in the rear end end of nowhere. artists make stuff all the time and get friendly with anyone that says hi and everyone is constantly encouraged to pursue some artistic skill?

I guess that doesn't count if by significant portion of art you mean the places where like 90% of the art money goes to, corporations and NYC exhibits and the like

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I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

HopperUK posted:

It's ok that AI devs are stealing art because artists are pretentious? I hate that take.

That's really not what they said.

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