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Toxic Mental posted:There are a lot of right wingers in Europe who hate Donald Trump because of no other reason than he's American and a Republican who seems to support big military spending, which is antithetically to right wing ideology. The whole "classically liberal" and "classically conservative" thing being flipped/originalist there. Absolutely. I think a big part of why Ukranian fascism continues to be relevant there is that is Ukranian first and foremost, fascist second. Ultranationalist ideology can certainly be appealing if your neighboring countries have spent centuries trying to russify your culture out of existence.
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Apr 19, 2023 16:51
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:I'm sure they understand. They just care more about stealing money to pay for their luxury yacht or summer house. It's someone else's problem if mobiks die with cardboard bulletproof vests or from eating moldy and rotting MREs. Or, "I'll just steal a little bit. Then I'll boot the rest down to the guy below me, and he'll buy the stuff, there's still plenty of money left", repeated ad infinitum and then you end up with spray painted airsoft gear. At least the volunteers are also drafted from minorities and ethnically non-Russian regions, so them not coming back, or coming back horribly maimed with short life expectancy might be by design. Why spend the few resources on soldiers from Tuva today, when you can also spend them on soldiers from Samara tomorrow?
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Apr 19, 2023 17:00
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Hardcore nationalism and militarism is a definite byproduct of being a victim of an attempted genocide. Hell, just look at Israel.
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Apr 19, 2023 17:10
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thekeeshman posted:Speaking of bad takes from the BRICS, Lula has joined many of his fellow "leftists" in gargling Putin's balls Lula is less pro-Putin than he is anti-NATO, and I think everyone should be able to realize why a leftist leader in South America that had to directly deal with far-right bullshit that either had direct or tacit backing of the USA might be a little inclined to say the things Lula says. That's before you even factor in the broader history of the USA's direct involvement with South America. I am not saying he's right, I'm saying he at least has some reason that explains it beyond the usual tankie nonsense from Euros or Americans. Like, the above was his position all the way until just a day ago or so, and was getting a lot of press in Portugal due to the run-up of Lula's visit to Lisbon for the anniversary of the Carnation Revolution that overthrew Salazar. Yesterday however he stated that he "condemns the violation of Ukraine's territorial integrity" in unambiguous terms even if his position is still "negotiated settlement, as soon as possible". This marks a big pullback in his statements and I think it should be highlighted. https://www.dn.pt/internacional/apos-criticas-lula-condena-violacao-da-integridade-territorial-da-ucrania-16201008.html Source is in Portuguese, I can translate anything else in the article if anyone is curious.
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Apr 19, 2023 17:23
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From chatting with Ukrainians or people who have Ukrainian friends, by and large they say the same thing. Sick of kleptocracy, sick of pro russian boomers in power clinging on to daddy putin and just want nice things like joining the EU. These reasons alone are a good enough reason to support them to give them a chance to decide what they want to do and by all accounts it's remove the yoke of putin and have free will as a country.
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Apr 19, 2023 17:28
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KazigluBey posted:Lula is less pro-Putin than he is anti-NATO, and I think everyone should be able to realize why a leftist leader in South America that had to directly deal with far-right bullshit that either had direct or tacit backing of the USA might be a little inclined to say the things Lula says. That's before you even factor in the broader history of the USA's direct involvement with South America. I am not saying he's right, I'm saying he at least has some reason that explains it beyond the usual tankie nonsense from Euros or Americans. A leftist leader in South America should understand exactly why Ukraine doesn't want to be a puppet of Russia. If Brazilian leftists didn't enjoy decades of right wing dictatorship enforced by the US, why would Ukraine enjoy a right wing dictatorship enforced by Russia? The whole "I'm neutral so I think nobody should support Ukraine militarily" is such a joke as well. No military support means hundreds of Shaheds and cruise missiles hitting apartment buildings and civilian infrastructure with no way for Ukraine to defend, while Russian tanks roll all the way to Lviv and Chisinau. It's ethnic cleansing and cultural genocide. Why would Russia bother negotiating if it can just take anything it wants in an unconditional surrender? Meanwhile they pretend to be neutral, while only engaging diplomatically with Russia. Their position just seems to be to support whatever will stop people bullying their buddy Russia who just made a little oopsie when it launched a full-scale invasion and ethnic cleansing campaign against Ukraine.
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Apr 19, 2023 17:49
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Toxic Mental posted:There are a lot of right wingers in Europe who hate Donald Trump because of no other reason than he's American and a Republican This is obviously the correct opinion.
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Apr 19, 2023 17:55
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Cartoon Man posted:
Right, everybody finish their glass! What are we up to now, let's see cancer of the
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Apr 19, 2023 17:57
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it'd be easier and quicker to list the parts of him that aren't cancer it's a very short list
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Apr 19, 2023 18:07
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KazigluBey posted:Lula is less pro-Putin than he is anti-NATO, and I think everyone should be able to realize why a leftist leader in South America that had to directly deal with far-right bullshit that either had direct or tacit backing of the USA might be a little inclined to say the things Lula says. That's before you even factor in the broader history of the USA's direct involvement with South America. I am not saying he's right, I'm saying he at least has some reason that explains it beyond the usual tankie nonsense from Euros or Americans. NATO hasn't done anything to South America and any "leftist" with two brain cells to rub together should be able to see that Russia is a far-right authoritarian state and should not be supported or coddled in its war of genocidal imperialism. If your anti-Americanism leads you to make excuses for literal fascism then you're not a leftist you're just anti-American, which is fine I guess but then you don't get to claim to have principles. All these calls for "negotiated settlement" aren't any better because he's just trying to make the problem go away at the Ukrainians' expense, and we know from recent history that any ceasefire Russia agrees to will just be an excuse to rearm and try again in a few years. It is literally just tankie nonsense and the fact that he's South American as opposed to European or American doesn't make it any better. It's not like South America has any shortage of lovely leftist regimes either.
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Apr 19, 2023 18:09
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Lula isn't exactly a great guy, I think a lot of people get it twisted since Bolsonaro was such a slimy sack of dog poo poo that they think Lula isn't an idiot who has said and done some poo poo on his own
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Apr 19, 2023 18:16
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poverty goat posted:it'd be easier and quicker to list the parts of him that aren't cancer Heart
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Apr 19, 2023 18:16
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thekeeshman posted:NATO hasn't done anything to South America and any "leftist" with two brain cells to rub together should be able to see that Russia is a far-right authoritarian state and should not be supported or coddled in its war of genocidal imperialism. If your anti-Americanism leads you to make excuses for literal fascism then you're not a leftist you're just anti-American, which is fine I guess but then you don't get to claim to have principles. All these calls for "negotiated settlement" aren't any better because he's just trying to make the problem go away at the Ukrainians' expense, and we know from recent history that any ceasefire Russia agrees to will just be an excuse to rearm and try again in a few years. It is literally just tankie nonsense and the fact that he's South American as opposed to European or American doesn't make it any better. It's not like South America has any shortage of lovely leftist regimes either. As far as I'm concerned if a person justifies a war of illegal aggression against a sovereign country for whatever flimsy reasons like Russia came up with, they're no better than the fascists they claim to oppose. Why do we need Russia to supposedly act as some kind of check or balance against America when they're capable of nothing except exporting misery to the countries around them, and have wild ambitions about reviving the USSR? As far as I'm concerned I'd rather take the flawed America any day over a failed kleptocratic state run by an energy mafia. And ironically, NATO was beginning to show signs of crumbling even before the invasion happened, but now that it did, it was revived stronger than ever with the addition of Finland and soon Sweden. I have more sympathy for those unfortunate Russian citizens that understand the war was wrong, and hope for something better for their country instead of what they have to live with than any self-proclaimed 'leftists', whose only reason for carrying water for Russia in this conflict, is doing so because they're Anti-NATO and Anti-Americanism. It's possible to despise America for its excesses while not suddenly wanting to carry water for the Russian fascist state because they stand on the opposite side. Russia is only interested in what Russia wants, and that's their own ambitions. We don't need that kind of multipolarity in the world.
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Apr 19, 2023 18:23
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You don’t in fact “gotta hand it to” crime lord dictators and fascists
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Apr 19, 2023 18:35
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The read I have on it is that Brazil is itching to invade either bolivia for its lithium or Suriname for its rich last name deposits that aren’t all just “Silva”.
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Apr 19, 2023 18:57
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Karate Bastard posted:Right, everybody finish their glass! Cancer of the soul.
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Apr 19, 2023 19:01
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1648625601446649857 Igor with another one of his trademark rants. This time he complains about the hypocrisy of the Russian leadership and propagandists, complains they're not being fascist enough, and complains still more that actual patriots and competent people are nowhere near the centers of decision making. CW: homophobia
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Apr 19, 2023 19:05
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Karate Bastard posted:Right, everybody finish their glass! 
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Apr 19, 2023 19:06
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https://twitter.com/kirlant/status/1648748484055425033 dunno MoD, working out at the gym sounds better than Bakhmut
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Apr 19, 2023 19:19
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This is a special kind of cringe even for a propaganda vid, lmao
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Apr 19, 2023 19:22
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Russian soldiers watching it wondering why he has none of that gear.
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Apr 19, 2023 19:31
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Tai posted:Russian soldiers watching it wondering why he has none of that gear. Please understand, Comrade Colonel Corruptovich needed to buy his wife a new pair of diamond earrings.
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Apr 19, 2023 19:47
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The ultra masculine 1kg plates 
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Apr 19, 2023 19:47
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Toxic Mental posted:The ultra masculine 1kg plates All the bigger plates have been welded onto T-62s as part of the latest upgrade package, such is life
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Apr 19, 2023 19:52
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/kirlant/status/1648748484055425033
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Apr 19, 2023 19:53
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Every man is a Batmans. Everywhere all at once.
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Apr 19, 2023 19:54
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Toxic Mental posted:The ultra masculine 1kg plates All the ultra masculine jocks volunteered and are all war heroes now. I'd say they're now aiming to recruit the nerds except those guys all left during the brain drain lol.
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Apr 19, 2023 19:56
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Toxic Mental posted:The ultra masculine 1kg plates trololol you bet they were torn over including bigger plates but nixed it since it blocked the hot bicep shot
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Apr 19, 2023 20:06
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1648718731483176961 So what weapons is Dmitry planning to sell the North Koreans? those MTLB naval gun technicals maybe? lmao
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Apr 19, 2023 20:09
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They did the analysis and went through with the operation, which consisted of moving the entire Putin 1 meter to the right.
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Apr 19, 2023 20:10
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Toxic Mental posted:The ultra masculine 1kg plates Its part of the visual metaphor. "You're achieving nothing useful in your civilian work, you should be dying in the wars"
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Apr 19, 2023 20:25
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Cartoon Man posted:
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Apr 19, 2023 20:26
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Flavahbeast posted:Its part of the visual metaphor. "You're achieving nothing useful in your civilian work, you should be dying in the wars" mad gainz lifting those washing machines bruh and dragging your drowning buddy through cold water
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Apr 19, 2023 20:33
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Toxic Mental posted:The ultra masculine 1kg plates
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Apr 19, 2023 20:37
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Flavahbeast posted:Its part of the visual metaphor. "You're achieving nothing useful in your civilian work, you should be dying in the wars" This. The spotter wants to sign a contract to be with the REAL MEN instead of civilian weaklings. The viewer is supposed to scoff at the pitiful weights. In other news: https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1648644105558274048?s=20 
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Apr 19, 2023 20:45
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Sashimi posted:I could bench that. My granny could bench that and she's been dead for 20 years.
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Apr 19, 2023 20:46
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It's ok, I'm sure they'll get the guy responsible.
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Apr 19, 2023 20:50
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beer_war posted:This. The spotter wants to sign a contract to be with the REAL MEN instead of civilian weaklings. The viewer is supposed to scoff at the pitiful weights. 
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Apr 19, 2023 20:57
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https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1648763168984817698 Seems the civilians really are evacuating from Tokmak, huh.
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Apr 19, 2023 21:37
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