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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjN4Krg3iIE Two more intercepted calls were recently published, caught around Feb of this year but released by GUR only now. In the first one you hear a Russian soldier talking to his wife, quite seriously, about how they're getting their asses beat in the Kreminna axis, and that his commander told him to call his relatives and tell them that they might only have two or three weeks to live. Second one is shorter and details Russian attempts to retake and demine one of the islands in the Dnipro river so they can use it as a springboard to attack Kherson again. As before,  for descriptions of casualties.
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Apr 20, 2023 21:06
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Victis posted:Intercept of extremely American mercenaries in Ukraine frustrated at the support they are receiving from Ukrainians. Hard to listen to Curses and drat, foiled again by strong Russia.
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Apr 20, 2023 21:11
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-50-55-blueprint-for-armageddon-series/ Oh hell yes I didn't know he sold them as collected audiobooks, I've only ever listened to his stuff on Pocketcasts. This is excellent
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Apr 20, 2023 21:13
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:
Kind of. The Russo-Japanese war convinced them that modern fortifications could be beaten if you were hardcore enough to stomach the casualties, because the Japanese did manage to eventually grind their way through Russian defenses at a horrible cost. After all, it was only about 200k casualties between the two sides in a 1.5 year war. The Franco-Prussian war had seen almost a million casualties over a mere 6 months. The European leaders thought the war would incredibly bloody but also pretty short. A million soldiers would die, but then someone would collapse and the war would have a winner and a loser. No one believed a nation could take a million casualties and then build up a completely new million man army to keep fighting anyway. But it turns out every single major nation in WW1 was capable of exactly that. It's a sign of how ridiculous a modern nation-state is that for all the corruption and rot, Russia is still going to run out of war equipment well before it runs out of meat to throw into the grinder in Putin's pointless cruelty. golden bubble fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Apr 20, 2023 |
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Apr 20, 2023 21:14
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Apr 20, 2023 21:18
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golden bubble posted:Kind of. The Russo-Japanese war convinced them that modern fortifications could be beaten if you were hardcore enough to stomach the casualties, because the Japanese did manage to eventually grind their way through Russian defenses at a horrible cost. After all, it was only about 200k casualties between the two sides in a 1.5 year war. The Franco-Prussian war had seen almost a million casualties over a mere 6 months. The European leaders thought the war would incredibly bloody but also pretty short. A million soldiers would die, but then someone would collapse and the war would have a winner and a loser. No one believed a nation could take a million casualties and then build up a completely new million man army to keep fighting anyway. But it turns out every single major nation in WW1 was capable of exactly that. Terrorist Girkin said at the beginning of the year that without external help, Russia will find itself out of equipment for its land army before long. He said that they have at most, a year's worth of gas left in the tank and then they can do nothing against the Ukrainian army. And since not long after that Pooh Bear told monke to get bent, it would seem that it might indeed come to pass.
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Apr 20, 2023 21:22
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Deteriorata posted:I seriously doubt Ukraine is going to have to invade Crimea. Once it is besieged, it's only a matter of time before the Russians abandon it voluntarily. I think that so much of the Russian state's identity is banking on Crimea remaining in Russia's sphere at this point that the war goes much further than just Putin's horrendous gamble. I do not see them abandoning Crimea voluntarily at all and instead it will probably force the Russians onto a far more total war footing and make their nuclear threats even more hysterical to a point that I would be genuinely worried. It might force them to the negotiating table though, would some kind of Crimean independence possibly be on the cards for either party as a compromise? khwarezm fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Apr 20, 2023 |
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Apr 20, 2023 22:26
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:I keep hearing the counter offensive has begun. I posted about some proving attacks last week. It's all rain and mud until the end of the month https://mobile.twitter.com/davidhelms570/status/1647942488873680896
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Apr 20, 2023 22:32
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khwarezm posted:It might force them to the negotiating table though, would some kind of Crimean independence possibly be on the cards for either party as a compromise? It would have to be UN-enforced Crimean independence or something similar to that, otherwise it would just be an extra step between peace, and Russia invading and annexing the place with any flimsy or more likely just manufactured reason. This of course expecting that nothing actually changes in Russia, besides maybe Putin being replaced with someone else from the current system. If no meaningful change takes place, it would just be a stop-gag for 5-10 years before they try something else, possibly somewhere else, now that the restoration of Soviet Union/Imperial Russia is out of the bag and pretty much the agenda for the mob-ran gas station government.
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Apr 20, 2023 22:33
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khwarezm posted:It might force them to the negotiating table though, would some kind of Crimean independence possibly be on the cards for either party as a compromise? No Ukrainian officials have brought up joint control under the oversight of the UN as a non-war alternative though
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Apr 20, 2023 22:41
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Is this rain normal this time of year or should it be drier now?
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Apr 20, 2023 22:43
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CrRd3SyL7zJ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= Those glide bombs seem to be working well... (Russian jet accidently dropped a bomb on Belgorod)
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Apr 20, 2023 22:45
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Philonius posted:Not sure I want to trust the word 'might' there when the potential consequence is nuclear war.  HonorableTB posted:The Sleepwalkers: How Europe Went to War in 1914 by Christopher Clark Haven't read Sleepwalkers, but the ultimate cause of WWI is Germany wanted war (hence the blank check to Austria-Hungary, etc.), for ideological reasons (many of which they fooled themselves into thinking were rational, the belief in a darwinistic conception of interstate relations was widespread). They aren't solely to blame, but the shock of WWI and the interwar coverup of responsibility by the Weimar Republic left us with a wildly biased version of the causes of the war until relatively recently. Holger Herwig's books are a good source for this. Only partially related, but one of Herwig's first books, Politics of Frustration (1976), is a fascinating account of how Germany tried to develop a naval strategy to fight the US between 1889 and the start of WWII, with much ensuing comedy (towing battleships across the Atlantic, seizing Provincetown, Massachusetts as a base to take Boston, etc.).
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Apr 20, 2023 22:51
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Tai posted:Is this rain normal this time of year or should it be drier now? I don't know if it was normal during ww2, but the last two decades snow lasts into april in Eastern Europe pretty often
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Apr 20, 2023 22:59
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HonorableTB posted:Good sources that aren't The Guns of August (I've lifted the summaries elsewhere because I don't have time to summarize them all myself but I can vouch for these sources being great because I've used them before as references myself when writing historiographies of mobilization) Quoting for later
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Apr 20, 2023 23:25
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https://twitter.com/UKikaski/status/1649156987957944321 https://twitter.com/UKikaski/status/1649165300678504448 Russian telegram channels appear to report a Ukrainian presence on the opposite bank of the Dnipro, believed to be a reconnaissance operation
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Apr 20, 2023 23:42
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EasilyConfused posted:Only partially related, but one of Herwig's first books, Politics of Frustration (1976), is a fascinating account of how Germany tried to develop a naval strategy to fight the US between 1889 and the start of WWII, with much ensuing comedy (towing battleships across the Atlantic, seizing Provincetown, Massachusetts as a base to take Boston, etc.). Is there a Dracinfel video about this?
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Apr 21, 2023 02:07
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Comstar posted:Is there a Dracinfel video about this? He did mention it (sensible chuckles all round), but not in a dedicated vid from what i remember.
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Apr 21, 2023 02:37
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-50-55-blueprint-for-armageddon-series/ Did this get published before he started going lunatic?
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Apr 21, 2023 03:32
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Samovar posted:Did this get published before he started going lunatic? What do you mean?
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Apr 21, 2023 03:42
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:https://www.dancarlin.com/product/hardcore-history-50-55-blueprint-for-armageddon-series/  , as wellI've supported his work quite a bit but not a huge fan when something that was free becomes very much not so Oh my god that's a nightmare. I've lived quite a few places but never anywhere that gets like that
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Apr 21, 2023 03:47
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Play posted:
Man's gotta make a living somehow and he's good at this, barring whatever insanity was mentioned earlier. As a historian I know what level of effort and time investment goes into something like Hardcore History and I don't mind throwing him some dollarydoos for it. People forget that the content they consume costs money and time to make and if they want more of it then they should support the creators that produce it because they need to eat. An average episode of Hardcore History can take a couple hundred hours of research easily to produce, going off of my own experiences with this and producing history talks and lectures. HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Apr 21, 2023 |
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Apr 21, 2023 04:55
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HonorableTB posted:Good sources that aren't The Guns of August (I've lifted the summaries elsewhere because I don't have time to summarize them all myself but I can vouch for these sources being great because I've used them before as references myself when writing historiographies of mobilization) I'll have to check those out. I read "To End all Wars" by Adam Rothschild, and it had a initial focus on the social background leading up to the war. A big one that was mentioned was that a lot of European nations were honestly just itching for a war. For the "noble" class, it was a good way to get out and have a good time, run around shoot some people and call it a day. Throw on top some incredibly obliviousness over what modern weapons could do to people, and you had people marching in close formations against airburst artillery. But for some reason, a lot of people in the ruling class just seemed to think that didn't apply if you had a bit of can do spirit. I'd have to go back through it to make sure my memory is on top though. Even getting the title had me remembering I used to have a B&N Nook.
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Apr 21, 2023 05:09
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How do you get airburst artillery without proximity fuses which weren't available until WW2? Timed fuses? Seems like that would be tricky to time it right
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Apr 21, 2023 05:18
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i've read the keegan one a few times because it isnt just readable, its enjoyable. besides informative
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Apr 21, 2023 05:19
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Dan Carlin is great at 1.2x speed. His WW1 series was my first gateway into a true appreciation for that time and the experiences of people who were there. It lead to reading a lot of the books on the subject that were mentioned above.
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Apr 21, 2023 05:19
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https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1649250772373086208 14 months into Putler's failed war and you're only just figuring out your pathetic country and army are incapable of doing the things you thought they could?
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Apr 21, 2023 05:23
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Carth Dookie posted:How do you get airburst artillery without proximity fuses which weren't available until WW2? It was and they didn't always fuse reliably but that didn't mean they weren't pretty effective when they did.
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Apr 21, 2023 05:24
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Carth Dookie posted:How do you get airburst artillery without proximity fuses which weren't available until WW2? Yea, but if you have a lot of guns firing constantly, you'll get there eventually. Definitely no where near as effective as the proximity fuses from WW2 though.
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Apr 21, 2023 05:38
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1649250772373086208 LMAO this Solovyov is a clown. Complains about "the west wiggling butts"  and then a notification goes off (at 2:25) on his iPhone.
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Apr 21, 2023 06:22
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DiomedesGodshill posted:LMAO this Solovyov is a clown. Complains about "the west wiggling butts" Soloyvov is like if Ernest from those 80s and 90s movies was a Russian propagandist.
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Apr 21, 2023 06:29
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EasilyConfused posted:
Having contingency plans for unexpected conflicts was and is a good idea for any military force, and can look kinda weird in hindsight. My favorite is the US plans drawn up for a potential conflict with the UK as recently as the 1930s- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red quote:The first strike with poison gas against the port city of Halifax was used to seize it, preventing the Royal Navy from using the naval base in Halifax, and cutting the undersea cable through Halifax, severing the connection between Britain and Canada.
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Apr 21, 2023 07:03
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HonorableTB posted:What do you mean? Well, Carlin has of late been considered to have gone off the deep end, at least in the podcast sub-forum, for having in the last few years... Oh, instead of me paraphrasing here are quotes: Sydin posted:His (paraphrased) stance was basically that it's easy to look back on Japanese internment as morally reprehensible, but doing so ignores the unfathomable sense of fear and paranoia among Americans after Pearl Harbor, so can we *really* so cleanly say the people who carried out and supported internment were bad? buglord posted:scrubbing through this right now. seemed like typical carlin stuff and was going to not reply because I figured maybe I didn't catch it and I'd probably get dogpiled. but then buglord posted:There's the sort of calculus that was made where you can drop a few nukes on japan you can save a lot more american/japanese/civilian lives. Now apply it to the holocaust and how it being as bad as it is might have prevented potential genocides? He acknowledges that the holocaust didnt stop genocides from happening after but maybe its a silver lining by having the Big One so other genocides are less...big? Samovar fucked around with this message at 07:59 on Apr 21, 2023 |
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Apr 21, 2023 07:11
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free hubcaps posted:Having contingency plans for unexpected conflicts was and is a good idea for any military force, and can look kinda weird in hindsight. My favorite is the US plans drawn up for a potential conflict with the UK as recently as the 1930s- I loving love the rainbow war plans, just a bunch of midranking interwar officers justifying their existence with real life military fanfic.
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Apr 21, 2023 07:27
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free hubcaps posted:first strike with poison gas against the port city of Halifax
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Apr 21, 2023 07:34
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmyes genocides have been less big lately. Certainly during the soviet period Which was after ww2
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Apr 21, 2023 07:36
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Samovar posted:Well, Carlin has of late been considered to have gone off the deep end, at least in the podcast sub-forum, for having in the last few years. Instead of me paraphrasing: yikesaroo! I live in the pacific northwest, very close to the museum and memorials on bainbridge island and surrounding areas dedicated to the first victims of the japanese interment camps in ww2 and i have been there quite a few times. the internment camps were a big fuckin deal here and the communities are still recovering from it to this day (the same laws that allowed the camps allowed for white americans to take over "abandoned" japanese-american businesses in the northwest and the original owners had their legal rights to their former businesses and property nulled. Japanese-Americans here lost around $400 million in property and were economically set back irreparably as a result edit: check this out, it's off topic for the thread but pretty interesting for this tangent: https://www.king5.com/article/features/remembering-the-long-walk-at-bainbridge-internment-memorial/281-533675208 King5 posted:BAINBRIDGE ISLAND – As a 22-year-old, Kay Sakai Nakao was among the throng who made the long, uncertain walk to the ferry that morning 76 years ago. HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Apr 21, 2023 |
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Apr 21, 2023 07:43
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Samovar posted:Well, Carlin has of late been considered to have gone off the deep end, at least in the podcast sub-forum, for having in the last few years. Instead of me paraphrasing: Hah. When Carlin was brought up here I initially debated whether to bring up that old thread or not, but someone else did. It kinda sucks because those sort of comments undermine the entire catalogue of his work (which I consider over all really engaging and a great jumping off point). But then you get the worlds worst take on the holocaust from someone who should clearly know better. Still really surprised that made it out to the world without nobody else on his team going “hey maybe rethink this!”
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Apr 21, 2023 07:46
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Here’s something I found about the specific WW1 ya’ll are talking aboutquote:Dan Carlin's Blueprint for Armageddon has 7 factual errors in the first 20 minutes.
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Oh welp lol take back what I said.
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