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Funky See Funky Do posted:The hesitancy of NATO to properly arm Ukraine is so frustrating and terrifying. They would also have to send the ocean of jet fuel, mountain of spare parts and pallets of ammunition hundreds of Abrams would require through the same extremely stressed railroads currently supplying all of Ukraines’ military needs. If the Black Sea was available for shipping you would see the floodgates open. Right now they have to be much more selective.
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Apr 21, 2023 15:07
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Plus, other countries donated their trash on the backs of promises from US to give them abrams in return right?
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Apr 21, 2023 15:18
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Vengarr posted:They would also have to send the ocean of jet fuel, mountain of spare parts and pallets of ammunition hundreds of Abrams would require through the same extremely stressed railroads currently supplying all of Ukraines’ military needs. Do unarmed freighters carrying land warfare equipment count as warships for the purpose of the treaty? I would be worried about sending them unescorted, but my first impression is that they would be allowed through.
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Apr 21, 2023 15:26
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pro starcraft loser posted:That's not the same as blowing .33 is it?? It's exactly the same, yes. They're both percentages of blood content Dwesa posted:Milligrams of ethanol per liter of exhaled air is unit of breath alcohol concentration used in most of Europe. Yeah it's around the legal driving limit in the US. So drunk, but not very drunk on the scale of the average Russian soldier and also not very drunk for flipping over an air defense system
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Apr 21, 2023 15:37
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Computer viking posted:Do unarmed freighters carrying land warfare equipment count as warships for the purpose of the treaty? I would be worried about sending them unescorted, but my first impression is that they would be allowed through. They are allowed. The problem is that Russia has effectively blockaded all Ukrainian Black Sea ports from foreign shipping, except those involved in the grain deal. Until their subs, mines and anti-ship missiles are removed, it will stay closed.
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Apr 21, 2023 15:38
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Funky See Funky Do posted:The hesitancy of NATO to properly arm Ukraine is so frustrating and terrifying. While the US is giving a lot, they're deliberately hanging back and trying to push Europe to the fore - both because Ukraine is in Europe and to give them a chance to shine without being overshadowed by the US. The problem is that Europe as a group has very little to give because they haven't been spending properly on defense for decades, simultaneously relying on the US and then bitching about US dominance.
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Apr 21, 2023 15:47
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Vengarr posted:They would also have to send the ocean of jet fuel, mountain of spare parts and pallets of ammunition hundreds of Abrams would require through the same extremely stressed railroads currently supplying all of Ukraines’ military needs. These are easily solvable logistical problems. The US/NATO could arm Ukraine in such a way that would 100% win the war in a matter of months, weeks even. The reason they don't is political/ they're deterred by Russia's nuclear threats.
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Apr 21, 2023 15:55
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Deteriorata posted:spending properly on defense for decades Let's not get carried away and insinuate that the amount of money the US spends on the MIC is 'proper' - it's loving insane. Also I don't know that any European states do particularly bitch about US dominance? No-ones trying to compete with the US there. The norm should not be that every country has hundreds of spare unwanted tanks just sitting around in storage. Allowing themselves to become reliant upon imported energy, turning a blind eye to numerous FSB assassinations and fuckery across the continent, and letting oligarchs launder their cash in property and donations across the political elite, all in the naive hope that Russia would generally behave in a way mostly tolerable, yes, absolutely culpable. Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Apr 21, 2023 |
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Apr 21, 2023 16:03
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This is a good thread on Bakhmut. Warning, this thread does rt one combat video which contains footage from that recent bunker fight. https://twitter.com/emilkastehelmi/status/1649415260145696768?t=TcFL8Rqnifw2gsmcwEeGlg&s=19
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Apr 21, 2023 16:14
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As a famous Russian said bakhmut will be the Stalingrad of our time. WOOPSIES
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Apr 21, 2023 16:20
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A couple pages off from WW1 chat but if anyone is interested The Great War is a pretty excellent channel that charts the war week by week. Obviously it's not as in-depth given the scope it has to cover every week but it's a good way to set yourself in the mindset of how many insane things were happening almost daily for four years straight.
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Apr 21, 2023 16:46
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:As a famous Russian said bakhmut will be the Stalingrad of our time. Except instead of the defenders winning while taking about 1.5 losses for each attacking soldier, the attackers are taking 5+ losses for each defender while making minimal, grinding gains that they probably won't be able to hold in the long run.
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Apr 21, 2023 17:11
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Lol Russia Today and all the other propagandists are about to have a field day since elron munks removed all the labels from state-run propaganda outlets of authoritarian governments https://twitter.com/RobertMackey/status/1649262277353439233?s=20
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Apr 21, 2023 17:12
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Also, y'all remember my posts bitching about Russian toilet paper, specifically the Lambi brand sold there and how it's so lovely you can literally see wood fibers and splinters? yeah i wasnt exaggerating, someone else had the unfortunate discovery too:    russia is so poo poo at literally everything that they managed to gently caress up toilet paper
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Apr 21, 2023 17:17
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Butterfly Valley posted:Let's not get carried away and insinuate that the amount of money the US spends on the MIC is 'proper' - it's loving insane. Also I don't know that any European states do particularly bitch about US dominance? No-ones trying to compete with the US there. The norm should not be that every country has hundreds of spare unwanted tanks just sitting around in storage. US defense spending is excessive, but most European countries have severely deteriorated their militaries through years of budgetary neglect. In my country it got as low as 1.1% of GDP, which was not enough to maintain a credible defense capability. The army had to get rid of all of it's tanks and most of its artillery, the Navy was reduced to 20% of it's old size, and so on. I don't suggest we should have remained on cold war levels of spending like the US has, but some happy medium would have been prudent. As an example, we currently operate 18 Leopards in a joint battalion with Germany. In 1990 we had 913. That's insane - all of the heavy equipment that all NATO countries combined have scraped together for Ukraine could have been easily supplied by the 1990 Dutch army, and plenty where that came from.
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Apr 21, 2023 17:17
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HonorableTB posted:Also, y'all remember my posts bitching about Russian toilet paper, specifically the Lambi brand sold there and how it's so lovely you can literally see wood fibers and splinters? Is the Piss Crone available to remove the anus splinters or is that someone else’s role?
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Apr 21, 2023 17:21
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A Pack of Kobolds posted:Is the Piss Crone available to remove the anus splinters or is that someone else’s role? If you go to the doctor complaining about anal splintering you get mobilized to the donbass to toughen you up
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Apr 21, 2023 17:24
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lol the thumbnails made me think them was blood spots
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Apr 21, 2023 17:29
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Karma Comedian posted:
How could American have done this 
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Apr 21, 2023 17:47
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/21/all-nato-members-have-agreed-ukraine-will-eventually-join-says-stoltenberg lol lmao lollolol NATO members have agreed that Ukraine will join once this poo poo is over. Germany is a bit cautious but says yes but not shocked about that and I'm sure Hungary will want some snuggles before it happens too. Lmao putin you did real good. Really loving good. Now gently caress off e - At the bottom of the articles is this Germany, Poland and Ukraine said they would create a hub to repair Leopard tanks used in Ukraine, which could open at the end of May. Canada said it would provide a further C$39 million (£23.26 million) in lethal aid, including sniper rifles and radios. Handy! Drive over the border, get fixed without fear and drive back in again. I was wondering what they were going to do in regards to repairs. Tai fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Apr 21, 2023 |
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Apr 21, 2023 17:49
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now putin has to unleash his true power against the wect
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Apr 21, 2023 17:56
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Arc Hammer posted:A couple pages off from WW1 chat but if anyone is interested The Great War is a pretty excellent channel that charts the war week by week. Obviously it's not as in-depth given the scope it has to cover every week but it's a good way to set yourself in the mindset of how many insane things were happening almost daily for four years straight. That's an excellent channel. They do a week by week series, supplemented with 3-4 short videos expanding on specific topics or people. They're currently running possibly YouTube's best history series on WW2 week by week, with an accompanying War On Humanity series covering the civilian casualty toll and more detail on the Holocaust as it happens than is possibly good for you. I definitely appreciate the ironic tension between really good animated maps of the front lines on a divisional scale juxtaposed with death tolls from bombing raids and extermination camps. Gotta keep perspective, war sucks.
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Apr 21, 2023 17:56
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Butterfly Valley posted:Let's not get carried away and insinuate that the amount of money the US spends on the MIC is 'proper' - it's loving insane. Also I don't know that any European states do particularly bitch about US dominance? No-ones trying to compete with the US there. The norm should not be that every country has hundreds of spare unwanted tanks just sitting around in storage. NATO specifies 2% of GDP on defense spending. Almost no one in Europe has hit that for a very long time.
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Apr 21, 2023 18:11
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Deteriorata posted:NATO specifies 2% of GDP on defense spending. Almost no one in Europe has hit that for a very long time. I think only Greece and UK were at or above 2%
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Apr 21, 2023 18:29
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Tai posted:I think only Greece and UK were at or above 2% Finland is over 2%. Which shouldn't surprise anyone, considering.
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Apr 21, 2023 18:40
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Philonius posted:https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1648734980632084520 Just food for thought: a chopper upgrade package for Gerald R. Ford. Dronefication of aircraft carriers.
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Apr 21, 2023 18:41
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Went to investigate Musk's latest gift to fascists and found the whole site is down for me, so that is fun at least
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Apr 21, 2023 19:12
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Deteriorata posted:NATO specifies 2% of GDP on defense spending. Almost no one in Europe has hit that for a very long time. It is also very important how that money is spent. It appears that apart from Finland and Poland most of Europes armies have turned into grift machines that just waste all the money they are given.
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Apr 21, 2023 19:12
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Tai posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/21/all-nato-members-have-agreed-ukraine-will-eventually-join-says-stoltenberg I mean it is pretty loving hilarious that one of the dumb reasons Putin and his cronies decided to invade Ukraine is/was "must prevent expansion of NATO!" Welp. Good job mate. Really nailed that one. At this point Japan should apply to NATO to add to the West's and now East's butt wigglin  Solovyov's head would explode.
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Apr 21, 2023 19:19
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bad_fmr posted:It is also very important how that money is spent. It appears that apart from Finland and Poland most of Europes armies have turned into grift machines that just waste all the money they are given. Well at least in Germany it's a behemoth that provides cushy jobs for lifers or at least pledging 12+ years. I only got the numbers for 2020 but out of 197.000 military personnel total, 39.000 are officers and 95.000 NCOs. All that brain power for 46.000 enlisted and a sad handful of volunteers.
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Apr 21, 2023 19:28
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:Finland is over 2%. Which shouldn't surprise anyone, considering. Yep, now it is. But that's very recent: 
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Apr 21, 2023 19:43
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sauer kraut posted:Well at least in Germany it's a behemoth that provides cushy jobs for lifers or at least pledging 12+ years. That seems to be a common thing. The Royal Navy now has more admirals than warships.
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Apr 21, 2023 20:26
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thread on various other Wagner activities their annual income from these activities (gold mines, precious stones) can be several billion dollars https://twitter.com/Tatarigami_UA/status/1649471015183851525 DiomedesGodshill posted:I mean it is pretty loving hilarious that one of the dumb reasons Putin and his cronies decided to invade Ukraine is/was "must prevent expansion of NATO!" Welp. Good job mate. Really nailed that one. At this point Japan should apply to NATO to add to the West's and now East's butt wigglin Dwesa fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Apr 21, 2023 |
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Apr 21, 2023 20:35
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Funky See Funky Do posted:These are easily solvable logistical problems. The US/NATO could arm Ukraine in such a way that would 100% win the war in a matter of months, weeks even. The reason they don't is political/ they're deterred by Russia's nuclear threats. Ukraine uses different gauges than the west, meaning that all aid has to be shipped to the border, offloaded from western locomotives, put back on Ukrainian trains, and then taken across the border. This is a huge bottleneck and not something “easily solved.” There are plans to get Ukraine on the EU gauge but that’s a massive undertaking even without a war going on and enemies actively shooting at your trains/power infrastructure. NATO supply trains have to stop and pass inspection at each national border, even for countries within NATO. The “simple fix” is to get 100% of NATO countries to agree to let them pass. That will probably happen by the end of the year—maybe—as long as there are no objections. Logistics may sometimes be simple, but it is never easy.
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Apr 21, 2023 20:53
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jaete posted:Yep, now it is. But that's very recent: This change was caused by a changed accounting standard. During the cold war, Finland wanted to downplay military expenditures to keep the Soviets happy, and all possible expenses were moved to different departments. In 2021, as a part of harmonizing with NATO standards (which we have been doing for a decade now), we switched to reporting military expenditures by NATO rules, which caused that jump.
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Apr 21, 2023 21:02
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Dunno why NATO doesn't just turn to Canada and let them sort out everything now and forever more.
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Apr 21, 2023 21:32
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Tai posted:Dunno why NATO doesn't just turn to Canada and let them sort out everything now and forever more. Because it turns out that "budgets balance themselves" may not be a good long term strategy.
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Apr 21, 2023 21:45
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Dwesa posted:
Not with that attitude. Also I said apply, not join. Putin would hear the ole Metal Gear Solid alert noise if Japan just applied (with no intention to follow through). Now I'm curious about Article 9 of the Japanese constitution. ARTICLE 9. (1) Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. (2) In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be sustained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.  I wonder if the definition of "threat" includes "just a bit of international trolling". Well Russia already found the obvious workaround. Special Peace Operation.
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Apr 21, 2023 21:53
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https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/04/21/7398880/quote:A Russian court has arrested Kyrylo Budanov, Chief of Ukraine's Defence Intelligence, in absentia in the case of the "terrorist attack" on the Kerch (Crimean) Bridge and plans to put him on the international wanted list. 
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sauer kraut posted:Well at least in Germany it's a behemoth that provides cushy jobs for lifers or at least pledging 12+ years.
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