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El Gallinero Gros posted:This made me look up who was picked ahead of PK Subban in the 2nd round in his draft year and jesus its bad That draft gets crazy the lower you get. 5th round: Jamie Benn Jake Muzzin 6th round: fuckin' 3x Stanley Cup winner Pat Maroon 2x Stanley Cup winner Carl Hagelin 2x Stanley Cup winner Nick Bonino
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Propaganda Hour posted:That draft gets crazy the lower you get. 1st round is a mess too, now that I look
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El Gallinero Gros posted:1st round is a mess too, now that I look The draft was considered the weakest in ages. It looks bad now, and I think that's with all of the top three (Kane especially) performing far, far better than expected.
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Yeah, my memory of 2007 was that Kane wasn't seen as a strong first overall. It also contains my favourite draft moment of the Kings going way off the board and selecting Hickey fourth overall, and everyone collectively saying, "who?"
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Twin Cinema posted:Yeah, my memory of 2007 was that Kane wasn't seen as a strong first overall. Kane wasn't even ranked 1st. NHL Central Scouting had Turris as the top ranked North American. In retrospect that's completely insane considering Kane had 145pts in his draft year, but also he was the first player under 5'10 to go 1st overall and teams are run by idiots.
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ThinkTank posted:Kane wasn't even ranked 1st. NHL Central Scouting had Turris as the top ranked North American. In retrospect that's completely insane considering Kane had 145pts in his draft year, but also he was the first player under 5'10 to go 1st overall and teams are run by idiots. My guess is that him not seeming like a strong first overall was entirely due to his size? I don't remember. But, 145 points in his draft year, plus 2 PPG in the playoffs, plus a strong WJC, and I am not even sure what else he needed to do? But, the NHL was also in a weird transition period.
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Twin Cinema posted:My guess is that him not seeming like a strong first overall was entirely due to his size? I don't remember. But, 145 points in his draft year, plus 2 PPG in the playoffs, plus a strong WJC, and I am not even sure what else he needed to do? He was also on an absurd line with Sergei Kostitsyin and Sam Gagner, and he was considered the third banana of that trio.
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I hate this loving sport why do I own season tickets to this poo poo
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Wezlar posted:I hate this loving sport why do I own season tickets to this poo poo new thread title
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Wezlar posted:I hate this loving sport why do I own season tickets to this poo poo  god I love the playoffs
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Twin Cinema posted:My guess is that him not seeming like a strong first overall was entirely due to his size? I don't remember. But, 145 points in his draft year, plus 2 PPG in the playoffs, plus a strong WJC, and I am not even sure what else he needed to do? I remember the consensus was that he wasn't expected to be a real star player and was more like a safe bet to be a first liner.
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He was also very much a one dimensional winger which was true, but it was a heck of a dimension. Really it's as simple as "sure he has talent but have you seen that he's not very tall?"
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ThinkTank posted:He was also very much a one dimensional winger which was true, but it was a heck of a dimension. And how many of the people involved in decisions like that are still involved with NHL teams today? Too loving many.
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Furnaceface posted:And how many of the people involved in decisions like that are still involved with NHL teams today? Cole Caufield being the latest sterling example of that
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Cole Caufield being the latest sterling example of that And Brayden Point and Alex DeBrincat
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At the near top of the draft where Kane was, Strome > Marner seems pretty dumb now.
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pseudodragon posted:At the near top of the draft where Kane was, Strome > Marner seems pretty dumb now. Strome over Marner was understood as bad by fancy stats people at the time but it was at least intelligible. If you want an example from that draft there was a period where Lawson Crouse was ranked above both of them.
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What year was Tyler Biggs? Because that one was funny too.
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Furnaceface posted:What year was Tyler Biggs? Because that one was funny too. 2011. The next few players were no great shakes either but he's the highest-taken player—and one of only 5 in the first two rounds—to never play an NHL game. But yeah that was hilarious. Every future mediocrity is getting compared to, like, Peter Forsberg and Joe Sakic then here's this guy getting "COMPARABLE: COLBY ARMSTRONG"
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pseudodragon posted:At the near top of the draft where Kane was, Strome > Marner seems pretty dumb now. I donno , checking stats, it looks like Strome has made it farther in the playoffs than Mitch has so far.
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BSH has made the ultimate sacrifice for us: they listened to every podcasts of TDA’s podcasts that he did back in 2020: https://www.broadstreethockey.com/post/philadelphia-flyers-every-episode-of-tony-deangelo-podcast-watch-your-tone/   “DeAngelo definitely fancies himself a sportscaster type—which is only inflamed in Episode 2 when Kenny Albert tells him that he and Wayne Gretzky are the athletes he always thought could host a sports talk show” Some random TDA insights: According to his friends, if Tony was mic’d up for a playoff game, they’d have to bleep the whole game Tony throws his clubs when he golfs (no surprise there) Tony does not know what a DeLorean is (kind of surprising) His style is Adidas track suit with white v-neck underneath (I mean, duh, South Philly Italian so…duh) Tony on analytics in hockey: “I don’t think they’re bad by any means. 1) I don’t believe they’re the end-all. You might as well just put robots on the field. 2) I trust a GM, a scout, a department over a computer system. I think the eye test is more important than analytics.” While talking about what sport would you most want to make the winning play of a game 7—buzzer beater, overtime goal, walkoff homerun, or touchdown—Tony picks hockey and says, “Obviously, because when you’re in a position where you may actually have a chance to do it someday, you gotta pick it.” I have some unfortunate news for him: he’s on the Philadelphia Flyers, so it might be quite a while, if ever, before he’s in that position. Tony’s picks for the best sports movies are Miracle (2004) at no. 1 and Beer League (2006) at no. 2. He’d let Mike Tyson punch him in the face for a million dollars (he does not bring up that his salary is more than that). His favorite player ever is Chris Pronger.
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:Cole Caufield being the latest sterling example of that I bet there's at least one exec or GM who wouldn't pick Bedard #1 because he's small, these guys are dumbasses
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2011 was maybe the worst Leafs draft in recent memory. They went way off the board to select Tyler Biggs, a guy who had no business being drafted in the first round. Then they traded their 30th and 39th pick to draft 25th and get Stuart Percy. Anaheim took those picks and got Rakell and Gibson.
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Yes Tony D has a point, if you're going to commit the sin of statistical analysis you might as well go all the way and build robots to play field hockey.
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eXXon posted:Yes Tony D has a point, if you're going to commit the sin of statistical analysis you might as well go all the way and build robots to play field hockey. But giiiirls play field hockey…oh. I think I get why he’s upset now.
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Duckman2008 posted:BSH has made the ultimate sacrifice for us: they listened to every podcasts of TDA’s podcasts that he did back in 2020: You didn’t post the absolute highlight of the entire article: DeAngelo picked John Tortorella for the 2020 Jack Adams Award, noting that he is “the only Italian coach in the league.”
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mentholmoose posted:You didn’t post the absolute highlight of the entire article: Italians do it better
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Blackbelt Bobman posted:KanJam was invented in Buffalo so I am extremely down with this idea. Update on my Toxx: I’m gonna donate $100 when I get paid on Friday.
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mentholmoose posted:You didn’t post the absolute highlight of the entire article: He's not even being racist right. Tocchet was still Coyotes coach in 2020.
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lol Arizona lawmaker wants investigation into Tempe's election for Coyotes arena https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.12...c3-c2f3043d549a quote:A Republican lawmaker is asking Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes to determine whether Tempe violated the state's constitution in how it's holding a special election to build a new entertainment complex for the Arizona Coyotes. This poo poo is never going to end
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https://twitter.com/CBCScott/status/1650924970476707847 Guess they are not going to be moving to Kelowna.
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:https://twitter.com/CBCScott/status/1650924970476707847 Lol what a surprise after Smith's polling showed she was flagging in Calgary. I bet the Province is picking up all the overruns.
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Misanthrope posted:I'm sure the people of Edmonton are thrilled to help pay for both arenas. They set the absolute worst precedent by allowing Katz to just take whatever he wanted from public coffers to build his arena after he got Wayne to hold a fake rear end relocation meeting in Seattle. Every Canadian team is going to expect $600m+ in public funding for a new corporate sponsor box only arena in the next decade. Beyond the fact that a single public penny should never go into a professional sports arena, I have little sympathy for the idiots in Edmonton.
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It’s gonna own when some 1% rear end in a top hat has $1bil pocket cash to buy the Ottawa Senators this summer but suddenly needs $600mil from taxpayers to finally build that stadium downtown for da fans 3 years down the road Oh well, at least taxpayers will reap the benefits of this state of the art facility
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https://twitter.com/jkamckenzie/status/1650978181606694914 $550M from the city, $330M from CSEC and $300M from the province... this time for sure now.
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