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jokes posted:A stands for "advance" Sony's Teiyu Goto posted:Other game companies at the time assigned alphabet letters or colors to the buttons. We wanted something simple to remember, which is why we went with icons or symbols, and I came up with the triangle-circle-X-square combination immediately afterward. I gave each symbol a meaning and a color. The triangle refers to viewpoint; I had it represent one’s head or direction and made it green. Square refers to a piece of paper; I had it represent menus or documents and made it pink. The circle and X represent ‘yes’ or ‘no’ decision-making and I made them red and blue respectively. People thought those colors were mixed up, and I had to reinforce to management that that’s what I wanted.
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If Circle was supposed to be accept it should have been green and X should have been red for cancel.
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Question Mark Mound posted:I like that the Playstation buttons were explicitly designed to have meaning and basically nobody ever followed the scheme. If I understand correctly the design has red=yes, blue=no? Yeah, good luck with that. And apart from branding or targeting pre-reading kids, triangle/square isn't particularly more memorable than A/B, just longer to pronounce. Just like select/start are a lot easier to refer to as opposed to uh, that square/square button thing which is in the same place as the old start button. Unless I'm confusing it with the triple line one.
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Apr 26, 2023 09:37
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The square square button is on the select side, start is the hamburger button
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Apr 26, 2023 09:49
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sigher posted:If Circle was supposed to be accept it should have been green and X should have been red for cancel. Well, it should have been a checkmark, duh.
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Apr 26, 2023 09:59
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the only button labels that have ever stuck for me are the playstation ones, gently caress letters
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Apr 26, 2023 10:04
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sigher posted:If Circle was supposed to be accept it should have been green and X should have been red for cancel. Also each of the symbols use a different amount of lines to draw, which I like as an extra touch. Circle 1, cross 2, triangle 3, square 4. Question Mark Mound fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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Apr 26, 2023 10:29
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Cursed.
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Hopper posted:Well, it should have been a checkmark, duh. I was extremely confused the first time I got a computer pop-up where I could pick 'X' or '✓' as the only responses. My cultural understanding for both was "error". I had no clue which was intended as yes and which as no, I just had to guess. I have since learned that in Anglophone countries you do weird things like use checkmarks to mark correct answers in exams, rather than mistakes. Finding an unambiguous set of symbols for a global audience is hard to impossible. I like the Playstation ones because at least they don't tie themselves to something with as much baggage as an alphabet, but as the circle-cross split indicates that doesn't make them universal. Even the controls make assumptions: there might be an isolated tribe of hardcore Tzeltal gamers confused that up/down are so often character relative forward/back in situations where uphill/downhill would be natural.
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Question Mark Mound posted:It’s a Japan thing. A red circle is the sign for “yes” and a blue cross for “no” so in the local market it made perfect sense. A clear condemnation of Scottish independence from Japan.
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Yeah, around here we used to use % for correct and ✓ for incorrect, although I think they've been getting pushed out because ~American cultural imperialism~. Circle for yes and cross for no make as much sense to me as using a checkmark for correct. Funnily enough, Japan also uses the triangle to mark "almost correct", which might or might not have something to do with the PS controller layout.
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I can't tell if you're all trolling or if there's some internationalization issues on SA and I'm actually seeing different symbols than you're typing. Color-accessibility issues aside, green and red are pretty universal right? Or are there countries where traffic lights have blue and plaid in them?
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no the ✓ is actually used as a wrong mark when checking stuff by hand, probably because doing a full batsu every time is  and a checkmark is kinda half an x?  a ○ means correct/yes. i haven't seen a % used for correct before tho e: there's also the gestures  e2: also, china stock market has red for up because communism goes faster Truga fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Apr 26, 2023 |
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Apr 26, 2023 14:39
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barbecue at the folks posted:Japan also uses the triangle to mark "almost correct", which might or might not have something to do with the PS controller layout.
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the x box controller is the best and the deck was right to copy it. we're still undoing the damage caused by japan's decades-long dominance of video games
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If the Xbox controller was the best it wouldn’t have the left stick in the completely wrong place
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History Comes Inside! posted:If the Xbox controller was the best it wouldn’t have the left stick in the completely wrong place Luckily, it does not
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History Comes Inside! posted:If the Xbox controller was the best it wouldn’t have the left stick in the completely wrong place
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Let's be real here,the Steam Controller is the pinnacle of peripherals
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Xbox is most ergonomically designed but Sony decided ergonomics are less important than symmetry and logic so you strain your left thumb when you play on a playstation before hitting a red button to say 'yes' in America
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Apr 26, 2023 15:13
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Sorry about your hosed up hands that can’t work controllers with the sticks placed correctly
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Jack-Off Lantern posted:Let's be real here,the Steam Controller is the pinnacle of peripherals it was so poo poo they were giving it away to clear the stock
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History Comes Inside! posted:Sorry about your hosed up hands that can’t work controllers with the sticks placed correctly turn on your monitor
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I've never had as many sticks wear out and die so quickly as on dualshocks too. Just real pieces of poo poo I've never had a Steam Controller and I don't want one so I guess it's better than at least one controller lol
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History Comes Inside! posted:Sorry about your hosed up hands that can’t work controllers with the sticks placed correctly I wasn't aware when you hold a controller your left thumb naturally juts out to where Sony placed the left thumbstick but that's not normal my dude They put the D-pad where your left thumb naturally rests because the original design came out when games only had D-pad input so it was ergonomically designed. Sony, of course, refused to change with the times and now their controllers loving suck
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I’ve never had a DualShock go bad in 20 years of Playing Station maybe you should just not break your controllers
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jokes posted:I wasn't aware when you hold a controller your left thumb naturally juts out to where Sony placed the left thumbstick but that's not normal my dude Nah, they're good.
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i've never used sticks on controllers much because they suck, and the dpad is in a more comfortable position on the playstation controller and used more in games i play so
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maybe the sticks just suck on a playstation controller and if you used a good controller you would be a stick man
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How do you play literally any game that isn’t some turn based menu fest released in the last 10-15 years
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History Comes Inside! posted:I’ve never had a DualShock go bad in 20 years of Playing Station maybe you should just not break your controllers  Also the Dualsense is the best controller.
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History Comes Inside! posted:How do you play literally any game that isn’t some turn based menu fest released in the last 10-15 years with a mouse and keyboard like normal people
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Truga posted:with a mouse and keyboard like normal people lol fuckingh nerd
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There are plenty of good games that rely on thumbsticks to play: Doom Halo (all of them, every single one of them) Final Fantasy 14 End of list
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Quantum of Phallus posted:lol fuckingh nerd
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i will never play a real time game on a controller, i just can't i've been playing pc games for 30 years and my hands just can't handle it, i've tried
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Kb+m is for playing Microsoft Excel and nothing else
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no, that's kb only i'm pretty sure
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History Comes Inside! posted:Kb+m is for playing Microsoft Excel and nothing else https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m28jJ7CMp8A It even has ray tracing!
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Truga posted:no, that's kb only i'm pretty sure Not if you’re griefing the teams screen share
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