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Velocity Raptor posted:You can only find the fast travel consumable. (I was going back and forth between "find" and "can't even buy" and ended up with something completely wrong) Like, I could see how that might be a viable--if odd--mechanic if implemented in an intentional way. ninjoatse.cx posted:Not remembering the path to the green cumbled wall you saw 4 days ago is pretty common. Doesn't work in Hollow Knight though due to broken map system. Wonder if they'll ever patch that.
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kazil posted:Can't speak for Symphony of the Night but no one thinks Hollowknight is beloved because of it's map traversal systems. Pretty sure when it was released there were a lot of people upset at how easy it was to miss the map guy, at least.
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ExcessBLarg! posted:Doesn't work in Hollow Knight though due to broken map system. Wonder if they'll ever patch that.
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generally in most competently designed metroidvanias you can look at the map and see big blank spots on the map and look around the rooms bordering it, and it's relatively obvious which rooms have exits you haven't taken yet. not sure how that game handles it or if it just doesn't work well that way
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ninjoatse.cx posted:...have you tried playing some of the larger metroidvanias without a guide? Or are you marathoning them in 12 hour sprints? Can't speak for anyone else, and not saying that what you're describing isn't an issue for people, but I've always just checked the map when I wasn't sure where to go and tried to find doors I hadn't gone through. But I've got terrible memory for details anyway, so I often forget that the key item I picked up would help me get past a notable landmark.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:...have you tried playing some of the larger metroidvanias without a guide? Or are you marathoning them in 12 hour sprints? I take notes while I play games.
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It can work if they color code the map by what ability is blocking a particular path. Something I played recentlyish did that, maybe Ender Lilies? But a huge area with no map cues and limited fast travel sounds no fun. Super Metroid et al make it work by having small maps, well designed levels, shortcuts that point you in the right direction, etc so it’s definitely possible.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:generally in most competently designed metroidvanias you can look at the map and see big blank spots on the map and look around the rooms bordering it, and it's relatively obvious which rooms have exits you haven't taken yet. not sure how that game handles it or if it just doesn't work well that way Yeah, even if you don't know why you should go somewhere, you still know that it's the right place to go.
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IMO, the obtuse mapping and fast travel systems in Hollow Knight only work because they nearly perfected every other part of the game. Aimlessly wandering in HK is it's own experience because of the tight controls, inspired art design, and incredible soundtrack. I can easily see how the same systems in a less well designed game would sour the experience.
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you're all starting to make me hate hollow knight. i hope silksong FLOPS!!!!
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Volte posted:What broken map system?
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I like Hollow Knight a lot and it's one of my favorite games but I also really hate things like having to use a badge to see where you are on the map. It doesn't add anything at all to the game for me and I do not have great spatial awareness so I was essentially down a badge slot the whole game. I still beat everything including the DLC just fine and it wasn't the biggest issue but I don't think it was a good design decision. Finding a dude to fill in the map was fine because he was pretty noisy and left stuff lying around where he was.
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Mr E posted:I like Hollow Knight a lot and it's one of my favorite games but I also really hate things like having to use a badge to see where you are on the map. It doesn't add anything at all to the game for me and I do not have great spatial awareness so I was essentially down a badge slot the whole game. Mr E posted:Finding a dude to fill in the map was fine because he was pretty noisy and left stuff lying around where he was.
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ExcessBLarg! posted:There's lots of dumb things about Hollow Knight's map system, but the particularly annoying one is where it doesn't update the map until you rest at a bench. So the approach I described above that I used to play every other Metroidvania doesn't work the first (or sometimes second, depending if you found Cornier) time you explore an area. thats not broken. thats just designed in a way you dont like. its deliberate
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drat that would be embarrassing if they'd said it was broken
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Nefarious 2.0 posted:drat that would be embarrassing if they'd said it was broken ExcessBLarg! posted:
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RBA Starblade posted:The Flash player getting deprecated really hit Silksong hard gottem
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:thats not broken. thats just designed in a way you dont like. its deliberate
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 i guess jedi survivor is pretty decent then. highest OC score for a non-remake AAA game this year. pc gamer mentions poor performance so, once again, respawn hosed up there
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The 7th Guest posted:
I just expect every AAA game to have garbage performance for the first 1-3 months now. Makes me feel better about waiting to buy games.
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Klepek has something up for Vice that talks a little about the game but more about the weird state of games criticism: https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkapyz/star-wars-jedi-survivor-reviewquote:What to make of 10 hours with a video game that had performance issues, only to have many of those issues disappear right before release?
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Anno posted:Klepek has something up for Vice that talks a little about the game but more about the weird state of games criticism: https://www.vice.com/en/article/pkapyz/star-wars-jedi-survivor-review but i also agree with jeff gerstmann's take that the best thing to do is to review post-launch. but that's not number go up analytics CPM e: another indie banger on the way  hardcore gamer: 
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New Oregon Trail DLC just hit. https://store.steampowered.com/app/2316610/The_Oregon_Trail__Cowboys_and_Critters_DLC/
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Does Jedi Survivor still take like 150 gb to install because goddamn.
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Hah, was just going to ask if anyone has tried Cassette Beasts yet.
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The Pirate Captain posted:It can work if they color code the map by what ability is blocking a particular path Guacamelee does that and it's great. But then, Guacamelee is great in general.
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Silksong will be good but will it be as good as reading overly dramatic posts hand-wringing about Team Cherry's radio silence?
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Bad Seafood posted:Silksong will be good but will it be as good as reading overly dramatic posts hand-wringing about Team Cherry's radio silence?
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funkmeister posted:Hah, was just going to ask if anyone has tried Cassette Beasts yet. i've played an hour and it seems like they've done some smart poo poo mechanically and the vibes are on point loving this so far. will see how it continues.
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Owl Inspector posted:Metroidvania Afterimage is out now, had an eye on this one for a bit so I hope it's good. Reviews are currently 71% positive. There's a...busy-ness to some of its character design that doesn't seem to scale well with the camera pulled so far back? My eyes kinda glaze over the character models in motion.
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Mordja posted:New Oregon Trail DLC just hit. quote:NEW QUEST—FORLORN HOPE That's certainly an exciting new way to lose at Oregon Trail
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ninjoatse.cx posted:...have you tried playing some of the larger metroidvanias without a guide? Or are you marathoning them in 12 hour sprints? Agreed. Super Metroid could get away with only having indirect pathing because the game map is ultimately small enough that if you do get lost, you'll still find the right spot soon enough by just randomly wandering around. That becomes a rougher ask as the map size increases.
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People complained about the fast travel in Hollow Knight, especially some areas being too far from stag stations. The devs added at least one extra stag station to the Ancient Basin to make it a bit better. They also introduced the Dream Nail teleportation in a patch.
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GrandpaPants posted:Does Jedi Survivor still take like 150 gb to install because goddamn. Yep, I preloaded it and it took a while lol
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Just got Shadows of Doubt to give it a whirl, tried to escape from an apartment I'd broken into during the tutorial and got lost in the vents, I found an exit but it was too high to get back into, and then I was stuck in a bedroom with both tenants home in the other room between me and the door. Had to punch my way out and leg it, I don't know how long I can stay interested with procgen content but so far it's fun
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I normally hate procgen but I could see myself really getting into Shadows of Doubt. It feels less like a traditional detective story game and more like a ridiculously elaborate sudoku or something. Start with a small number of knowns, a huge number of unknowns, and a number of techniques to fill in the blanks. So far I've only done the pre-set starting mission but I enjoyed it. I did find a bug where I sat down on a bench outside a perp's apartment to wait for them to leave and when I tried to stand up, I clipped into the apartment behind me and got stuck in there while trespassing. Save often folks.
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